What the British thought Jinnah wanted for declassified folder DO 142/476- Jinnah had Islamist and pan-Islamic ambitions

[M. Sarmad]

I disagree completely - the British are one angle for it. He had family and he had friends. You cannot use just one narrative to build a picture in a flawed academic approach. Heck try that on any topic and use just one reference and likely you will get a poor grade.

You cannot study Jinnah without the works of Wolpert, Bolitho, Dehlavi or his own sister.

Anything else is Cherry picking -

As for the British - they might even have played it out as they wanted by manipulating both the rulers of Pakistan and the overall institutions both state and non-state.
Jinnah was a forlorn conclusion in 48 - his influence on what Pakistan was to be died after the 61 election fraud by Ayub.

So whether or not he was some pan-Islamist is now irrelevant to the current Pakistan which has nothing to do with Jinnah besides his portrait on its bank notes.

That "cherry picking" you are referring to is exactly what Wali Khan has done in his book "Facts Are Facts," in which he has selectively referred to declassified British documents to support his claim that Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the founding father of Pakistan, was, in fact, a British agent. According to Wali Khan, Jinnah was acting to serve British interests and his primary motivation behind the creation of Pakistan was to act as a buffer state against the USSR, using Islam as a tool to counter Soviet influence in the region, and he has quoted quite a few so-called declassified documents to support his assertion !!

Such (selectively) declassified documents are generally quite a mixed bag. They contain a lot of speculation, opinions, and observations. One can just pick and choose whatever one wants to support his pov.

This thread is another prime example of such cherry-picking, but unlike the communists, the selective use of speculative information here is aimed at portraying Jinnah as an anti-British pan-Islamist. However, this argument is a non-starter since the supposed letter from Jinnah to Al-Banna, which forms the basis of the Islamists' case regarding Jinnah's pan-Islamism, is nowhere to be found in any archives. On the contrary, the only letter written by Jinnah to Al-Banna, which is preserved in our national archives, completely dismantles this argument. In that letter, Jinnah distanced himself from any involvement with Muslim Brotherhood/Pakistan Association Cairo...

 

[HAIDER]

Jinnah had the well documented tactic of influencing allies by speaking their language regardless of his own overall agenda to the matter. So when he speaks of Islamic state his idealism doesn’t translate into other practical and political steps he took otherwise in terms of guidelines for the state.

If anything, he had kept the British guessing his intentions on governorship all the way until early 47. Hence, to read too much into pan-Islamic ideals from an individual who by both career and ideals is rooted in pragmatism and political maneuvering to achieve his goals is racing to conclusions at best and myopic at worst.

Without reading of all of Jinnah’s actions - drawing conclusions from these letters is sheer laziness and cherry picking

People are underestimating Jinnah ............ now people understand the reason why Jinnah support the Palestinian independent state in the context of Kashmir.... ..Jinnah was way ahead of time ....but ...we lost a brilliant mind during the early stages of freedom... we were unable to provide him oxygen and ambulance ............... intentionally ? !!!!!! may be...

 

[Goritoes]

Doesn't matter, what matter is that what those Mere Aziz Humwatno thinks and do.

 

[kingQamaR]

If someone see the conditions of Muslims and other minorities in present-day India, one can very well come to know the vision of a genius who could foresee the future.

إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ وَعَمِلُوا۟ ٱلصَّـٰلِحَـٰتِ كَانَتْ لَهُمْ جَنَّـٰتُ ٱلْفِرْدَوْسِ نُزُلًا

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Condition of Muslims is not that great in Pakistan , if you look at 95% of population
Only Military and politicians or judges or Police is doing well with big Tondh (Big Gut)

 

[kingQamaR]

Condition of Muslims is not that great in Pakistan , if you look at 95% of population
Only Military and politicians or judges or Police is doing well with big Tondh (Big Gut)

Here’s why bro

And the Pakistanis public all sit and take it up thee a s s.... While the courageous afghan woman take to the streets and protest against the Taliban .... So, complain away you have allowed this.... No back bone in this country anymore.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Presently Pakistan is at bottom , calling it as it is

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan should be an Islamic country, otherwise there is no need for partition.

I love Quaiz e Azam but for Muslim what matters is what ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW want. Any order of Jinah, Iqbal or our parents is only to be followed if it doesn't contradict what ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW orders. Those orders which contradict orders of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW are rejected.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

I love Quaiz e Azam but for Muslim what matters is what ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW want. Any order of Jinah, Iqbal or our parents is only to be followed if it doesn't contradict what ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW orders. Those orders which contradict orders of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW are rejected.

I too respect Jinnah, but Pakistan needs to be what it is supposed to be all along.