Hollande's visit in India : 2 major deals on the table

[Ankit Kumar]

It won't be cleared until the Italian marines case is withdrawn by India at the least.

Italy wants second marine to return home for duration of arbitration | The Indian Express

May be.
But sir , any reason you use that particular color font?

 

[Pulsar]

Indo-French defence ties have traditionally been good even when their broader bilateral relations were relatively indifferent. Since 1998, the fast evolution from a buyer-seller relationship to a trusted multi-faceted defence cooperation is remarkable.

The success of this association in the field of defence could be used as a lever for boosting other areas of Indo-French bilateral relations which are still dragging. Despite a somewhat indifferent past, defence cooperation between India and France since the establishment of their strategic partnership has proven that while both in need, the two countries have become friends indeed, which have a lot to gain from continuously improving their exchanges in the field of defence.

The near future will be determining for this new-born friendship. The time has come for Indo-French defence cooperation to evolve to real mutual dependence. This will be tested by France’s ability to assist India in the field of defence high technology and in the two countries’ ability to design and develop joint defence projects. The possibilities are numerous but need to be seized if France and India want to become true friends in the field of defence.

 

[HariPrasad]

Additional scorpenes whether 3 or 6 are a welcome change and I support this
I would however also have liked the Rafales orders to be increased to 80 simply because that will allow Airforce to retire the 5 Mig27 Sqds without any repercussions on operational capabilities

I believe that from 3 onward, scorpenes shall be AIP. This will certainly be the A** kickers. Can we put k series and Nirbhay and brahmos on it?

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Don't you think you forgot to mention "Israel" In our all weather friend category...

Secondly I think France more of a Business man then an all weather friend....first scorpene deal prime example of that...

I am sorry but Israel would be the first among our "all-weather" friends to sell India out if it ever suited their own interests better. I am NOT saying that Israel shouldn't look out for its own interests, but generally speaking Israel should be the last country that we put on a pedestal of "all-weather" friends.

Nor does Israel have big enough size economically/militarily to carry out an independent foreign policy(especially of USA), unlike the French.

Yes, both India and Israel share many of the common threats and would benefit immensely by combining forces. But that's really a transactional relationship at best. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Btw, the term "all-weather" friend is really non-existent when it comes to international diplomacy.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Six more in addition to the previous 3 follow-on orders or does this include the 3 follow on orders?

That previous 3 follow on order has been enlarged to SIX

So Total 12 ; six plus six

 

[jamahir]

La visite de François Hollande en Inde prévue fin janvier pourrait être l'occasion de la signature du contrat des 36 Rafale et d'une éventuelle commande de six sous-marins Scorpène supplémentaires.

First,as we all know,Hollande will be the chief guest at India's republic day. The Elysée stated "This invitation reflects the quality and dynamism of the strategic partnership between India and France, which will be further strengthened on this occasion ""

According to latribune.fr,2 major deals should be part of the discussions between Modi and Hollande ;

-Rafale deal (a first order of 36 Rafale)
-6 more scorpène submarines

The Elysée also stated "The visit of Francois Hollande is also in line with the Paris Climate Conference where "India has played a key role for an ambitious agreement,"

It is estimated that the deals could be signed by the end of January.

Rafale, Scorpène : et si l'Inde sortait son chèquier fin janvier
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Now guys we just have to pray,wait and see.

@PARIKRAMA (I really like your avatar BTW ) @Abingdonboy @Aminroop @[Bregs] @litefire @Nilgiri @XiNiX @mpk1988 @sarjenprabhu @ranjeet @SarthakGanguly @Bagha @SrNair @anant_s

he should be arrested by a progressive people's committee for genocide and war crimes in syria and
support for terrorists in libya.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

he should be arrested by a progressive people's committee for genocide and war crimes in syria and
support for terrorists in libya.

Your Party CPM has NOT opposed The visit of Hollande on India's REPUBLIC day

So the question is WHICH PARTY do you belong to : Are you a NAXALITE

 

[jamahir]

Your Party CPM has NOT opposed The visit of Hollande on India's REPUBLIC day

So the question is WHICH PARTY do you belong to : Are you a NAXALITE

will a naxalite be so open on the internet??

as for cpi-m, i am sure they will realize the need for more determined agitations... last year, the main public communist parties were talking of reunification ( after the separation in the 60's )... presently, these groups are agitating against internal problems that were made prominent since may 2014, but they will realize that only a internationalist outlook ( like in the earlier decades ) will allow them to gain power.

 

[Dash]

Well let's just wait for the 36 Rafales deal to be inked my friend

+ yes, 6 Scropenes is GREAT news, earlier reports had been 3, then 4 but 6 is truly awesome and it's quite impressive if the MoD pulls it off and addresses the IN's biggest weak spot (its subs). This deal should kill off the Kilo offer and probably the P-75(I).

I think we are finally seeing a GoI/PMO/MoD that is willing to take advantadge of these juicy govt-govt offers that come up instead of going after long-winded open competitions for every single requirement that take years to materialise. It's rather sickening how many opportunities may have been missed by successive GoIs in the past.

Thats what I always advovcated for in our earlier conversations. This MoD/PMO/GoI group has identified the valunerability in the armed forces and are addressing the things based on priority. I am happy today to see that they cited funds issue for IAF purchases (im sure it will be addressed later) and invested the funds in wise decisions. The S400, new subs, DTTI/pathfinder framework that will give us EMALS (fingures crossed). They reduced the mouontain devision to 60000 from 1 lakh and made them more mechanized and all.

I see a clear road map and one can predict where we are heading. With the new govt I guess the factor "predictability" has gained momentum and will stabilise in future. We are now in a position to "measure" the threats to adress them in a structured way.

I think thats a wonderful way to go..

 

[Stephen Cohen]

will a naxalite be so open on the internet??

as for cpi-m, i am sure they will realize the need for more determined agitations... last year, the main public communist parties were talking of reunification ( after the separation in the 60's )... presently, these groups are agitating against internal problems that were made prominent since may 2014, but they will realize that only a internationalist outlook ( like in the earlier decades ) will allow them to gain power.

You can or may be a Hidden supporter ; ANYWAY forget it

Communists have LOST the favour of the electorate because they believed in ROMANTICISING Poverty

Only NOW with YECHURY as the Chief ; they have begun to make the right noises

Communists must realise that the PRESENT generation is ASPIRATIONAL
It gives a $hit to ideology

And DOWN with USA ; or down with Imperialism are just nostalgic slogans
of an earlier era

Because in Both West Bengal and Kerala there is a large section of population
keen to get on a PLANE to the USA

 

[Ankit Kumar]

My Christmas wish , Mirages for IAF.

 

[jamahir]

You can or may be a Hidden supporter ; ANYWAY forget it

Communists have LOST the favour of the electorate because they believed in ROMANTICISING Poverty

Only NOW with YECHURY as the Chief ; they have begun to make the right noises


Communists must realise that the PRESENT generation is ASPIRATIONAL
It gives a $hit to ideology


And DOWN with USA ; or down with Imperialism are just nostalgic slogans
of an earlier era

Because in Both West Bengal and Kerala there is a large section of population
keen to get on a PLANE to the USA

i will reply to the underlined statement... majority of the present generation are a wasted generation - spending time on college courses, jobs, religion, alcohol, cell phones, costly torn jeans, vid games, noisy motorcycles, kirket, phutball, dogs and so on... they neither bother with removing problems from their own society nor do they bother about world problems.

these people you call aspirational are selfish, frivolous, callous, idiotic, reactionary, isolationist... they don't bother reacting to informations like 200,000 indian farmers having suicided between 1997 and 2010 but will react violently to someone not getting up for the national anthem played at a cinema hall... they defend a unscientific, anti-human and nonsensical political/social/economic system instead of replacing it.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

i will reply to the underlined statement... majority of the present generation are a wasted generation - spending time on college courses, jobs, religion, alcohol, cell phones, costly torn jeans, vid games, noisy motorcycles, kirket, phutball, dogs and so on... they neither bother with removing problems from their own society nor do they bother about world problems.

these people you call aspirational are selfish, frivolous, callous, idiotic, reactionary, isolationist... they don't bother reacting to informations like 200,000 indian farmers having suicided between 1997 and 2010 but will react violently to someone not getting up for the national anthem played at a cinema hall.

@jamahir

Here is an INTERVIEW with SITARAM YECHURY after he became CPM General Secretary

Here he says that CPM has to change with Changing times
AND International ISSUES do not matter to Indian Citizens

And He clearly says that CPM could Not explain OR CONVINCE the People
on the NUCLEAR deal

He also says that CPM has to meet the ASPIRATIONS of the people and not just TALK BIG

See this Interview ; a Bit lengthy ; nearly an Hour ; but GOOD Nevertheless

The PRAKASH KARAT era is OVER for the CPM

BJP in Power Thanks To Congress; No Chance of Allying With Them Again: #TownHallWithYechury

 

[mike2000 is back]

@Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA @ranjeet @gslv mk3
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France is offering Australia full transfer of stealth technology and local employment.
Maybe in the future,India could consider it ?
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I thought barracuda was a nuclear sub? you also got a conventional version Gabriel?

he should be arrested by a progressive people's committee for genocide and war crimes in syria and
support for terrorists in libya.

LOOL Good one the socialist guru Jamahir.

 

[Vergennes]

he should be arrested by a progressive people's committee for genocide and war crimes in syria and
support for terrorists in libya.

I wonder what has Hollande to do with Libya ?
If you talk about Sarkozy,i'd probably agree then.

I thought barracuda was a nuclear sub? you also got a conventional version Gabriel?

It is actually,but to export it we have to make a conventional version. (If we develop,work on conventional submarines,it's only for exports.)
You guys should have done the same,because you will never sell the Astute in the current configuration right ?