ChineseTiger1986
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pro-Christian and Chinese helped VNese to expand to the South, so,in the return, we must share the power with them.You allowed those pro-Christian beggars to run your country which means you are quite weak by yourselves.
1. Attaching a haplogroup to an ethnicity or language is ridiculous.1.
40 % Cantonese and 37 % Wuyue people don't shared partial bloodline with Han people Han in Northern China, they are native people called as Bai Yue in early history of China.
2. CouJian, Zhoa Tuo and his soldiers were Han, they created WuYue, NamYue, MinYue Dynasties in ancient time. Its similar to Spanol, Portugal, English men created countries today called Latin American states in America continent. Mixed people can not say they are pure Spanol, Portugal or white men.
3. Dongyi is called for WuYue people, or Jingshu (荆楚) not for Japanese nor Korean, because when the concept "DongYi" born, created by Northern Hans, they did not know where are Japanese are living in this time, they were in Islands as far in oversea, not in East area of mainland China.
4. At beginning statement of our History book, it stated that "when God created many countries, looked at Jiaozhi people who is out of BaiYue ..." its means from long time in the past, so that our ancestors dont considered themselves belong to Bai Yue (Tai/Kay) people. In fact Vietnames/Kinh people is belong Mon Khmer people
Our History book is also stated that: "Van Lang to the East it touched the Southern Sea, to the West Ba and Shu, to the North Lake Dongting, ...."
A genetically based conclusion that the Hmong-Mien peoples are an offshoot of the Mon-Khmer peoples,
Dispatches From Turtle Island: Genetic Links of Mon-Khmer and Hmong-Mien Peoples Confirmed
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So we can believe that in ancient time Hung King was ruler of our our land, today is Southern China, North point reached to DongDing Lake in China.![]()
Who tells you that Zhao Tuo was Chinese, when China even did not exist back then?2. Goujian ancestry is unknown his family claimed descent from Yu who is mythical in the end his family might just be sinicized people.
Zhao Tuo was from Zhending,Zhao so he was definitely considered "Chinese".
Regardless Han ethnicity did not exist then and you are inaccurately portraying them as Han.
I certainly don't champion a pure Han ethnicity,no ethnicity on the face of the earth is pure including Vietnamese.
Why are you so obsessed with Southern Han Chinese Baiyue ancestry?
This is your history.
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Here is our true history land, Hung King was ruler of Northern group of Austro - Asiatic Mon/Khmer/Kinh people.
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Didn't you say that you Kinh people aren't related to the people from Shanghai to Guangdong, so why including our territory in this map?
I don't think it takes a genius to realize that the Warring States are Chinese,no one ever viewed Zhao as semi barbaric unlike GouWu,YuYue,Qin and Chu.Who tells you that Zhao Tuo was Chinese, when China even did not exist back then?
Even if Zhao Tuo was Chinese, the country he ruled did not belong to his homeland where he was born. Remember NamViet (NanYue) was an independent nation. Learn history!
At all, If people followed your logic the Third Reich
Even if Zhao Tuo was Chinese, the country he ruled did not belong to his homeland where he was born. Remember NamViet (NanYue) was an independent nation. Learn history!
o was Chinese, the country he ruled did not belong to his homeland where he was born. Remember NamViet (NanYue) was an independent nation. Learn history!
At all, If people followed your logic the Th
under Adolf Hitler belongs to Austria because he was born there. The French Empire under Napoleon Bonaparte belongs to Corse, because he was born there. The Russian Empire under Katharina die Große belongs to Germany because she was born there, and so fort...
You should stop posting shit.
I don´t comment further on the last part. I just wonder who is more obessed with Baiyue?
Now you show your true colors,regardless there is no proof of kingdom of that size and is nothing more than mental masturbationHere is our true history land, Hung King was ruler of Northern group of Austro - Asiatic Mon/Khmer/Kinh people.
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again a long post from you. Let me reply on one part....
Not only to nationalistic Vietnamese and Koreans distort history they even claim that Chinese are part Korean or Vietnamese!
Seems like the only thing that will satisfy these nationalists is the China splintering into smaller factions and recognizing their "lost" Baiyue/Nomadic roots.
Didn't you say that you Kinh people aren't related to the people from Shanghai to Guangdong, so why including our territory in this map?
Vietnamese members on this forum have been claiming that Southern Han Chinese that we are brainwashed and Baiyue people how is this not a mark of nationalism.again a long post from you. Let me reply on one part.
I see you love those words "nationalist" and "inferiority complex" as you keep repeating. I don´t mind but just wonder if these attitudes fit better to someone else?
I don´t want to dabate with you on Korean history. I read some stuffs about it, but it is better when Korean members reply to your posts. To put it simple: your view is disputed.
Your claim reduces to this simple math: "China is everywhere, and so everything is Chinese", reminds me to your current claim: "The South China Sea is mine, because I was the first there who sailed through the waters and the first who catched the first fish." in your view the world is full of Chinese, no other people live in the region. Others don´t have own history. Simply rediculous!
First and foremost You should be clear about what defines a nation? What makes it standing out from others? What is China? Where it begins and where it ends?
Not influence in all sorts of such as cultures, custom, land of birth of the ruler or whether tributary state. It is sovereignty the ruler has over his nation and people.
I already posted why the existence of Xich Quy,Van Lang or the Hung kings are disputed yet you feel the need to spread your propaganda around...In the ancient time, our Hung King ruled the country flexibly on majority people Mon/Khmer/H'mong mien/JiaoZhi/kinh etc ... only. He didn't cared to much about other minorities native people.
its just a rumor, Nguyễn Phú Trọng is old, hes good at delivering a speech and just like other members of VN politburo (16 member), his power is not strong enough to exert an influence to the whole VN communist partyHi Vietnamese friends here, I have something to verify. According to various sources, there is a pro-China, and this faction is gaining a slightly upper edge in Vietnam.
I believe Chairman Nong Duc Manh is slightly pro-China,so is Nguyễn Phú Trọng,..etc.
Want to listen to your comment about this.
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Also Chinese refer to Viet people in China as the Jīng (京族). 京 itself stands for Peking?
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