History of Vietnam or What do you want to know about Vietnam?

[beijingwalker]

The difference is while Viets women fight on battlefields, their sisters in China fight how to look beautiful.

Our PLA girls do fight,they fight in sports and they train really hard and are among the best in the world.some of them got Olympic gold medals.

 

[EastSea]

It was founded by a Chinese,how come it was not a Chinese Kingdom?

Nan Yue Guo was conquered by Han Dynasty. United States founded by English men but became Independence State.

 

[Fattyacids]

Kinh Dương Vương (Hán tự: 涇陽王; "King of Kinh Dương") is a legendary ancient Vietnamese figure who was the first Hùng Vương (King Hùng), mentioned in the 15th century work Đại Việt sử ký toàn thư with having grouped all the vassal states within his territory into a unified nation, and as the founder of the Hồng Bàng Dynasty. He is considered the first king of the Vietnamese people, and was the father of Lạc Long Quân.

Kinh D

Our last Emperor was An Dương Vương from (257 to 207 BCE) before invasion of Nan Yue in to Vietnam.

An D

That was mythology. If you are talking about real history, he did not exist.

 

[Fattyacids]

you are right. Some southern Vietnamese are mixed with Chams and Khmers, no surprise giving the neighborhood, while Northern Vietnamese are mixed with Southern Chinese.

Again NanYue was not a Chinese kingdom.

There was no Vietnam then, Zhao Tuo who was a CHinese general created NanYue that covers Guangzhou China. His capital is Panyue Guangzhou. It is Chinese kingdom.

I'm curious about Northern Vietnam, how much chinese culture and tradition are retained?

 

[Snomannen]

Nan Yue Guo was conquered by Han Dynasty. United States founded by English men but became Independence State.

Nan-Tue and Han were both ancient Chinese nations.
Wales and England were/are British nations.
Sachen and Prussia were German nations.
Mughal and the other Indians nations it had conquered were all Indian nations.

 

[Fattyacids]

Our PLA girls do fight,they fight in sports and they train really hard and are among the best in the world.some of them got Olympic gold medals.

Are you sure she is a not movie star, but PLA girls? She is hot.

 

[beijingwalker]

Are you sure she is a not movie star, but PLA girls? She is hot.

She is just a soldier

 

[EastSea]

That was mythology. If you are talking about real history, he did not exist.

Its like Hua Xia

Garrison stronghold of An Duong Vuong, Co Loa Citadel.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Co_loa_Citadel.jpg

relics.

 

[Fattyacids]

Its like Hua Xia

He is sort of semi mythical? Most history books put Zhao Tuo the first founder of NanYue, as the one who sinizied north vietnam.

 

[BoXilai]

Most of Vietnamese now are not pure Viet people. A small amount of them can be find in Northern provinces. They're called Giao Chỉ (Jiaozhi) people.

Look at geographical location you can know why some Vietnamese looks like Chinese while some other ones looks like Thai, Lao,...

Vietnamese now = [Pure Viet mixed with Han(a big amount of them living in the North Vietnam and north of Central Vietnam, even if Vietnamese government did not mass expelled Chinese Vietnamese in 1979, this number can be larger) + Pure Viet mixed with Khmer, Cham,...(Most of people in the South Vietnam and south of Central Vietnam) + Pure Viet(a small amount, they can be found in Phu Tho, Bac Giang, Ha Nam, Hai Duong, Hung Yen, Thai Binh,Nam Dinh,...)] + 55 other nations(3% of population)

 

[Fattyacids]

Most of Vietnamese now are not pure Viet people. A small amount of them can be find in Northern provinces. They're called Giao Chỉ (Jiaozhi) people.

Look at geographical location you can know why some Vietnamese looks like Chinese while some other ones looks like Thai, Lao,...

Vietnamese now = [Pure Viet mixed with Han(a big amount of them living in the North Vietnam and north of Central Vietnam, even if Vietnamese government did not mass expelled Chinese Vietnamese in 1979, this number can be larger) + Pure Viet mixed with Khmer, Cham,...(Most of people in the South Vietnam and south of Central Vietnam) + Pure Viet(a small amount, they can be found in Phu Tho, Bac Giang, Ha Nam, Hai Duong, Hung Yen, Thai Binh,Nam Dinh,...)] + 55 other nations(3% of population)

Original viet are Austroasiatic, how do they look like? closer to Chinese or Khmer? any pics?

 

[BoXilai]

Original viet are Austroasiatic, how do they look like? closer to Chinese or Khmer? any pics?

A have read many ancient stories. I think they looked like people in destroyed countries in South China but they had different customs. For example, they usually dyed their teeth to black, made special cakes in Tet Holiday,...

P/s: Chinese, it's not a nation, it's assemblage of many nations. Many countries were destroyed in geographical history of China. In Vietnam, there is a nation is called Mong, they are descendants of nation of 楚(S&#7903, a destroyed country in Chinese history.

 

[Fattyacids]

A have read many ancient stories. I think they looked like people in destroyed countries in South China but they had different customs. For example, they usually dyed their teeth to black, made special cakes in Tet Holiday,...

P/s: Chinese, it's not a nation, it's assemblage of many nations. Many countries were destroyed in geographical history of China. In Vietnam, there is a nation is called Mong, they are descendants of nation of 楚(S&#7903, a destroyed country in Chinese history.

LOL, Mong are minority tai people. Nothing to do Chu 楚.

 

[Wholegrain]

I want to know the similarity and differences between Vietnamese with Southern Hans and the Northern Hans people.

We are a family.

The Viets and Southern Han´s are much closer in terms of look than to the Northern Han´s. Nevertherless we all share the same cultures and custom. Many Viets consider the Southern Hans (Cantonese) as their true brothers and sisters as we both lived a country called NamViet in ancient times.

One of the major differences between the Viets and the Han´s lies the position of women in the society. Traditionally Viets women have more say and right than their sisters in China.

The difference is that southern Han hate Vietnamese while northern Han don't.

Sputhern Han are descended from northern Han who moved south and married the native Baiyue women, this is why the southern Han y Chromosome (inherited from the father) is extremely close to northern Han Y chromosome, but the mtdna (inherited from the mother) and autosomal DNA is different.

How Han are Taiwanese Han? Genetic Inference of Plains Indigenous Ancestry ... - Shu-Juo Chen - Google Books

How Han are Taiwanese Han? Genetic Inference of Plains Indigenous Ancestry ... - Shu-Juo Chen - Google Books

European Journal of Human Genetics - Abstract of article: A spatial analysis of genetic structure of human populations in China reveals distinct difference between maternal and paternal lineages

http://159.226.149.45/compgenegroup/paper/wenbo Han culture paper (2004).pdf

Genetic evidence supports demic diffusion of Han cult... [Nature. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v431/n7006/full/nature02878.html

Abstract
The spread of culture and language in human populations is explained by two alternative models: the demic diffusion model, which involves mass movement of people; and the cultural diffusion model, which refers to cultural impact between populations and involves limited genetic exchange between them. The mechanism of the peopling of Europe has long been debated, a key issue being whether the diffusion of agriculture and language from the Near East was concomitant with a large movement of farmers. Here we show, by systematically analysing Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA variation in Han populations, that the pattern of the southward expansion of Han culture is consistent with the demic diffusion model, and that males played a larger role than females in this expansion. The Han people, who all share the same culture and language, exceed 1.16 billion (2000 census), and are by far the largest ethnic group in the world. The expansion process of Han culture is thus of great interest to researchers in many fields.

European Journal of Human Genetics - Abstract of article: A spatial analysis of genetic structure of human populations in China reveals distinct difference between maternal and paternal lineages

Abstract
Analyses of archeological, anatomical, linguistic, and genetic data suggested consistently the presence of a significant boundary between the populations of north and south in China. However, the exact location and the strength of this boundary have remained controversial. In this study, we systematically explored the spatial genetic structure and the boundary of north–south division of human populations using mtDNA data in 91 populations and Y-chromosome data in 143 populations. Our results highlight a distinct difference between spatial genetic structures of maternal and paternal lineages. A substantial genetic differentiation between northern and southern populations is the characteristic of maternal structure, with a significant uninterrupted genetic boundary extending approximately along the Huai River and Qin Mountains north to Yangtze River. On the paternal side, however, no obvious genetic differentiation between northern and southern populations is revealed.

The Y chromosome haplogroup and subclade among different groups of East Asians.

Cantonese still call themselves people of Tang after the Tang dynasty because alot of their ancestors were northerners who fled to Guangdong during the Tang dynasty.

Many northern Chinese fled to southern China in ancient times

Their is a saying in Taiwan, "mainland grandfather no mainland grandmother" 有唐山公無唐山媽 because Han men from mainland would marry Aboriginal Taiwanese women.

During the first Jin dynasty and the Tang dynasty alot of northern Han fled to southern China.

Portrait of a Community

Portrait of a Community

In the Shadow of the Han

A History of Chinese Civilization - Jacques Gernet - Google knygos

Northern Han moved to southern China, married native women and their descendants became southern Hans. Many of these southern Han founded Kingdoms like Nanyue and Southern Han. Both of these Southern Han (Cantonese) Kingdoms were enemies of the Vietnamese and fought against them. Nanyue crushed Au Lac and Southern Han fought to retain control of Vietnam. Most armies from China which fought against Vietnam were made out of southern Han and not northerners.

However, many Vietnamese are under strange delusions - they think that Cantonese and other Southern Han have no Han blood and are entirely sinicized Baiyue, that they must be long lost brothers and were brainwashed by the evil northern Han. @EastSea @Rechoice

Southern Han look down on Vietnamese and Cantonese do not want to be associated with them at all. They are angry that Vietnam keeps claiming they are their brothers and claiming Nanyue is Vietnamese. But northern Han don't know any of these things. They don't know what Baiyue is and aren't interested in this stupid stuff which is why they don't hate Vietnamese as much as southern Han.

We have pureblooded Baiyue descendants who were not mixed. They are the natives of southern China.

Tanka people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fuzhou Tanka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zhuang people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Li people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[djsjs]

Vietnam has similar per capita GDP with India,but we all know that vietnamnese living in a much better level on average.Vietnam ,from big cities to small villages,looks much reacher clearer.whats the secret? why don't share some with your so called dear friend Indians?we hope you don't just use them as a tool