Perhaps in the future but given the immediacy of India's requirements for subs and that the Scorpene production line is already uprunning in India it makes a lot of sense to go for more Scorpenes. It is about bolstering numbers at this point.
kohinoor is not coming back and we don't need that worthless piece of rock anymore. What we need is for them to don't look down on us heathens. We might gift them few more fcuking rocks ... all they need to do is get out of that British Raj mentality.
Just a day or 2 back I had posted that why shortfin barracuda is not offered to us but to Australia..the dcns sea 1000 brochure talks about "crown" jewels not offered to anyone at all but now to Australia.. I can tell you I was unhappy personally that such a offer was not made but then I don't know officially it was made or not..@Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA @ranjeet @gslv mk3
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My friends,i wonder why India isn't looking after a more modern and stealth submarine such as the SMX-Océan (Literally a conventional version of our future Baracuda submarines) ?
France is offering Australia full transfer of stealth technology and local employment.
Maybe in the future,India could consider it ?
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DCNS UNVEILS SMX®-OCÉAN, A NEW BLUE-WATER SSK WITH EXPANDED CAPABILITIES
At Euronaval 2014, DCNS is unveiling the SMX®-Océan conventionally powered attack submarine. The new vessel draws extensively on the design of a state-of-the-art nuclear- powered submarine, with a number of key innovations that give this diesel-electric adaptation truly outstanding performance.
A world leader in naval defence and an innovator in energy, the DCNS Group and its 13,600 employees are committed to applying their advanced know-how to help keep the oceans safe and secure. The Group’s internationally acclaimed expertise is perfectly illustrated by the SMX®-Océan project.
Exceptional performance
This innovative concept ship promises submerged endurance and deployment capabilities that are unprecedented for a conventional-propulsion submarine. With up to three months’ endurance, an SMX®-Océan could cross the Atlantic six times without surfacing. Its transit speed is up to 14 knots.
To achieve this level of performance, DCNS teams have developed and combined a number of innovations including a high-performance air-independent propulsion (AIP) system using second- generation fuel cells for submerged endurance of up to three weeks.
The SMX®-Océan features the same combat system, provisions for special forces’ missions, masts and general layout as the Barracuda SSN.
4D firepower: effective against underwater, surface, land and air threats
With a total of 34 weapons including torpedoes, mines, anti-ship missiles, cruise missiles and anti-air missiles, the SMX®-Océan’s firepower will be unprecedented for an SSK.
The SMX®-Océan concept ship design also includes vertical launchers, another major innovation in SSK design, to provide a salvo capability for cruise missile strikes on land targets.
A reconfigurable multi-role submarine
The SMX®-Ocean offers more multi-role capabilities than any other submarine of its type. It can operate alone or as part of a carrier group or other naval deployment, and will be the only conventionally powered submarine with the ability to deploy special forces, combat swimmers, unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs) and even unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).
Carrier group escort
Equipped with tactical datalinks meeting international standards, the SMX®-Ocean is ideal for carrier group escort roles in support of coalition operations in any theatre of operations.
Technical data
Length: 100 m
Height: 15.5 m
Beam: 8.8 m
Surface displacement: 4,750 t
Maximum diving depth: 350 m
Maximum speed, submerged: 20 kts
DCNS unveils SMX®-Océan, a new blue-water SSK with expanded capabilities | DCNS Group
This is private investment, we are talking about govt-govt deals/relations and strategic ties I thought.
"Trumped" in the sense of the Indian market- the Rafale has been selected by them. And, with exports to Egypt, Qatar and others on the cards (Malysia, UAE, Canada etc)I wouldn't close the book just yet, there are more chapters to be written.
Airbus is French by most definitions- something like 80% French owned, the head-office and design center are in Toulouse, as well as production lines for all widebodies and the A320 etc
Like I said- "The French defence industry's capabilties are just that bit more relevent to India."
I am speaking generally judging by where we stand today and I can't say I share your optimism about the Type 26's future, not with our own Govt cutting orders for it and no export cutomers being forthcoming as of now.Lastly, i don't even understand how you can say our type 26 global combat ship is no competition for France's FREMM. . Anyway, our type 26 is a new warship whose designs has been finalized and will begin construction next year. It's not even operational yet and you are already saying its no match for the FREMM?? lol For your infos Germany, Australia and Canada are already looking to either purchase it or buy the designs for their own ships even though we haven't even built it yet. I'm 100% sure it will beat almost all its competitors(bar a few) when it becomes fully operation by 2020. So chill dude.
BAE Sees Interest for Type 26 Frigate in Canada, Australia, Germany - ADVFN
BAE Shops Type 26 Ship Design to Germany
Britain's Type 26 Frigate Vs. America's New Frigate: Who Wins? -- The Motley Fool
Again, I am talking specifically about the relevence to the Indian market and beyond the M777, Hawks and a few sub-systems there isn't a particuarly huge scope for BAE in the Indian market at least not of the same scale as French companies(DCNS, Airbus and Dassualt for example)/products.Plus BAE is a British company with operations worldwide from U.S to Canada to Australia. It just tends to localize its operations in the countries it operates to gain more market share just like all other defence giants do from Boeing to Airbus defence to GE etc. PLUS ITS THE LARGEST DEFENCE CONTRACTOR IN EUROPE(AND SECOND IN THE WORLD) FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
Arguing over a few % here or there is rather meaningless. At the heart of it Airbus is a French controlled entity with most of its employees and facilities located in France. Therefore, as far as strategic ties get closer ties with France and India it will mean more buissness oppurtunites for Airbus in India.
Fair enough but I would point out that no part of the MMRCA selection process was influenced by poltics or political considerations- the 6 bidders were submitted to 600+ technical criteria drawn up by the IAF who conducted all evaluations and trails (both in India and abroad), those who were found complient with the technical criteria were "downselected"- that left the Typhoon and Rafale. Then the sealed bids of these "downselected" birds were opened and the cheapest (Rafale) declared L1 (Typhoon being L2) and commercial negotiations begun with the French- it was only at this point the Civlians in the MoD got involved. At no point was there scope for poltical considerations to be factored in.
Nope, many countries have already shown interests in Type 26 and its designs even before we start building them. Simply because they offer several capabilities many other warships of its class doesn't. So i'm pretty sure we will receive many more orders once they start rolling out of factory. . I can understand your stand towards Britain though(judging by our troubled colonial history/past with India and some of our media news on India. But that's the past and only some naive media in U.K write such childish news about India. So don't take them serious, they do it with many other countries, The average brit has nothing against India or any other country for that matter. We are welcoming towards everybody.
It's your country to be blamed for that...it is still basking in the colonial mindset!! Still feels its the master of past colonies!!French defence giants seem to have taken a major lead over Britain's defence giants in India defence procurement these past years. It shouldn't have been the case, judging by the historical relationship between India and U.K.
In how many forums are you going to post the same pic.Sir, you missed what i wrote in bracket
Per aircraft avg cost inclusive of everything (weapons as a part of total cost of ownership) = $151 Mn or Euro 138.89 Mn
TCO model for rafale is this
So when i am talking average and divide i am including all those components as defined in the pic
