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According to the map, Vietnam has been invaded by siberians since Q and N shows up there, have you even checked the specific subclade?


The N and Q in Vietnam could have came from Chinese migrants from the north who also migrated there but it is also unlikely they have anything to do with them because south Chinese lack Q while north Chinese was invaded and conquered by Turkic groups
 
The N and Q in Vietnam could have came from Chinese migrants from the north who also migrated there but it is also unlikely they have anything to do with them because south Chinese lack Q while north Chinese was invaded and conquered by Turkic groups

Check the specific subclades, east asia (china, japan, and korea) is different from turkic peoples Q subclase.

Haplogroup Q-M242 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Different subclades of N are found in a ton of different peoples, even the bouyei tai minority in southern China, fiji in the pacific and borneo and indonesia.

Haplogroup N-M231 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have no genetic studies which back your claims that these are from invasions. The genetic studies I posted earlier explicitly say that O3a came from northern china to southern china through Han migration.
 
Poor dumb Viet baboon, I said those 40 million Cantonese with O1, who are outnumbered by over 60 MILLION Cantonese carrying northern Han O3a, were Tai people like the Zhuang who were ASSIMILATED by the northern Han migrants who outnumbered them by tens of millions.

Dumb ape

Perspectives on the Yi of Southwest China - Google Books



Modern Cantonese Phonology - Robert S. Bauer, Paul K. Benedict - Google Books



Daic is another name for Tai

Handbuch Der Orientalistik - George van Driem - Google Books

$0 million Cantonese were Tai, like Zhuang ?

They are no Zhuang, and Tai with their own blood lineage from father. They are NanYue people and they had also their own Kingdom in the past.

You are idiot liar.
 
$0 million Cantonese were Tai, like Zhuang ?

They are no Zhuang, and Tai with their own blood lineage from father. They are NanYue people. You are idiot liar.


The Power of Words: Literacy and Revolution in South China, 1949-95 - Glen Peterson - Google Books

Populated originally by a branch of non-Sinitic Tai people, whom Chinese rulers called Yue ('beyond the frontier'), Guangdong was incorporated into the Chinese empire in the first century BCE. Successive waves of Han migration from the north, starting in the fifth century BCE, resulted in the gradual absorption of the Yue people or their displacement into the hilly and remote northern and western parts of Guangdong.

Perspectives on the Yi of Southwest China - Google Books

spoken languages with varieties of Chinese. There is evidence that substantial populations of Zhuang-Dong- (Thai-) language speakers were thus assimilated into the Yue (Cantonese) over several millennia, and in the last millennium ...

Modern Cantonese Phonology - Robert S. Bauer, Paul K. Benedict - Google Books

The early Han settlers came into contact with the indigenous tribes of the region and gradually assimilated many of them. ... That many colloquial words in the Yue dialects (as well as in other groups of Chinese dialects) do not have standard ...In searching for the sources of colloquial words in the Yue dialects, a number of scholars have identified phonosemantically similar words in Tai languages of the region and have proposed that some of the colloquial words in Yue form an ancient Tai substratum..

Daic is another name for Tai

Handbuch Der Orientalistik - George van Driem - Google Books

Yet beginning with the Qin dynasty in the third century BC, incursive Chinese elites increasingly imposed their language and culture on the indigenous Daic populations of the south. Now the Cantonese are referred to as the Yue, though 'Yue' was originally the designation of the Daic peoples already resident in southern China whom the Chinese assimilated during their colonisation of the south. Precisely the opposite ...

Modern Cantonese Phonology - Robert S. Bauer, Paul K. Benedict - Google Books

Yuan (1983:179) noted that the same phenomenon exists in Zhuang, a Tai language spoken in Guangxi Province, and he concluded from this that Zhuang and Cantonese have been influencing each other's development and that some of these colloquial Cantonese words very likely have a Tai origin..

Encyclopedia of the World's Endangered Languages - Christopher Moseley - Google Books

Over several millennia, the Chinese majority group has been expanding southwards intoallareas ofwhat is now China, assimilating or displacing other groups. This hasled togreater orlesserdegrees of structural influence of the larger of these languages on regional varieties of Chinese. For example, it is widely recognised that Cantonese shows both lexicaland structural influencefrom a Tai substratum.

The Languages of China - S. Robert Ramsey - Google Books

Phonology of Cantonese - Oi-kan Yue Hashimoto - Google Books

You are the idiot and moron. The Nanyue people WERE TAI. The Cantonese were northern Han migrants who moved to Guangdong and they outnumbered the native Nanyue Tai people by the millions, so the reminaing Tai people gave up their language and culture. Cantonese language is closest to middle Chinese language. All of the sources indicate this.

Food in China: A Cultural and Historical Inquiry - Frederick J. Simoons - Google Books

Early Child Cantonese: Facts and Implications - Shek Tse, Hui Li - Google Books

Cantonese is ancient as well as modern

As spoken today, Cantonese features certain phonological characteristics that are quite close to some pronunciations in Middle Chinese. In fact, some classic Chinese literary pieces, especially poetry, sound close to the original when read in Cantonese because Cantonese phonology is similar in many aspects to the pronunciations used in Middle Chinese.

In contrast, the pronunciation of Mandarin is very different from Middle Chinese; thus, poetry in Middle Chinese can sound quite discordant when read in Mandarin. Using Mandarin phonology in poetry and other rhyme-based writings originally composed in Middle Chinese may sometimes make the lines of the poem sound quite incoherent as Mandarin differs so markedly from Middle Chinese phonology
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The Chinese Language: Its History and Current Usage - Google Books

Cantonese is probably the closest living dialect to the Middle Chinese of the Tang dynasty (618-907 CE), and the Cantonese often refer to themselves as 唐人 tong yan, "people of the Tang."

Non Han people would refer to Han people from the central plains (Zhongyuan) as "people of the Tang". The Cantonese would use this same term to refer to themselves.

Chinese History: A Manual - Endymion Porter Wilkinson - Google Books

China - Michael Cannings - Google Books

Nanyue people were Tai and not Cantonese.
 
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The Power of Words: Literacy and Revolution in South China, 1949-95 - Glen Peterson - Google Books



Perspectives on the Yi of Southwest China - Google Books



Modern Cantonese Phonology - Robert S. Bauer, Paul K. Benedict - Google Books



Daic is another name for Tai

Handbuch Der Orientalistik - George van Driem - Google Books



Modern Cantonese Phonology - Robert S. Bauer, Paul K. Benedict - Google Books



Encyclopedia of the World's Endangered Languages - Christopher Moseley - Google Books



The Languages of China - S. Robert Ramsey - Google Books

Phonology of Cantonese - Oi-kan Yue Hashimoto - Google Books

You are the idiot and moron. The Nanyue people WERE TAI. The Cantonese were northern Han migrants who moved to Guangdong and they outnumbered the native Nanyue Tai people by the millions, so the reminaing Tai people gave up their language and culture. Cantonese language is closest to middle Chinese language. All of the sources indicate this.

Food in China: A Cultural and Historical Inquiry - Frederick J. Simoons - Google Books

Early Child Cantonese: Facts and Implications - Shek Tse, Hui Li - Google Books



The Chinese Language: Its History and Current Usage - Google Books



Non Han people would refer to Han people from the central plains (Zhongyuan) as "people of the Tang". The Cantonese would use this same term to refer to themselves.

Chinese History: A Manual - Endymion Porter Wilkinson - Google Books

China - Michael Cannings - Google Books

Nanyue people were Tai and not Cantonese.

There is trash.

40 million native Cantonese are true NanYue, belong to Bai Yue.

Han Dynasty conquered Nan Yue, the census has been made, its reported that there was around 400.000 NanYue and 900.000 Viet Kinh people.

Today, Vietnamese population is 90 million (86 % Kinh people). Native NanYue is around 40 million in Canton is reliable number.

Using han Ji is a big disadvantage for Nan Yue people to preserve his own language.
 
There is trash.

40 million native Cantonese are true NanYue, belong to Bai Yue.

Han Dynasty conquered Nan Yue, the census has been made, its reported that there was around 400.000 NanYue and 900.000 Viet Kinh people.

Today, Vietnamese population is 90 million (86 % Kinh people). Native NanYue is around 40 million in Canton is reliable number.

Using han Ji is a big disadvantage for Nan Yue people to preserve his own language.

Too bad moron, the native Nanyue language is Tai, not Cantonese. Cantonese is a Sinitic (Chinese) language). Millions of Cantonese northern Han migrated south and outnumbered the Tai nanyue.

These are the Tai languages descended from Nanyue.

Hlai language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bouyei language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Standard Zhuang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zhuang languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the Zhuang script.

Sawndip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Cantonese is an Old/Middle Sinic language got influenced by the Tai language.

Just like English got heavily influenced by Celtic and Latin, but its root is still Germanic.
 
Too bad moron, the native Nanyue language is Tai, not Cantonese. Cantonese is a Sinitic (Chinese) language). Millions of Cantonese northern Han migrated south and outnumbered the Tai nanyue.

These are the Tai languages descended from Nanyue.

Hlai language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bouyei language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Standard Zhuang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zhuang languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the Zhuang script.

Sawndip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

40 million native NanYue people living in canton today, they don't shared bloodline with Hán people. 60 million Cantonese were mixed bloodline with Northerners who immigrated to Canton and so they were assimilated by NanYue people after many generations.

Cantonese language is native Tai/katai language, it should been effected by using Han Ji with borrowed words and so became the one separat language in Sino-Tibetan language family only. In result of this process Han people and Cantonese could not communicate each to other directly.
 
Cantonese is an Old/Middle Sinic language got influenced by the Tai language.

Just like English got heavily influenced by Celtic and Latin, but its root is still Germanic.

don't forget that English people and Deutsch Volk can not understand each to others by speaking same as Han and Cantonese, even thought two languages have similar grammar using complex expression systems with the verbs "to have" and "to be", it's corresponding to "haben" and "sein" in Duetsch, and there are in two different ethnic group, other than they are in two Nations and Citizenships.

(I finished meine beruft ausbuildung in German, kid)
 
40 million native NanYue people living in canton today, they don't shared bloodline with Hán people. 60 million Cantonese were mixed bloodline with Northerners who immigrated to Canton and so they were assimilated by NanYue people after many generations.

Cantonese language is native Tai/katai language, it should been effected by using Han Ji with borrowed words and so became the one separat language in Sino-Tibetan language family only. In result of this process Han people and Cantonese could not communicate each to other directly.

No dumbass, Korean and Japanese and Vietnamese have used Chinese characters and their languages have not changed lanugage families.

Hanja - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kanji - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chữ nôm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These are the true Tai languages descended from the Nanyue natives.

Hlai language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bouyei language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Standard Zhuang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zhuang languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Zhuang have even used a script based on Chinese characters called Sawndip, like Chu Nom in Vietnam. It didn't change their language family to Sinitic.

Sawndip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sawndip writing

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Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights_Zhuang_Sawndip.png


The grammar and vocabulary of Cantonese is Sinitic and Cantonese is closest dialect to Middle Chinese.

Food in China: A Cultural and Historical Inquiry - Frederick J. Simoons - Google Books

Early Child Cantonese: Facts and Implications - Shek Tse, Hui Li - Google Books

Cantonese is ancient as well as modern

As spoken today, Cantonese features certain phonological characteristics that are quite close to some pronunciations in Middle Chinese. In fact, some classic Chinese literary pieces, especially poetry, sound close to the original when read in Cantonese because Cantonese phonology is similar in many aspects to the pronunciations used in Middle Chinese.

In contrast, the pronunciation of Mandarin is very different from Middle Chinese; thus, poetry in Middle Chinese can sound quite discordant when read in Mandarin. Using Mandarin phonology in poetry and other rhyme-based writings originally composed in Middle Chinese may sometimes make the lines of the poem sound quite incoherent as Mandarin differs so markedly from Middle Chinese phonology.

The Chinese Language: Its History and Current Usage - Google Books

Cantonese is probably the closest living dialect to the Middle Chinese of the Tang dynasty (618-907 CE), and the Cantonese often refer to themselves as 唐人 tong yan, "people of the Tang."

The name "people of the Tang" was used by non-Han foreigners to refer to Han people from the central plains (Zhongyuan). This term was never used for non Han.

Chinese History: A Manual - Endymion Porter Wilkinson - Google Books

China - Michael Cannings - Google Books
 
Using han Ji is a big disadvantage for Nan Yue people to preserve his own language.

Big disadvantage hrr? Hmm, let's see, how about I:

詛咒你隻死馬騮祖宗十八代,
冚家鏟快尐仆街跳樓死, 無喺度浪費我哋人類嘅寶貴資源,
頂你個肺咁多人死唔見你條食屎南蠻狗死

Well, not so 'disadvantage'.
 
All I know about Vietnam is, that they made the US and Chinese piss and shit in their pants :cheers:
You probably don't know that Russia & China were behind for the most famous cold war

You may not know that France & Iran made better with them beeing attacked by several big nations and winning ALONE at the end
 
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You probably don't know that Russia & China were behind for the most famous cold war

You may not know that France & Iran made better with them beeing attacked by several big nations and winning ALONE at the end


China changed his side from 1968. Only Russian was by with us to end of Vietnam war 1945-1975.

Without victory of Russian on Nazi in WWII, France is part of Third Reich until now.
 

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