how many years it took to build tejas?? lets settle the issue once for all

[foxbat]

It seems you know more then us about Block II JF-17.
Please enlighten us in the appropriate thread

Tell that to the jello troll who brought the evergreen source of Pakistani obsession - The JF 17 into an LCA thread..

 

[Jungibaaz]

Tell that to the jello troll who brought the evergreen source of Pakistani obsession - The JF 17 into an LCA thread..

I'm not responsible for other Pakistani members.
I don't agree with his comment... both it's place in this thread is incorrect and it's content.

 

[OrionHunter]

You've forgotten to add:

2467 - First Tejas enters squadron service.

Ooops! I'm trolling for sure, but I couldn't help it! Jeeez! Mods please delete this post of mine. It sucks!

 

[jagjitnatt]

So can any knowledged person please tell us about the weapon package of Tejas ? What sort of radar it has ?

If I am not wrong, it is the lightest fighter in the world and can be used effectively as Interceptors in High altitude areas in tandem with arrays of area defense systems like Akash.

ELTA 2032 radar with Derby, R73, and Astra missiles.

 

[timetravel]

I think comparison of LCA mk1 with J-11b will be more fair. Indian air force is using in LCA mk 1 the best of the technologies from around the world. Whereas J-11b mostly is using the low quality(as compared to India and west) equipments. I would be surprised and shocked if LCA mk1 is not better then J-11b. I mean I know LCA is India's first aircraft being designed, and for China JF-17 is first and J-10 and J-11 are later ones. But it doesnt mean that India's first has to be compared to CHina's first only. Logically that is not a necessity or something ordained by God. China doesnt have any support from anyone in technology and their own tech is bad. So obviosuly India's first fighter LCA mk1 will be more superior to J-11b.

Also China loves numbering game like they keep on giving new numbers to planes regularly. Like J-10, J-11, J-15 etc etc. It is just to give impression to others that new number means more advanced, which is not the case. But in reality these are just designations to fool the public but there is not much improvement in the plane. The new number is given just to compare the new number plane with some super tech plane from the west or boast that the new plane is better then some western plane. But this numbering is just evewash reallly.

 

[Hulk]

This thread will head no where, people who believe in facts anyways no it, for others no amount of facts can stop their trolling.

 

[timetravel]

it is similar to Arihant nuclear Sub. Even though it is India's first sub all Indians wil agree that it is better then any sub with China. Similarly just because China is making j-10 and j-11 as its 3/4 attempt doesnt mean that LCA mk1 shoudnt be better then J-10/J-11 etc.

Like Arihant being better then anything Chinese sub. LCA mk-1 will be better then anything China has and LCA - mk2 will be better then J-20.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Good, LCA MK2 should be similar to JF-17 Block 1 when LCA comes out in 2017 and by then JF-17 should have 3 Blocks.

If you want to know about JF-17, look at the second to last post on Page 1.

Wrong, Chinese have already inducted JF-17 in their airforce, please check up on your facts and do change your mindset from 2008.

I don't know where this idea of an invicable JF-17 has come from, the JF-17 was never intended to be an advanced multi-role fighter purely a cheap and effective a/c for AFs with less $ to buy in large numbers. Whereas the LCA was intended to be an advanced multi-role 4.5 gen fighter which is far more advanced (in terms of technology) than the Thunder, many analysts (Chinese and Pakistani) have conceded this but this isn't the fault of the JF-17 as it fills the void it was intended to, somehow though certain members have got it in their heads the JF-17 is the best thing since sliced bread purely because it is (sort of) made with help from Pakistan.


Livefist: "JF-17 Not As Advanced As LCA, But It Can Drop Bombs": Nawaz Sharif

 

[DARKY]

Excuse me but... who the f*ck are you?

77 posts in and you seem to know me.
And yes, that's right... you don't know much about JF-17 Block II, or Block I for that matter. So kindly, don't post about sh*t you don't know about...

The height of stupidity of some people.... accusing others of being fanboys, while posting BS and openly admitting to not knowing enough about what they are posting.



Really? and why is that... do you know anything about KLJ-7v2 or NRIET AESA?
No-one on this forum, not even some of the knowledgeable insiders are 100% sure about the block II.
I wont say either way, LCA Mk2 and JF-17 Block II are not here yet and the specs aren't here for us to compare.

For fresh meat such as yourself to show up, and admitting to not knowing enough and then jumping to such conclusions is wrong

Why so much jumping with the "fan boy" issue ?.... are you a professional ?... blabbering about a random whom you don't even know... have some respect for fellow person... He could be a more qualified and knowledgeable person than you claim to be or are in reality...

What do you know about KLJ-7 radar ?.... what is the power rating ?.. the gain of antenna ?... or the min. signal it can detect ?.. envelop hopping agility ?....care to answer one of the question mark before becoming the self claimed expert.

 

[Killswitch]

The LCA was supposed to replace the Mig 21, and create a technology base for Indian made fighters and all major subsystems.

It has failed badly in replacing the Mig 21:

Scores of crashes while waiting

Mig 21 upgrade needed

MMRCA needed to replace mig 21 instead


It has also failed (so far) on the technology front:

Kaveri does not meet requirements (French help is needed)

No Indian made radar that meets requirements (required joint venture with Israel)


The LCA is too little too late. HAL should build more MKI's, and more Rafales. After the Mig 21 and MIrage 2000 crashes I no longer believe in single engine planes as well. Hopefully the MCA can be built with 2 upgraded kaveri's, and an Indian AESA radar.

 

[timetravel]

The LCA was supposed to replace the Mig 21, and create a technology base for Indian made fighters and all major subsystems.

It has failed badly in replacing the Mig 21:

Scores of crashes while waiting

Mig 21 upgrade needed

MMRCA needed to replace mig 21 instead


It has also failed (so far) on the technology front:

Kaveri does not meet requirements (French help is needed)

No Indian made radar that meets requirements (required joint venture with Israel)


The LCA is too little too late. HAL should build more MKI's, and more Rafales. After the Mig 21 and MIrage 2000 crashes I no longer believe in single engine planes as well. Hopefully the MCA can be built with 2 upgraded kaveri's, and an Indian AESA radar.

so its the failure of mig-21 and not LCA.

taking help doesnt make the Radar or engine bad. Infact ensures world class stuff. Collaboration is better then banging ur head alone. LCA mk 1 will be better then J-10, J-11b etc. So it is not a failure. Rather India is incorporating the best in the world in this fighter. Mk-2 will be a new game altogether.

 

[Emmie]

I think comparison of LCA mk1 with J-11b will be more fair. Indian air force is using in LCA mk 1 the best of the technologies from around the world. Whereas J-11b mostly is using the low quality(as compared to India and west) equipments. I would be surprised and shocked if LCA mk1 is not better then J-11b. I mean I know LCA is India's first aircraft being designed, and for China JF-17 is first and J-10 and J-11 are later ones. But it doesnt mean that India's first has to be compared to CHina's first only. Logically that is not a necessity or something ordained by God. China doesnt have any support from anyone in technology and their own tech is bad. So obviosuly India's first fighter LCA mk1 will be more superior to J-11b.

Also China loves numbering game like they keep on giving new numbers to planes regularly. Like J-10, J-11, J-15 etc etc. It is just to give impression to others that new number means more advanced, which is not the case. But in reality these are just designations to fool the public but there is not much improvement in the plane. The new number is given just to compare the new number plane with some super tech plane from the west or boast that the new plane is better then some western plane. But this numbering is just evewash reallly.

 

[Emmie]

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Livefist: "JF-17 Not As Advanced As LCA, But It Can Drop Bombs": Nawaz Sharif

Hahahha... Are you serious?

 

[Jungibaaz]

Why so much jumping with the "fan boy" issue ?.... are you a professional ?... blabbering about a random whom you don't even know... have some respect for fellow person... He could be a more qualified and knowledgeable person than you claim to be or are in reality...

Same can be applied to him no? Does this guy know me? Has he debated with me, what justifies the fan boy tag?
He could a more qualified or knowledgeable person sure.... He could... but it's rather foolish to come to such a conclusion without knowing a damn thing about what he's talking about.

He posted a conclusion over thin air... then went and admitted that he doesn't know much about it and he has the nerve to call others fanboys.

What do you know about KLJ-7 radar ?.... what is the power rating ?.. the gain of antenna ?... or the min. signal it can detect ?.. envelop hopping agility ?....care to answer one of the question mark before becoming the self claimed expert.

Never claimed to be an expert, only said that the guy was foolish in coming to such a conclusion without knowing a damn thing about the JF-17.

In all honesty, I only know for sure out of those parameters that the power output is 550W.
I don't have the information available to comment on the rest.

But since you've challenged me, why not provide those specs? Also system bandwidth, PRF, scan rate, Antenna beam width as well as gain and Receiver Noise Figure.

 

[DARKY]

Same can be applied to him no? Does this guy know me? Has he debated with me, what justifies the fan boy tag?
He could a more qualified or knowledgeable person sure.... He could... but it's rather foolish to come to such a conclusion without knowing a damn thing about what he's talking about.

He posted a conclusion over thin air... then went and admitted that he doesn't know much about it and he has the nerve to call others fanboys.

We Generally are fan-boys else we would be working with the machine itself.. not sitting in front of internet.. he used the term as general for all those who have just speculated JF-17 Blk II and backed it by saying it as Insider news... in a few moths every thing would be clear as the 1st PT appears.

Never claimed to be an expert, only said that the guy was foolish in coming to such a conclusion without knowing a damn thing about the JF-17.

In all honesty, I only know for sure out of those parameters that the power output is 550W.
I don't have the information available to comment on the rest.

But since you've challenged me, why not provide those specs? Also system bandwidth, PRF, scan rate, Antenna beam width as well as gain and Receiver Noise Figure.

Good that you don't claim to be one... modest on your part.
You can calculated the product of rest If you know the Range graph... thats with the basic radar equation.
Scan rate depends upon the steering of the hydraulics attached with your antenna.
Beam width follows the inverse square law with the aperture size.
Noise figure would be around 6-9dB if the radar is any where near to what has been claimed here.