History of Vietnam or What do you want to know about Vietnam?

[DoTell]

Don't have time to read the whole thread. Has anyone asked the "real" Vietnamese how they feel about their country falling to the communist? The country could've been another "tiger" of Asia. But the Soviet Union and proximity to China sealed their fate. Now that the Soviet is no more, and China has changed course. Is Vietnam still hardcore communist at the top? I don't know much about Vietnam, but I know they are no North Korea or Cuba, luckily.

 

[EastSea]

Question:
What's the oldest surviving literary text in Vietnam and what does it say?

Chinese aggressors invaded in to Vietnam time to time, our texts or all books were written with our ancient characters were burn.

I like the poet of our hero Ly Thuong Kiet, was written with Han Ji:


Original Chinese:

南國山河南帝居
截然定分在天書
如何逆虜來侵犯
汝等行看取敗虛


Nam quốc sơn hà nam đế cư
Tiệt nhiên định phận tại thiên thư
Như hà nghịch lỗ lai xâm phạm
Nhữ đẳng hành khan thủ bại hư.


translated in to English:

Over Mountains and Rivers of the South, reigns the Emperor of the South
As it stands written forever in the Book of Heaven
How dare those barbarians invade our land?
Your armies, without pity, will be annihilated.

 

[EastSea]

Don't have time to read the whole thread. Has anyone asked the "real" Vietnamese how they feel about their country falling to the communist? The country could've been another "tiger" of Asia. But the Soviet Union and proximity to China sealed their fate. Now that the Soviet is no more, and China has changed course. Is Vietnam still hardcore communist at the top? I don't know much about Vietnam, but I know they are no North Korea or Cuba, luckily.

It was mistake of history, i think , in both China and Vietnam.

Ho Chi Minh was at first a patriot, nationalist, not communist. So he was criticized by Stalin. He escaped from Moscow and went to China and Thailand before he turned back to Vietnam 1941.

Ho Chi Minh declared independence to Vietnam 2/9/1945 and he has been released Indo-China Communist party and established Democracy Party and Socialist Party in Vietnam hereof. He has been ready to build the country's future policy base on democracy principles. But regretfully, idiot France colonials turned back after 1945 and liked to rule Vietnam again. And first Vietnam war began.

There was reason why we have our bitter resistance wars against France until 1954, USA until 1973 and China 1979 to protect our independence.

 

[Wholegrain]

Chinese aggressors invaded in to Vietnam time to time, our texts or all books were written with our ancient characters were burn.

I like the poet of our hero Ly Thuong Kiet, was written with Han Ji:

More Vietnamese ultranationalist revisionism- the Vietnamese never had their own indigenous script before they adopted Chinese characters. Funny how all those claims of indigenous Vietnamese scripts are never recognized by anyone other than Vietnamese themselves, LOL. No foreign historians, western, chinese, or martian, believes in these BS claims.

It was mistake of history, i think , in both China and Vietnam.

Ho Chi Minh was at first a patriot, nationalist, not communist. So he was criticized by Stalin. He escaped from Moscow and went to China and Thailand before he turned back to Vietnam 1941.

Ho Chi Minh declared independence to Vietnam 2/9/1945 and he has been released Indo-China Communist party and established Democracy Party and Socialist Party in Vietnam hereof. He has been ready to build the country's future policy base on democracy principles. But regretfully, idiot France colonials turned back after 1945 and liked to rule Vietnam again. And first Vietnam war began.

There was reason why we have our bitter resistance wars against France until 1954, USA until 1973 and China 1979 to protect our independence.

More lies, Ho Chi Minh's "Democratic Republic of Vietnam" declared in 1945 was a Communist state, Ho joined the French Communist Party in 1920 and joined the Soviet Union's COMINTERN in Moscow in 1923, and led Communist Viet Minh forces in Vietnam in 1941

 

[Rechoice]

More Vietnamese ultranationalist revisionism- the Vietnamese never had their own indigenous script before they adopted Chinese characters. Funny how all those claims of indigenous Vietnamese scripts are never recognized by anyone other than Vietnamese themselves, LOL. No foreign historians, western, chinese, or martian, believes in these BS claims.



More lies, Ho Chi Minh's "Democratic Republic of Vietnam" declared in 1945 was a Communist state, Ho joined the French Communist Party in 1920 and joined the Soviet Union's COMINTERN in Moscow in 1923, and led Communist Viet Minh forces in Vietnam in 1941

You are idiot, bla and bala.

read more, kid.

 

[Wholegrain]

You are idiot, bla and bala.

read more, kid.

This is a freaking hilarious joke. Only Vietnamese websites reported this alleged "writing". They can't show us translations of any inscriptions left and no western historian has even bothered to look at this forgery.

 

[NiceGuy]

More lies, Ho Chi Minh's "Democratic Republic of Vietnam" declared in 1945 was a Communist state, Ho joined the French Communist Party in 1920 and joined the Soviet Union's COMINTERN in Moscow in 1923, and led Communist Viet Minh forces in Vietnam in 1941

HCM dismissed Communist party in 1945

When the Viet Minh declared Vietnam's independence in September 1945, Truong was by Ho's side in Hanoi. The Indochinese Communist party was dissolved as a political maneuver in November 1945
Truong Chinh - Definition of Truong Chinh

and

Major Thomas, who died in 2005 after a long career as an attorney in Lansing, Michigan, radioed his O.S.S. superiors based in Kunming, in southwestern China, that they needn’t worry about Ho’s political leanings.

“Forget the Communist Bogy,” he wrote. “Viet Minh League is not Communist. Stands for freedom and reforms from French harshness.”

Mr. Logevall’s appraisal, in his book, said Major Thomas got it “wrong, or at least incomplete.”

“If the Viet Minh stood for independence and against French repression, its core leadership that summer also remained staunchly Communist. But Ho in particular among top strategists wore the ideology lightly, so much so that even Soviet officials questioned his Communist credentials. In Mao Zedong’s Chinese Communist Party, too, analysts wondered where the Viet Minh, should it win the right to rule a free Vietnam, would take the country.”
http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/did-the-u-s-lose-ho-chi-minh-to-communism/?_r=0

 

[yue10]

It was mistake of history, i think , in both China and Vietnam.
Ho Chi Minh was at first a patriot, nationalist, not communist. So he was criticized by Stalin. He escaped from Moscow and went to China and Thailand before he turned back to Vietnam 1941.
Ho Chi Minh declared independence to Vietnam 2/9/1945 and he has been released Indo-China Communist party and established Democracy Party and Socialist Party in Vietnam hereof. He has been ready to build the country's future policy base on democracy principles. But regretfully, idiot France colonials turned back after 1945 and liked to rule Vietnam again. And first Vietnam war began.
There was reason why we have our bitter resistance wars against France until 1954, USA until 1973 and China 1979 to protect our independence.

not complete lies but still lies, Mr Ho Chi Minh was always a nationalist first but I think the Vietnamese should stop making it out as if Mr Ho Chi Minh turned to communism by choice, choice suggest he had free will to choose whatever ideology he saw fit but this was never the case

Don't have time to read the whole thread. Has anyone asked the "real" Vietnamese how they feel about their country falling to the communist? The country could've been another "tiger" of Asia. But the Soviet Union and proximity to China sealed their fate. Now that the Soviet is no more, and China has changed course. Is Vietnam still hardcore communist at the top? I don't know much about Vietnam, but I know they are no North Korea or Cuba, luckily.

just another modern day Chinese who likes to spit in the face of their revolutionary ancestors, so sad

 

[yue10]

how do you post pictures?

http://alif-shinobi.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/basic-tai-dam-phrases.html
look familiar to me

can Vietnamese explain about the Black emperor-Mai Thúc Loan

 

[Sun Piwa]

The vietnamese wrote like the chinese. The modern vietnamese language was invented by a french

 

[Rechoice]

how do you post pictures?

Tai Languages with Alif Silpachai: Basic Tai Dam Phrases
look familiar to me

can Vietnamese explain about the Black emperor-Mai Thúc Loan

His skin should be not white, like our peasants who is daily working under sunshine, but didn't looked like Obama.

Mai Hắc Đế (chữ Hán: 梅黑帝; ?–722), tên thật là Mai Thúc Loan (梅叔&#40478 hoặc Mai Huyền Thành (梅玄&#25104 là vua nước Việt Nam, anh hùng dân tộc, người lãnh đạo cuộc khởi nghĩa nông dân chống sự chiếm đóng của nhà Đường ở Việt Nam vào đầu thế kỉ thứ 8. Ông quê ở Mai Phụ (Lộc Hà, Hà Tĩnh)[1] nhưng sinh ra ở Nam Đàn, Nghệ An, Việt Nam.

Mai Thúc Loan sinh vào khoảng cuối thế kỷ 7, tại thôn Ngọc Trừng, Hoan Châu, nay thuộc huyện Nam Đàn, Nghệ An. Theo "Việt điện u linh", Bố Mai Thúc Loan là Mai Hoàn, mẹ là Mai An Hòa nguyên gốc Lộc Hà - Hà Tĩnh, lưu lạc sang vùng Nam Đàn - Nghệ An.[2]

Mai H

You can ask Mr. Google: how to post picture on forum.

 

[Viet]

Don't have time to read the whole thread. Has anyone asked the "real" Vietnamese how they feel about their country falling to the communist? The country could've been another "tiger" of Asia. But the Soviet Union and proximity to China sealed their fate. Now that the Soviet is no more, and China has changed course. Is Vietnam still hardcore communist at the top? I don't know much about Vietnam, but I know they are no North Korea or Cuba, luckily.

Communism sucks. China sucks, too. The Soviets helped Vietnam more than China ever did. Throughout history, China regardless of Imperial or Communist, did more harms to Vietnam more it helped. Surely, Vietnam is one of few countries in the world holding the communist banner, along with China, Cuba and N. Korea. That is due to history.

But don´t make the mistake by assuming Vietnam is a communist country. First and foremost, Vietnamese are sinicized, embrace confucian and worship ancestries. These 3 are the pillar of the Vietnamese society.

No surprise, the basic laws of Vietnam clearly state the communist party is the dominant power of the country, but determines the family builds the core of the society.

 

[DoTell]

Communism sucks. China sucks, too.

I feel your pain. Us human's relationship between countries is no different than animals in a jungle. The big eat the small, the strong beat up the weak. China itself was bullied plenty by the "devils" from our east (you know, that country made up of short people), north (namely the northern bears), and west.

The Soviets helped Vietnam more than China ever did.

I just lied. We humans sometimes are actually smarter than animals. Instead of fighting my enemy directly, I'll lure and create an enemy for my enemy. It's called enemy's enemy. The Soviets "helped" Vietnam in order to contain China and fend off the U.S. Vietnam was like a little kid caught between the big bullies. The 1979 Sino Vietnam war was the latest collateral damage as a result of the games played between China, The Soviet and the U.S. Deng Xiaoping called The Soviet bluff and attacked Vietnam. The Soviet, as predicted by Deng, never dared to make a move. The result? Although China suffered a big casualty in the battle itself, it won a huge strategic war with The Soviet. Most importantly, the war allowed China to cozy up with America. Soon after the war China and the U.S. established formal relationship which triggered the spectacular economic growth for 30+ years. Vietnam was never in the conversation afterwards.

Now Vietnam is back on the world stage. You know why? Because India, Japan and uncle Sam want to play with China again I wouldn't get too close to any of them if I were you. So far, every indication shows the Vietnamese leaders understand that very well. They have always been saying the right things, unlike the other small country in the region.

But don´t make the mistake by assuming Vietnam is a communist country. First and foremost, Vietnamese are sinicized, embrace confucian and worship ancestries. These 3 are the pillar of the Vietnamese society..

That sounds like what we are as well.

[/QUOTE]No surprise, the basic laws of Vietnam clearly state the communist party is the dominant power of the country, but determines the family builds the core of the society.[/QUOTE]

We believe the same thing too. Every spring festival the largest human migration takes place in China because all Chinese want to get back with their families. We are all human beings after all

Cheers!

 

[EastSea]

I feel your pain. Us human's relationship between countries is no different than animals in a jungle. The big eat the small, the strong beat up the weak. China itself was bullied plenty by the "devils" from our east (you know, that country made up of short people), north (namely the northern bears), and west.



I just lied. We humans sometimes are actually smarter than animals. Instead of fighting my enemy directly, I'll lure and create an enemy for my enemy. It's called enemy's enemy. The Soviets "helped" Vietnam in order to contain China and fend off the U.S. Vietnam was like a little kid caught between the big bullies. The 1979 Sino Vietnam war was the latest collateral damage as a result of the games played between China, The Soviet and the U.S. Deng Xiaoping called The Soviet bluff and attacked Vietnam. The Soviet, as predicted by Deng, never dared to make a move. The result? Although China suffered a big casualty in the battle itself, it won a huge strategic war with The Soviet. Most importantly, the war allowed China to cozy up with America. Soon after the war China and the U.S. established formal relationship which triggered the spectacular economic growth for 30+ years. Vietnam was never in the conversation afterwards.

Now Vietnam is back on the world stage. You know why? Because India, Japan and uncle Sam want to play with China again I wouldn't get too close to any of them if I were you. So far, every indication shows the Vietnamese leaders understand that very well. They have always been saying the right things, unlike the other small country in the region.



That sounds like what we are as well.

Yes, at least you admitted the truth. China attacked Soviets 1969 to show of his face then USA let China join to UN. China stopped help to Vietnam from 1968 to shake hands with USA 1972 and China backed Khmer Rouge to attacked Vietnam's borders 1975-1978. At last, China attacked Vietnam 1979 to show her true face, by side with USA in cold war.

However, Russian is more trusted partner than China.

 

[Viet]

The vietnamese wrote like the chinese. The modern vietnamese language was invented by a french

partly correct. The modern Vietnamese alphabet was firstly invented by Portuguese.

As early as 1527, Portuguese Christian missionaries in Vietnam began using Latin script to transcribe the Vietnamese language for teaching and evangelization purposes. These informal efforts led eventually to the development of the present Vietnamese alphabet, largely by the work of French Jesuit Alexandre de Rhodes, who worked in the country between 1624 and 1644. Building on previous Portuguese–Vietnamese dictionaries by Gaspar d'Amaral and Duarte da Costa, Rhodes wrote the Dictionarium Annamiticum Lusitanum et Latinum, a Vietnamese–Portuguese–Latin dictionary, which was printed in Rome in 1651, using his spelling system.[2]

Vietnamese alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia