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dude, yue10 is not a Viet, he is a troller at best.
we do you reject your fellow Viet?

I think he's southern vietnamese...probably Cham people ;).
not Cham, 100% Viet blood with superior Southern accent

I only know one thing: one of the Chief Architects for the Forbidden City was Nguyen An.
yes and he was taken as tribute when he was a boy so whatever skills and knowledge he acquired he acquired them from the Chinese in China

Nguyen warlord didn't liked to using you, but as human being, Nguyen lord given your ancestors chance to live in his land . if he deported your ancestors back to the sea, your ancestors should disapeared in the sea because the storms or captured back by Manchus,you coudn'nt insule him now. your are ungretful Min Yue.

Mac Cuu accepted ruling of Southern Nguyen Lord was smart decision, he could controll his land in Ha Tien for his descendants.

Vietnam economy is based on both Red River delta and Mekong delta. Tonkin is native land of Vietnamese Nation. You mentioned about
our history book "Đai Vietj Sử lươc". The first sentance òf book stated:

"Xưa hoàng Đế dựng muôn nươc, thấy Giao Chỉ xa xôi ở ngoaid cõi Bách Viêt..."

translated in to English:

"Long time ago, when God created many coutnries in the world, looked at Vietnam-Jiaozhi is out of Bai Yue..."

It mean: Vietnam (Kinh People) is not belong to Bai Yue
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is this true? because I am going to use this on different forum
isn't hoang de=emperor
 
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we do you reject your fellow Viet?


not Cham, 100% Viet blood with superior Southern accent


yes and he was taken as tribute when he was a boy so whatever skills and knowledge he acquired he acquired them from the Chinese in China


is this true? because I am going to use this on different forum
isn't hoang de=emperor

Viet !? But why did you using "yue" but not Viet !?

seem like we have one more coward dog in here ...
 
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We are a family.

The Viets and Southern Han´s are much closer in terms of look than to the Northern Han´s. Nevertherless we all share the same cultures and custom. Many Viets consider the Southern Hans (Cantonese) as their true brothers and sisters as we both lived a country called NamViet in ancient times.

One of the major differences between the Viets and the Han´s lies the position of women in the society. Traditionally Viets women have more say and right than their sisters in China.

For the last point, I heard that it is your tradition that Viet men live on their women? I mean no offense cuz there are also some places in China where women go out to work while men stay at home
 
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China has donated ten of thousand people's lives in your two wars against france, and U.S., trained almost all of your elite cadets, protected you during both wars from being invaded, donated tons of equipment, weapons, foods and etc while her own people suffered greatly due to famine and other shortage of basic stuff...

While you accused China right back and started your invasion into others, called the territories in China was yours and even considered quite a big area in our Yunnan, Guangxi are yours???

If I do not call that ungrateful, what should I call that???


ungrateful?

okay I now say many thanks for the millions of granates, you fired on us, in your last aggression against Vietnam, your clown.

Lang+Son+%2779.jpg

Lang Son in 1979, destroyed in the Chinese invasion (Photo: Vtn archive)
 
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It seems that you lack the basic understanding of knowledge.

The fact that China joined the U.N. has nothing to do with U.S. but the great support from 3rd world countries, a lot of them from Africa.

China's reclamation of its territories is right on schedule. We have got back HK, Macao. Taiwan will be on the short schedule as well. In addition, we have reclaimed several islands in SCS already. We will get all of them back.

You can watch and jump up and down. :)

At the end of day, to teach you, a bunch of ungrateful bastards from vn, a good lesson is the only way that works.


Why China has a betrayal mentality ? It was quite simple: China kicked @ of Soviet 1969 to kiss @ of USA to let you join to UN. now your master USA don't let China to touch @ of Japan and Taiwan, you have to turn back to kiss @ of Russia recently.

because China is full of just a double-faced ignorant ungrateful bastards.
 
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That's history, now Champa,Montagnards, Kinh live peacefully together :pop:

Mission to Vietnam Advocacy Day (Vietnamese-American Meet up 2013) in the U.S. Capitol. A UPR report By IOC-Campa.

Mission to Vietnam Advocacy Day (Vietnamese-American Meet up 2013) in the U.S. Capitol. A UPR report By IOC-Campa.
Written by Khaleelah Porome

Khaleelah Porome
The IOC, is an organization that promotes the preservation of the Kingdom of Champa’s history and culture. The Champa people are an indigenous group of people that have existed in Vietnam since the 7th century. It remained in its glory days until its fall in the 10th century to its northern neighbor, Dai Viet (present day Vietnam). In 1653, Champa became a vassal state of the Nguyen until, in 1832,

Emperor Minh Menh annexed its remaining territories. This caused the erasure of the Kingdom of Champa from the map. Today all that remains of the Kingdom of Champa are it’s archaeological sites and the survivors of Emperor Minh Menh’s ethnic cleansing policies. After 1975, when Saigon fell to the communist government of North Vietnam, the Cham lost their farms, land and properties, because they were confiscated by the government. They have been prohibited to worship and practice their religions. Practicing Hindu Cham had several ancient temples that were used for worship, confiscated and converted into tourist destinations by the Vietnamese government for their own financial benefit, violating the Cham Hindu beliefs.

About 130,000 Cham people in Vietnam currently exist in Binh Thuan and Ninh Thuan provinces (central Vietnam); Chau Doc, Ho Chi Minh City, and Tay Ninh (Southern Vietnam). The rest have fled seeking refuge in the U.S., Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, and across Europe.

The Cham people are currently recognized by the Vietnamese government as minority group, even though they are indeed and in fact, indigenous. They meet all requirements by the UN standards and criteria, to be considered indigenous, however the Vietnamese government refuses to acknowledge this.

Recent human rights violations by the Vietnamese government against the Cham people:

In 2012, the local police used their power to bust into a local Mosque and took away a generator that provided electricity to over 40 families in the village of Chau Giang, and not long after that they came and kidnapped young village girls at their discretion to rape and sexually abuse them, eventually releasing them.

On 2009, a farm land owned by 13 Cham families From Vân Lâm villages was confiscated, when they tried to stand up for their ownership, they were apprehended by the police and discarded in an undisclosed remote location in the jungle.

In 2010, two young Cham college students from Thành Tín village are on vacation took a walk from their village to the city being stop and beat up to death.

In March 2013, a poor Cham college student Thành Xuân Thịnh from Phươc Nhơn village took out a loan for school, upon graduation he was unable to get a job and sought the help of staffing agency to place him in a position, so he could pay back his student loans. The agency had promised to staff him within weeks. After a few months, he was still unemployed, and when he approached the agency about a refund, they set him on fire, and he burned to death.

Cham people who have escaped Vietnam and have become U.S. citizens, have tried to return to their native land, of Vietnam to visit family and friends. Each time they return to Vietnam they are discriminated against, harassed, and even imprisoned. Mr. Nguyen V. Xung, an exchange student to Saudi Arabia in 1973 went back to Vietnam to visit his aging mother, was kept in the hotel overnight then was eventually deported out a day after that. Mr. Musa Porome, went to Vietnam in 1989 was kept at a hotel for 5 days while being interrogated by police agents and was eventually deported out of the country. Mr. Qasim Tu went to Vietnam in 2004, and was harassed and subjected to intimidation by Vietnamese secret agent over several days, and unable to visit his family. When Mrs. Man Jone tried to visit she was arrested and imprisoned under the accusations that she was trying to introduce a new religion to the community.

The Vietnamese government is currently building a nuclear power plant in a Cham village, with old and used technology from old North Korean power plants. Many people have fought against it, including Vietnamese politicians and scientists, citing the long term adverse affects it would have on the local villages and eventually extended further into the major cities of Vietnam. People that have spoken out publicly or post anything on social media sites, are immediately approached by and harassed by the Vietnam government. A prime example is when Mr. Musa Porome wrote a letter questioning the reasoning for the development of the nuclear power plant in a currently populated area, and speaking out about it. The government immediately fired back by threatening and intimidating him and his remaining family that still resides in Vietnam. They later tried to retract the statement, when he did not back down. But, he was unable to go back to Vietnam back in November 2012, for fear that they would do something to him if he went to visit.

There are ancient Cham towers that still remain in these indigenous areas. These towers are currently being funded by UNESCO for up keep and maintenance to benefit the tourism industry. These towers are highly visited by tourist all over the world. The profit received does not benefit any of the Cham people, nor the villages in which the towers exist. It is a direct violation of the terms of agreement for the UNESCO funding.

These are just a few of the incidences against the Cham people, that have recently been relayed and documented. Many go undocumented because most people are in fear of their lives and their families lives if they speak out and protest the wrongful actions of the government.

From the F.L.M to Fulro (1955-1975)

Post-FULRO Events (1975-2004)

The Uprising of the Central Highlanders in February 2001

DEGAR FOUNDATION, INC | The True Voice of Degar People!

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VN Uses Dogs To Attack Degar Christian | DEGAR FOUNDATION, INC

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The Montagnards - North Carolina Digital History

Persecution of Degar Montagnards Continues | Worthy Christian News

Vietnam religious minorities face persecution says activist < Swiss news | Expatica Switzerland

20/02/2012Vietnam religious minorities face persecution says activist

Authorities in Vietnam deliberately persecute and discriminate against religious minorities, a Vietnamese human rights campaigner told the UN on Monday.
"The indigenous Montagnards and the Hmongs are among the ethnic groups who have borne the brunt of the Vietnamese governments discriminatory policies," Vo Van Ai, president of the Vietnam Committee on Human Rights said.
He cited the cases of members of the Unified Buddhist Church of Vietnam (UBCV), the Hoa Hao -- a Chinese minority --, the Cao Dai and Buddhist Khmer Krom who face persecution.
Ai told the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination in Geneva that these minorities "are subject to imprisonment, torture, house arrest, police surveillance, intimidation and harassment in their daily lives."
The head of the UBCV, Thich Quang Go, is "still under house arrest at Thanh Minhh Zen monastery after nearly 30 years in various forms of detention for the peaceful advocacy of religious freedom".
"Ethnic and religious minorities in Vietnam suffer serious violations of their political and economic rights, such as expropriation from ancestral lands, population displacement," said Ai.
He cited also "state-sponsored migration of Kinh people into minority regions, religious persecution, arbitrary arrest and disappearances."

© 2012 AFP

http://montagnard-foundation.org/wp/2011/07/08/1458

Luke Simpkins sheds light on the discriminatory practices of the Vietnamese government against the Montagnards and asks that the Hanoi return land to the indigenous people and free Montagnard political prisoners.
Below is a speech published by Montagnard Foundation:
Today [6 July 2011] I speak of the oppression and the persecution of the Montagnard people who live in the Central Highlands of Vietnam. Prior to the Vietnam War, the Montagnards lived in hill tribe societies existing primarily through agriculture, hunting and gathering. Today, however, the Montagnards have found themselves marginalised minorities and in the words of Human Rights Watch 'have been repressed for decades'. This is due to an increasing program of ethnic relocations, beginning in the mid-1950s after the withdrawal of the French with groups being moved from the north as the Communist government in North Vietnam began to assert control over the region. The current government of Vietnam continues with this land confiscation and forced relocations as well as targeting Christian Montagnards with religious persecution.
There is a long history of issues between the Vietnamese and the Montagnard people because, while the Vietnamese are racially diverse themselves, they do share language and culture but the Montagnard do not share that commonality. The Montagnards have for several decades sensed that their language and culture were under threat, including land ownership, education, resources and political domination. Formal opposition to the domination by the Vietnamese began in 1958 as the tribes united and even formed a military force, known as the United Front for the Liberation of Oppressed Races.
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I am fortunate to have as a constituent a leading Western human rights activist, the Australian lawyer and writer Scott Johnson. Scott has been to the Central Highlands and he has seen the terrible conditions of poverty under which the Montagnards live. Scott has told me that there is no evidence whatsoever of Montagnard resistance movements that advocates armed opposition and violence. Yet there is paranoia from the Vietnamese government who choose to see the refusal of Montagnards to worship in the state controlled churches as a cover for an independence movement.

A report from Human Rights Watch released in March this year reported that since 2001 more than 350 Montagnards have been sentenced to long prison sentences, all based on vague national security charges, because of their involvement in public protests and in unregistered house churches, the only way to worship if you refuse to be in a state controlled church. I find it incredible that such nebulous charges as undermining national solidarity or disrupting security can result in a person being jailed, but that is the reality in Vietnam. I also note that Human Rights Watch report that some 25 Montagnard prisoners have died while in custody or shortly after release.
I really do wonder how the government of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam think on these matters. They confiscate land and give it to non-Montagnard people. They oppress those who wish to worship freely and then, when there is resentment and protest, the Communist officials actually wonder why. It seems that this is a case of delusional paranoia. If the Vietnamese government left the Montagnards alone, they would not have such problems.

I thank Scott Johnson for his assistance to me and of course I thank him for his great work toward achieving justice for the Montagnards. I conclude by calling upon the government of Vietnam to restore the ancestral lands they have taken from the Montagnards, to release the hundreds of Montagnard religious and political prisoners currently held in Vietnam and to allow religious freedom across Vietnam. At the moment, that does not exist.

UNPO: Report on the 20th session of the Working Group on Indigenous Populations (Second day - Afternoon)

Chang Yang, Hmong International Human Rights Watch
This is our fifth time to testify at WGIP. We ask for two things

1) Stop ethnic cleansing of Hmong in Laos.
2) Give access to refugees in Laos and Thailand.

The Hmong capitol has disappeared. When the Laos and Vietnamese community captured the Hmong, they would cut off the penis off and place in the mouth. For the women captured, they are raped and killed. All have sharp object shoved from the vagina to the chest cavity. For children captured, they have toes cut off and also head bashed on trees. Mr. Chair, this is a new century.

Vietnam is a member of the family of nations. We have picture of top Vietnamese General and his officers killed in 1998. They came to kill the Hmong people. I have pictures of the innocent people slaughtered by Vietnamese government. The people are coming to kill the Hmong people. The Hmong refugee that live in Laos and Thailand should be granted refugee status
 
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I see many daydreamer posts here about how much of southern China belongs to Vietnam and I'd like to remind all fellow readers about the official statistics for these provinces of China. Lets end this fake history of Vietnam here and now.

The ancient Chinese kingdom of &#21335;&#36234; was founded by Zhao Tuo &#36213;&#20311; (who hailed from Hebei province) and consisted of modern Yunnan, Guangdong, and Guangxi provinces respectively. Without more ado let us see where Vietnamese are the majority in these provinces!

Yunnan:
Han &#8211; 67%
Yi &#8211; 11%
Bai &#8211; 3.6%
Hani &#8211; 3.4%
Zhuang &#8211; 2.7%
Dai &#8211; 2.7%
Miao &#8211; 2.5%
Hui &#8211; 1.5%
Zang &#8211; 0.3%
De'ang -0.19%

Guangdong:
Han - 99%
Zhuang - 0.7%
Yao - 0.2%

Guangxi:
Han - 62%
Zhuang - 32%
Yao - 3%
Miao - 1%
Dong - 0.7%
Vietnamese - 0.6%
Gelao - 0.4%

As a tribute to Zhao Tuo, I will also throw in his home province of Hebei!

Hebei:
Han: 96%
Man: 3%
Hui: 0.8%
Menggu: 0.3%

Be very careful not to miss the Vietnamese in the statistics! These provinces were never apart of Vietnam and have never had any sizable Vietnamese presence. Kids, it is far more likely that Vietnam is a part of China! Now, lets stay on the topic of real Vietnamese history instead of baloney crap please! Case closed :closed:
 
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Then, come to VN and find out the Truth, dont just take some trash on internet and post them here.:pop:

Isn't posting trash on the internet (including this forum) your daily job? Such as claiming Vietnam can dominate the entire ASEAN, drive "US dogs" out and bully its neighbors into submission, claiming Vietnam can destroy Indonesia with scud missles (in real life the soviet crap will fall into the ocean), claiming Vietnam can defeat Taiwan and take Taiping island, threatening to genocide Hoa people, and saying Vietnam will even dare think of attacking oil tankers in the south china sea or take over Thailand and build the Kra acanal?

Your just another loud mouth nationalist spewing crap and you almost never post any sources to support your claims.
 
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@NiceGuy

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...am-their-current-situation-9.html#post4551652

I wonder about your good knowledge of history of Vietnam.

Indeed, to be frankly the Viets (ethnic called as Kinh) consider the ethnic minorities as slaves (traditionally we call them moi (nigger). And we are happy to be free from Han´s slavery, unlike the Tibetians, Mongols, etc...

Come on, China should thank Vietnam, even you don´t like us. Vietnam not only eliminated a hostile nation, but stopped a further expansion of Islam in SE Asia. Without our invasion, the region would look different today.

Even Cham, Khmers, Hmong and Laos and even Vietnamese in America confirm that Vietnamese Kinh are racists, Vietnamese say so themselves that they view other asians and minorities as inferior.
 
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Isn't posting trash on the internet (including this forum) your daily job? Such as claiming Vietnam can dominate the entire ASEAN, drive "US dogs" out and bully its neighbors into submission, claiming Vietnam can destroy Indonesia with scud missles (in real life the soviet crap will fall into the ocean), claiming Vietnam can defeat Taiwan and take Taiping island, threatening to genocide Hoa people, and saying Vietnam will even dare think of attacking oil tankers in the south china sea or take over Thailand and build the Kra acanal?

Your just another loud mouth nationalist spewing crap and you almost never post any sources to support your claims.
All what I said is the Truth, we r strongest force in ASEAN, we can defeat any other ASEAN nations in few weeks like what we did to Pol Pot in Cambodia. Without China traitor attacked us in the North from 1979 to 1988, then Thailand would fall into our hands and those US's dog like Thai King would live in exile in US now.

TW is too small to compete wt us, they even dare not fight against Phil. Taking Kra cannal is on good progress, Chinese-Thai King just learned a hard lesson from Thai-Camb's border conflict and Thai should understand that submit to VN is the Best choice , US is just too far and China is too weak to help her :pop:
 
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