How ‘Islamist’ is the AKP?

[avrasya]

Why some guys dont use their brains and dont ask himself what he is doing in America? I mean America is the biggest enemy of islam but somehow gulen can stay there and get money support.

I placing facts that akp has relationship with c.f.r but people dont know even what c.f.r means and starting to attack me that i lie.

Because political atmosphere in Turkey is not suitable for him to come.

Also you should learn first difference between america and USA. Then we can talk about what c.f.r. is.

 

[Killuminati]

Because political atmosphere in Turkey is not suitable for him to come.

Also you should learn first difference between america and USA. Then we can talk about what c.f.r. is.

Since 1998 still not suitable?? AKP does what they want. Arresting more than hundreds of commanders and cant protect gulen?? Hmm maybe when Turkey is devided he come.. and not to Turkey but Great-Israel.

 

[avrasya]

AKP and MHP should form an alliance

MHP has Islamic roots and right wing party. But they are close to secular left wing CHP.

AKP has enough power. No need to alliance.

 

[Killuminati]

MHP has Islamic roots and right wing party. But they are close to secular left wing CHP.

AKP has enough power. No need to alliance.

We will see in 2011 how they gonna beg.

 

[avrasya]

Since 1998 still not suitable?? AKP does what they want. Arresting more than hundreds of commanders and cant protect gulen?? Hmm maybe when Turkey is devided he come..

I am talking about Political atmosphere. Ergenekon trials havent finished yet. You are talking about safety here.

Also there is no reason for him to stay USA unless there is an obstacle in Turkey prevent him to come.

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We will see in 2011 how they gonna beg.

Yea right. You and people like you saying same thing for every election since 2002.

 

[Jigs]

I cannot believe I am reading about Turks who would openly or discreetly talk down about their national leader

Ataturk was no fan of the Arabs....but there is little proof to show he was necessarily anti-religion.

They pop up every now and then. I think they are seriously confused with exactly what happened towards then end up the ottoman empire and what Ataturk did. They think because he thought logically about Islam and not one of those imams that fills stadiums he was anti-religion. These new influx of Turks to these forums are bringing some very interesting characters.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

whhy do u say

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

MHP has Islamic roots and right wing party. But they are close to secular left wing CHP.

i think only recently MHP has been aiming for the Islamist votes.....

it's primarily been a Pan-Turkish Turanian nationalist movement. I know their activists did some very bad things --to Alevis in Sivas. But past is past. I had many pro-MHP friends.

Grey Wolves.

AKP has enough power. No need to alliance.

AKP has money and the power; but never hurts to increase their influence, no?


I think AKP and MHP have much more in common than with CHP --which is mostly left-leaning liberal socialists

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Jigs, you are truly confused. Stadiums, imams, what the heck are you talking about?

The reason people dislike M. Kemal is because the CHP and former governments have excluded the islamic population and kurdish population from the rest of the of the population. This is a reality that cannot be denied.

Of course you have people like Killuminati that cant differentiate a stick from a ball. But then you have the rest of us, who is able to think critically and question persons like M. Kemal and the likes of him.

If you wanna perform an in-depth analysis of why people like me exist, why dont you for one damn second examine the reasons?

As to me. I have never been to the "stadiums" (i know you relate them to IGMG), neither are my parents supporting them.

You know the only reason people like me pop us, is because we can actually think. Contrary to you, who like to divide people up in groups, like nurcu, IGMG, kurds, turks etc.

That is the core of the problem, an utterly nationalistic country that cant even tolerate people speaking a language that has existed for centuries in that area. Even hearing the word Kurdistan make stghem wanna bomb all the Kurds.

Your time is over mate.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

even Islamists I met in Turkiye would never talk against M Kemal........not due to pressure by Turkishness Laws

but because for anybody to disrespect their own nation founder is (in my opinion) not a real man.......how can anybody do that against their own country?


I ask myself this question too......especially when we have a small number of scum-bags in or outside of our country who have deviated or fail to adhere to principles and aspirations of our own father of the nation (Jinnah Saab)

 

[ovarel]

pffff we told about this issue for ten pages and you say "why are you doing this".

sen kimsin ki kimin adam olduğuna karar veriyosun.haddini bil...

 

[TrMhMt]

@Zulkarneyn

Allah senin gibi Kayserilinin belasini versin !! Bir Kayserili olarak senden resmen utandim ... Ama danimarkada yasayip buyup oradan ahkam kesmek kolay !!!

Ben anneden taraf kurdum !! dedelerim ermeni mezaliminden kacip gelmisler sen onlarida soykirimci yaparsin yarin...

Sen kendine Turkum falan deme senin gibi Turk olmaz olsun !!! Sen resmen danimarkalilasmisin ... Yarin birgun danimarkada da Turkiye aleyhine ermenilerle bir olup calisirsin !! Senin gibilerinin orneklerini hergun goruyoruz ...

Birde cikmis dinden imandan fetva veriyorsun !! degit ozaman laik danirmarkadan dinsiz danimarkadan Muhammede kufreden danimarkadan Iranda, sudi arabistanda yasa hiyar ... Onu bunu dinsizlike suclayarak oradan buradan duydugun iftiralara ortak olarak kenidni dindarmi zannediyorsun ? Islam senin gibilere kaldiysa vey benim Islamimin haline !!!

Chp'ninde chp'lininde senin gibi Akp ve akp'lininde allah belasini vesin !! bu ulkeyi bolmekten baska ne yaptiniz ?

 

[Zulkarneyn]

What does it even have to do with where from turkey i originate? Cant you people discuss about a sucject without constantly disrupting it with nonsense input?

You really need to learn how people should behave to each other. With this atmosphere nothing will ever be discussed properly.

I concern for Kruds becauseit is a real problem in Turkey. It is not something i come up with. If there is a rpoblem you wont try to cure it by curing the symptoms. As in medicine, you will try to find the roots of the problem and go from there.

The symptoms are pretty clear for me, concerning teh Kurdish problem in Turkey. We have ignored tehir rights for decades and they dont feel as part of teh country, because of injustice we have done against them.

If you divide people up in groups, like Kurds Turks etc. You will get nowhere. In modern societies we grant rights to people and we respect their religion, cultures, tradtions EVEN their language.

If you cant even tolerate the Kurdish language, than you are a racist. And politics according to this form of ideoligiy are divided up in prejudiced relations.

 

[TrMhMt]

Bilader senin beyninle sorunun mu var?

Bak ben ne diyorum ? Ben yari KURDUM !! Kimse bu gune kadar lan sen kurtsun pislik defol demedi ... Okulda okudum uni.de bitirdim... Secme hakkim var secilme hakkim var evde annem demlerle kurtce konusur akrabalrimiz geldiklerinde kurtce konusur lan biz daha bir gun komsularimizdan sikayet almadik !!

26 sene Kayseri Kocasinanda yasadim kimse bizi ayirmadi herkez tarafindan sevilen insanlariz !! Ne sorunu ne kisitlamasi? Turgut ozal kurttu Malatyada dedemin kapi komsulariymis annem Malatya dogumlu lan adam Basbakan oldu Cumhurbaskani oldu daha ne hakkimiz verilmemis ??

Yeter lan artik bizi ayrilikci ermeni tohumu yari kurt yari ermenilerle bir tutmayin artik !! Biz Turk vatandasligini sindirmis vatandaslariz yeter artik bizi ayristirdiginiz !! Onlarin yuzunden kurdum demeye utaniyorum ... Lanet olsun senin gibilere lanet olsun benim ulkemi kardesi kardese kirdirip bolmeye calisana !!

 

[TrMhMt]

Bilader senin beyninle sorunun mu var?

Bak ben ne diyorum ? Ben yari KURDUM !! Kimse bu gune kadar lan sen kurtsun pislik defol demedi ... Okulda okudum uni.de bitirdim... Secme hakkim var secilme hakkim var evde annem demlerle kurtce konusur akrabalrimiz geldiklerinde kurtce konusur lan biz daha bir gun komsularimizdan sikayet almadik !!

26 sene Kayseri Kocasinanda yasadim kimse bizi ayirmadi herkez tarafindan sevilen insanlariz !! Ne sorunu ne kisitlamasi? Turgut ozal kurttu Malatyada dedemin kapi komsulariymis annem Malatya dogumlu lan adam Basbakan oldu Cumhurbaskani oldu daha ne hakkimiz verilmemis ??

Yeter lan artik bizi ayrilikci ermeni tohumu yari kurt yari ermenilerle bir tutmayin artik !! Biz Turk vatandasligini sindirmis vatandaslariz yeter artik bizi ayristirdiginiz !! Onlarin yuzunden kurdum demeye utaniyorum ... Lanet olsun senin gibilere lanet olsun benim ulkemi kardesi kardese kirdirip bolmeye calisana !!