History of Vietnam or What do you want to know about Vietnam?

[Grand Historian]

You are stupid historian when you can not understand what is the different thing here.
Mongolian and Manchurian were foreigners, they invaded in to China and ruled Chinese.
Ly, Tran and Ho were Yue people came to Vietnam, they were Vietnamezed after many generations living in Vietnam.

You are stupid historian when you can not understand what is the different thing here.

Mongolian and Manchurian were foreigners, they invaded in to China and ruled Chinese.

Ly, Tran and Ho were Yue people came to Vietnam, they were Vietnamezed after many generations living in Vietnam.

Most important thing for the matter is that they fought against domination or invasion of chinese aggressors in to Vietnam, Tang, Mongolian or Ming aggressors.

Its difference, you are fake little historian.

Seems like I hit a nerve,petty insults won't do anything to help your credibility.

"China" was split in to XiXia,Jin and Song on the eve of the Mongol conquests,Ming had already fallen into shambles before Wu Sangui allowed the Manchus to enter.

Neither one of these conquests would not have been possible without Han Chinese defectors.

Guess what,the Mongols and the Manchus did the exact same thing as the ancestors of the Ly,Tran and Ho they adopted local ways but never forgot their roots.

Ly ancestors came during the end of Western Han to escape the chaos Wang Mang started:

Found in the Dai Viet Su Ky Toan Thu
前李紀
Annals of Former Ly dynasty
帝姓李，諱賁，龍興太平人也。其先北人，
The emperor's surname was Ly his given name Bi from Longxi,Taiping. His ancestor came from the North.
西漢末苦於征伐，避居南土，七世遂爲南人。
At the fall of Western Han under the onus of warfare they sought refuge in the South,After 7 generations they became Southerners.

Tran ancestors came from Fujian and were able to speak Chinese
陳紀
Annals of the Tran dynasty
帝之先世閩人
The Tran emperor's ancestors were from Fujian
A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books
Secondary Cities and Urban Networking in the Indian Ocean Realm, C. 1400-1800 - Google Books

Ho ancestors came from Zhejiang.
Secondary Cities and Urban Networking in the Indian Ocean Realm, C. 1400-1800 - Google Books

Where is the evidence their ancestors are Yue not Han/Hua simply coming from Southern China doesn't make them Yue...

I'm not going to argue whether Yuan was Chinese or not I don't have sufficient information however Qing is viewed themselves as "Chinese" as sought to be sage emperors.

Here is the 1842 treaty of Nanking in Chinese and English notice how the treaty refers to Qing as China and that the Qing called themselves 中國.
南京條約 - 维基文库，自由的图书馆
Treaty of Nanking - Wikisource, the free online library

You do realize that the Manchus called Qing, Dulimbai gurun or Central Country(equivalent to中國) not Manchuria right?

Another definite proof is this Qing era passports.
Read post 27.
Nonexistent "Manchurian Empire" - Page 3 - Historum - History Forums

If you want to use bloodline as a proof that Qing was Manchu you also have to realize that Kangxi,Qianlong and Jiaqing all had "Han" mothers.
Kangxi's mother Tong clan
Qianlong's mother Qian clan
Jiaqing's mother Wei clan

Not to mention many ethnic Han were were bannerman and were free to intermarry between Mongol and Manchu bannerman.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Seems like I hit a nerve,petty insults won't do anything to help your credibility.

"China" was split in to XiXia,Jin and Song on the eve of the Mongol conquests,Ming had already fallen into shambles before Wu Sangui allowed the Manchus to enter.

Neither one of these conquests would not have been possible without Han Chinese defectors.

Guess what,the Mongols and the Manchus did the exact same thing as the ancestors of the Ly,Tran and Ho they adopted local ways but never forgot their roots.

Ly ancestors came during the end of Western Han to escape the chaos Wang Mang started:

Found in the Dai Viet Su Ky Toan Thu
前李紀
Annals of Former Ly dynasty
帝姓李，諱賁，龍興太平人也。其先北人，
The emperor's surname was Ly his given name Bi from Longxi,Taiping. His ancestor came from the North.
西漢末苦於征伐，避居南土，七世遂爲南人。
At the fall of Western Han under the onus of warfare they sought refuge in the South,After 7 generations they became Southerners.

Tran ancestors came from Fujian and were able to speak Chinese
陳紀
Annals of the Tran dynasty
帝之先世閩人
The Tran emperor's ancestors were from Fujian
A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books
Secondary Cities and Urban Networking in the Indian Ocean Realm, C. 1400-1800 - Google Books

Ho ancestors came from Zhejiang.
Secondary Cities and Urban Networking in the Indian Ocean Realm, C. 1400-1800 - Google Books

Where is the evidence their ancestors are Yue not Han/Hua simply coming from Southern China doesn't make them Yue...

I'm not going to argue whether Yuan was Chinese or not I don't have sufficient information however Qing is viewed themselves as "Chinese" as sought to be sage emperors.

Here is the 1842 treaty of Nanking in Chinese and English notice how the treaty refers to Qing as China and that the Qing called themselves 中國.
南京條約 - 维基文库，自由的图书馆
Treaty of Nanking - Wikisource, the free online library

You do realize that the Manchus called Qing, Dulimbai gurun or Central Country(equivalent to中國) not Manchuria right?

Another definite proof is this Qing era passports.
Read post 27.
Nonexistent "Manchurian Empire" - Page 3 - Historum - History Forums

If you want to use bloodline as a proof that Qing was Manchu you also have to realize that Kangxi,Qianlong and Jiaqing all had "Han" mothers.
Kangxi's mother Tong clan
Qianlong's mother Qian clan
Jiaqing's mother Wei clan

Not to mention many ethnic Han were were bannerman and were free to intermarry between Mongol and Manchu bannerman.

I have read from Chinese classical text that during the early days of Vietnamese secession from China, their elites and emperors were mostly Chinese. In contrary, after Korean break off, their rulers were native Korean.

 

[Rechoice]

Seems like I hit a nerve,petty insults won't do anything to help your credibility.

"China" was split in to XiXia,Jin and Song on the eve of the Mongol conquests,Ming had already fallen into shambles before Wu Sangui allowed the Manchus to enter.

Neither one of these conquests would not have been possible without Han Chinese defectors.

Guess what,the Mongols and the Manchus did the exact same thing as the ancestors of the Ly,Tran and Ho they adopted local ways but never forgot their roots.

Ly ancestors came during the end of Western Han to escape the chaos Wang Mang started:

Found in the Dai Viet Su Ky Toan Thu
前李紀
Annals of Former Ly dynasty
帝姓李，諱賁，龍興太平人也。其先北人，
The emperor's surname was Ly his given name Bi from Longxi,Taiping. His ancestor came from the North.
西漢末苦於征伐，避居南土，七世遂爲南人。
At the fall of Western Han under the onus of warfare they sought refuge in the South,After 7 generations they became Southerners.

Tran ancestors came from Fujian and were able to speak Chinese
陳紀
Annals of the Tran dynasty
帝之先世閩人
The Tran emperor's ancestors were from Fujian
A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books
Secondary Cities and Urban Networking in the Indian Ocean Realm, C. 1400-1800 - Google Books

Ho ancestors came from Zhejiang.
Secondary Cities and Urban Networking in the Indian Ocean Realm, C. 1400-1800 - Google Books

Where is the evidence their ancestors are Yue not Han/Hua simply coming from Southern China doesn't make them Yue...

I'm not going to argue whether Yuan was Chinese or not I don't have sufficient information however Qing is viewed themselves as "Chinese" as sought to be sage emperors.

Here is the 1842 treaty of Nanking in Chinese and English notice how the treaty refers to Qing as China and that the Qing called themselves 中國.
南京條約 - 维基文库，自由的图书馆
Treaty of Nanking - Wikisource, the free online library

You do realize that the Manchus called Qing, Dulimbai gurun or Central Country(equivalent to中國) not Manchuria right?

Another definite proof is this Qing era passports.
Read post 27.
Nonexistent "Manchurian Empire" - Page 3 - Historum - History Forums

If you want to use bloodline as a proof that Qing was Manchu you also have to realize that Kangxi,Qianlong and Jiaqing all had "Han" mothers.
Kangxi's mother Tong clan
Qianlong's mother Qian clan
Jiaqing's mother Wei clan

Not to mention many ethnic Han were were bannerman and were free to intermarry between Mongol and Manchu bannerman.

you are stupid boy and have low IQ scores then you still do not understand what is the differences.

Mongolian and Manchurian were people of independence States outside òf Great Wall, with their own Emperor, their own Armies. They invaded in to China, defeated you and ruled you with force. They were pure Mongolian and Manchurian when they defeated you and ruled you.

Ly, Tran , Ho ancestors escaped from China following turmoils, came to Vietnam from where was native land of Yue people, as refugee. After hundreds years following many generations assimilated by Vietnamese, they were Vietnamized, they became Vietnamese citizens.

They have been fought against invasions of Chinese to defended independence of Vietnam. Its the difference.

Understand fake historian ?

I have read from Chinese classical text that during the early days of Vietnamese secession from China, their elites and emperors were mostly Chinese. In contrary, after Korean break off, their rulers were native Korean.

Chinese have an altitude to lie every thing if they can, like that: Ho Chi Minh is hakka.

 

[yue10]

You are stupid historian when you can not understand what is the different thing here.

Mongolian and Manchurian were foreigners, they invaded in to China and ruled Chinese.

Ly, Tran and Ho were Yue people came to Vietnam, they were Vietnamezed after many generations living in Vietnam.

Most important thing for the matter is that they fought against domination or invasion of chinese aggressors in to Vietnam, Tang, Mongolian or Ming aggressors.

Its difference, you are fake little historian.

Skin color of Sino Khmer Rouge is darker than us. But color is not important, it is problem with your mentality when you go to dead for interest of your master sitting in Peking.

Polpot did not like living in Phnompen, he went to jungle to fight against Vietnamese, late on Vietnam and China shaked hands to normalization the relation. Camrades of Polpot go to jail to answer for his crime against Cambodian and Vietnamese people.

I am the 100% 'Viets blood' ok, I don't know why you kept accuse others as Khmer Rouge race

it seemed your Vietcong mentality forgot that if there are no support from the Annam race mean there was no Khmer Rouge came to power, who sent troop in to back Pol Pot against his amigo Lon Nol? the Annam race always like to played as victim when speak of China but denied their violent crimes against humanity against others like use chemical weapon against poor and innocent Khmer folks

Tran is Minyue not Viets, their clan use tattoo for mark as superiority same as Yue cultures but later stopped, just stop tried to claim everyone as the Viets ok


truth of Viets historian

But it was different with Ngo Si Lien. He was determined to give to Dai Viet the longest past possible. The reason that prompted him to do so was more personal than patriotic, more political than scientific. In 1479, when Le Nhan Tonh was assassinated by his half brother Nghi Dan, and the throne of the Le was usurped by this man, Ngo Si Lien did not mind about his illegitimacy, instead took side with this cruel and lascivious man. Eight months later, Nghi Dan was overthrown. The new emperor, Le Thanh Tong, not only gave pardon to Ngo Si Lien, but also made him official historian. No wonder then that Ngo Si Lien filled with gratitude, tried to find a way to extoll to the utmost his royal benefactor

 

[Viet]

That's why all you people came from North Vietnam.

the Viets started from the North and moved slowly to the South. This "Southern March" took many centuries. When the Ming Dynasty collapsed, many Chinese fled and sought shelter in Vietnam. The emperor of Vietnam allowed them to settle in the new Southern part of the country.

One famous part of the Chinese community is Cho Lon or Great Market in Saigon.

I am the 100% 'Viets blood' ok, I don't know why you kept accuse others as Khmer Rouge race

it seemed your Vietcong mentality forgot that if there are no support from the Annam race mean there was no Khmer Rouge came to power, who sent troop in to back Pol Pot against his amigo Lon Nol? the Annam race always like to played as victim when speak of China but denied their violent crimes against humanity against others like use chemical weapon against poor and innocent Khmer folks

Tran is Minyue not Viets, their clan use tattoo for mark as superiority same as Yue cultures but later stopped, just stop tried to claim everyone as the Viets ok


truth of Viets historian

you are a low IQ idiot and retard!

 

[yue10]

the Viets started from the North and moved slowly to the South. This "Southern March" took many centuries.

you are a low IQ idiot and retard!

there you again with your abusive mentality, what a vicious race

actually the Viets true Mon-Khmer root move North to take over from Tai in Jiaozhi then move South

 

[Lux de Veritas]

you are stupid boy and have low IQ scores then you still do not understand what is the differences.

Mongolian and Manchurian were people of independence States outside òf Great Wall, with their own Emperor, their own Armies. They invaded in to China, defeated you and ruled you with force. They were pure Mongolian and Manchurian when they defeated you and ruled you.

Ly, Tran , Ho ancestors escaped from China following turmoils, came to Vietnam as refeggee. After hundreds years following many generations assimilated by Vietnamese, they were Vietnamized, they became Vietnamese citizens.

They have been fought against invasions of Chinese to defended independence of Vietnam. Its the difference.

Understand fake historian ?



Chinese have an altitude to lie every thing if they can, like that: Ho Chi Minh is hakka.

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How much Vietnamese are really Vietnamese, I am not too sure. I believe many of you are fake. Its not so easy to catch a Chinese once he fake Vietnamese, but its far easier elsewhere in places like Thailand.

Thai kings are all mestizos and well documented, all have Chinese names.

Rama 1 郑华
Rama 2 郑佛
Rama 3 郑福
Rama 4 郑明
Rama 5 郑隆
Rama 6 郑宝
Rama 7 郑光
Rama 8 郑禧
Rama 9 郑固

The first king Rama 1 faked and lied that he was the son of King Taksin, whom he killed. King Taksin is Chinese, and his Chinese name is

郑信 (Tak sin)

郑 is surname.

A lot of Thai are very Chinese. May be there is 0% Chinese inside Vietnamese, who knows.

Remember "The Lover" by Marguerite Duras?

The male protagonist is a Chinese Le Huynh Thuy who managed to fcuk one of the most famous French writer when she was a underage virgin girl at 15 years old.

Chinese make you Vietnamese proud.

 

[INDIC]

Thai kings are all mestizos and well documented, all have Chinese names.

Rama 1 郑华
Rama 2 郑佛
Rama 3 郑福
Rama 4 郑明
Rama 5 郑隆
Rama 6 郑宝
Rama 7 郑光
Rama 8 郑禧
Rama 9 郑固

All these names sound Indians, even the names of Thai Emperors and their queens sound mix of Sanskrit and Thai names, I can even recognize them.

 

[EastSea]

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How much Vietnamese are really Vietnamese, I am not too sure. I believe many of you are fake. Its not so easy to catch a Chinese once he fake Vietnamese, but its far easier elsewhere in places like Thailand.

Thai kings are all mestizos and well documented, all have Chinese names.

Rama 1 郑华
Rama 2 郑佛
Rama 3 郑福
Rama 4 郑明
Rama 5 郑隆
Rama 6 郑宝
Rama 7 郑光
Rama 8 郑禧
Rama 9 郑固

The first king Rama 1 faked and lied that he was the son of King Taksin, whom he killed. King Taksin is Chinese, and his Chinese name is

郑信 (Tak sin)

郑 is surname.

A lot of Thai are very Chinese. May be there is 0% Chinese inside Vietnamese, who knows.

Remember "The Lover" by Marguerite Duras?

The male protagonist is a Chinese Le Huynh Thuy who managed to fcuk one of the most famous French writer when she was a underage virgin girl at 15 years old.

Chinese make you Vietnamese proud.

Mao Zedong is Jew, not Han Chinese. Special Report: The Secret Role of Jews in China.

Jewish Faces in the Chinese Government

What is idiot thing such chinese prostiuate did ? we don't care. How many Chinese women fucked by Mongolian, Manchus and Japanese ? You are proud for that ?

 

[Snomannen]

you are stupid boy and have low IQ scores then you still do not understand what is the differences.

Mongolian and Manchurian were people of independence States outside òf Great Wall, with their own Emperor, their own Armies. They invaded in to China, defeated you and ruled you with force. They were pure Mongolian and Manchurian when they defeated you and ruled you.

Ly, Tran , Ho ancestors escaped from China following turmoils, came to Vietnam from where was native land of Yue people, as refugee. After hundreds years following many generations assimilated by Vietnamese, they were Vietnamized, they became Vietnamese citizens.

They have been fought against invasions of Chinese to defended independence of Vietnam. Its the difference.

Understand fake historian ?

Chinese have an altitude to lie every thing if they can, like that: Ho Chi Minh is hakka.

Mongolian and Manchurian are Chinese, the countries they found are obviously Chinese countries. Just like 魏蜀吳, 商&周 (both shared huge different cultures) and the ancient countries in Warriors States. The rulers of Qing and Yuan claimed that they are the successors of former Chinese dynasties like any creators of an Chinese dynasties did. Besides the old meaning of "China" means "the Middle Land", it doesn't refer to the modern meaning of [China] which is a term of a country. They did invaded "China", but they never invaded a country called China.

Vietnam was a country divided from Chinese dynasty, same as Pakistan which was divided from India and East Prussia (Kaliningrad) was taken away by Russia. You can never claim that Indian Mughal Empire is Pakistan and East Prussian were Russian nor Polish.

That book is obvious an unofficial historical book, nobody in the world with a clear mind would even take serious to a story with a lot of doubts and consider it as a true history.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Hey, I admit Chinese has nothing to do with Vietnamese, now everyone here happy? haha

Chinese has not contributed to any blood running in Vietnamese. Fortunately there are still Thais who admit that we are blood relatives like this cute girl below.

We dont want to have anything to do with Vietnamese also.

 

[yue10]

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How much Vietnamese are really Vietnamese, I am not too sure. I believe many of you are fake. Its not so easy to catch a Chinese once he fake Vietnamese, but its far easier elsewhere in places like Thailand.

Thai kings are all mestizos and well documented, all have Chinese names.

Rama 1 郑华
Rama 2 郑佛
Rama 3 郑福
Rama 4 郑明
Rama 5 郑隆
Rama 6 郑宝
Rama 7 郑光
Rama 8 郑禧
Rama 9 郑固

The first king Rama 1 faked and lied that he was the son of King Taksin, whom he killed. King Taksin is Chinese, and his Chinese name is

郑信 (Tak sin)

郑 is surname.

A lot of Thai are very Chinese. May be there is 0% Chinese inside Vietnamese, who knows.

Remember "The Lover" by Marguerite Duras?

The male protagonist is a Chinese Le Huynh Thuy who managed to fcuk one of the most famous French writer when she was a underage virgin girl at 15 years old.

Chinese make you Vietnamese proud.

and tongzhi Mao love underage girl too, shameful shameful

 

[EastSea]

Hey, I admit Chinese has nothing to do with Vietnamese, now everyone here happy? haha

Chinese has not contributed to any blood running in Vietnamese. Fortunately there are still Thais who admit that we are blood relatives like this cute girl below.

We dont want to have anything to do with Vietnamese also.

I watched the news on TV, she is mostly crying and said on press conference that she and her family is Thai, stop to attack on her family.

Here is her rival, I think the man is pure Thai.

Thai protest leader vows final showdown with government, Thai protest leader Suthep Thuagsuban gestures as he addresses his supporters during an anti-government rally at the government complex in Bangkok,

 

[Viet]

Remember "The Lover" by Marguerite Duras?

The male protagonist is a Chinese Le Huynh Thuy who managed to fcuk one of the most famous French writer when she was a underage virgin girl at 15 years old.

Chinese make you Vietnamese proud.

lol the roman is about a liaison between a French girl and a Chinese man in French Indochina. So it is not bad to take a Chinese playing a Chinese, don´t you think so?

there you again with your abusive mentality, what a vicious race

actually the Viets true Mon-Khmer root move North to take over from Tai in Jiaozhi then move South

you are a low IQ idiot and retard!

 

[Lux de Veritas]

This guy is a Chinese, his real name is 袁马克.
Category:Thai politicians of Chinese descent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Handsome boy above right is a mestizo. He do not have a "real" Chinese name per se. The old man on the left is another Chinese mestizo. He do not have a real Chinese name.

I think Vietnam is the only place in Indo-China that is 100% non-Chinese. haha...