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What kind of brainwashed boy you are.

Chinese were ruled by Mongolian and Manchus, Japanese etc... recently.
1. Mongolian (Golden Family)and Manchrrian were/are Chinese.
2. Japanese never rule the Whole China like they did to Vietnam.
3. Stop repeat the same nonsenses.
 
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1. Mongolian (Golden Family)and Manchrrian were/are Chinese.
2. Japanese never rule the Whole China like they did to Vietnam.
3. Stop repeat the same nonsenses.
actually whoever ruled China, foreigners or not, they became Chinese as soon as the rulers including their territories became annexed and sinized. correct?
 
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You forgot one very very important aspect: for the vast majority of the human history, we lead the world.

1. Mongolian (Golden Family)and Manchrrian were/are Chinese.
2. Japanese never rule the Whole China like they did to Vietnam.
3. Stop repeat the same nonsenses.

You both share the fate with your flags:

1. Manchus sold you Hongkong NanYue_ren to Britan , you were slaves of UK.
2. Japan won on First Sino-Japan war and Taiwan was part of Japan Empere. You were humiliated again by Japan in WW II.
3. Stop tell such joke like " vast majority of the human history, we lead the world ", its wet dream.
 
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Nobody cares if you claim from your paternal or maternal from your culture, what defines your ethnicity is the % of your blood. The Tran dynasty had 0.000001% Chinese blood in them while 99.99999% is Vietnamese blood so no nutcase would make a claim that a person who is 99.09999% Vietnamese by blood is a chinaman. Your Tang dynasty is 75% Turkic blood so it is nothing but a bunch of Turks who ruled China. On the other hand, you won't even find one Vietnamese dynasty or leader who has more than 5% Chinese blood in them.

What defines you as a Chinese in Viet Nam is both your parents must be Chinese and that is the ethnic Hoa. The Minh Huong is a term that refers to a group of Vietnamese who once had a Chinese ancestor in them some hundreds of years ago so they would be again 99.999% blood by Vietnamese with a drop of Chinese in them. You Chinese sure have a wonderful way of defining ethnicity, as long as person has 0.00000001% Chinese blood in them then that person is a chinaman. WTF

It's really hard to find Chinese women in Vietnam. Those Ming Chinese refugees who became Minh Huong were fleeing from a war and couldn't bring any women with them so they were forced to marry Vietnamese women.

The Tang Emperors made it a point to emphasize that their paternal lineage was Chinese. Family trees and geneaologies in China and Vietnam are only traced through the paternal line. No amount of PC crap will change this fact.

Read again the post of your countryman, he stated:

"No, most Southern Chinese are natives, for example in Guangdong, at least 40% of their paternal lineage and 80% maternal line are netive.O1-M119 make up 30% of Zhejiang males,while less than 4% of northern Chinese."

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...want-know-about-vietnam-11.html#ixzz2cqmCg214

I think he is objectively understand this matter. The testing for DNA is base on servey to random assess to samples, it was not collected DNA from all Cantonese. When Y chromosome haplogroup of Hans is existed in 60 % of collected samples, the rest of samples 40 % were their paternal lineage from native (Nan Yue) man. With other words 40 % of Cantonese are native Nan Yue_ren or 40 Millions native Nan Yue_ren living to day in Guang Dong province of China.

Your are stupid, that why another your countryman said to yo "f***k of from his comment". Do you remember ?

How Han are Taiwanese Han? Genetic Inference of Plains Indigenous Ancestry ... - Shu-Juo Chen - Google knygos

According to Y chromosome data, northern Chinese Han and southern Chinese Han have very similar paternal lineages. The Y-SNP 03-M122 is prevalent in both northern (54%) and southern Chinese Han (54%), while the prevalent lineages

How Han are Taiwanese Han? Genetic Inference of Plains Indigenous Ancestry ... - Shu-Juo Chen - Google knygos

Y chromosome data show that on average southern Chinese Han have a large paternal contribution from northern Chinese Han (82%). But mtDNA data show that southern Chinese Han have equal maternal contributions from northern Chinese Han (56%) and southern Chinese natives ( 44%) (Table 4A). The high paternal but lower maternal contribution from northern Chinese Han indicate strong sex-biased admixture in southern Chinese Han over the past two millennia (Wen et al. 2004). A more recent comparison of paternal and maternal data confirmed the sex-biased admixture in southern Chinese Han (Xue et al. 2008).

When we consider the admixture proportions of Fujian Han and Guangdong Han, the ancestors of Taiwanese Han, sex-biased admixture is even more evident than in the southern Chinese Han averages. Fujian Han are estimated to have a 100 percent paternal contribution from northern Chinese Han but only a 34 percent maternal contribution from northern Chinese Han. Guangdong Han are estimated to have 68 percent paternal but only 1 5 percent maternal contribution from northern Chinese Han. The maternal contributions from southern Chinese natives to Fujian and Guangdong Han were estimated as 66 percent and 85 percent (Table 3A), respectively. The extreme sex-biased contributions in Fujian Han and Guangdong Han indicate that the male ancestors of Taiwanese Han frequently intermarried with the female ancestors of southern Chinese natives before they migrated to Taiwan.

This sex-bias illustrates a significant feature of the Han expansion: many male migrants from northern China married women from local non-Han populations in the south. Therefore, the Han-grandfathers-Indigenous-grandmothers folk saying seems to apply generally to southern China over the past two millenia.


European Journal of Human Genetics - Abstract of article: A spatial analysis of genetic structure of human populations in China reveals distinct difference between maternal and paternal lineages

Abstract
Analyses of archeological, anatomical, linguistic, and genetic data suggested consistently the presence of a significant boundary between the populations of north and south in China. However, the exact location and the strength of this boundary have remained controversial. In this study, we systematically explored the spatial genetic structure and the boundary of north–south division of human populations using mtDNA data in 91 populations and Y-chromosome data in 143 populations. Our results highlight a distinct difference between spatial genetic structures of maternal and paternal lineages. A substantial genetic differentiation between northern and southern populations is the characteristic of maternal structure, with a significant uninterrupted genetic boundary extending approximately along the Huai River and Qin Mountains north to Yangtze River. On the paternal side, however, no obvious genetic differentiation between northern and southern populations is revealed.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v431/n7006/full/nature02878.html

Abstract
The spread of culture and language in human populations is explained by two alternative models: the demic diffusion model, which involves mass movement of people; and the cultural diffusion model, which refers to cultural impact between populations and involves limited genetic exchange between them. The mechanism of the peopling of Europe has long been debated, a key issue being whether the diffusion of agriculture and language from the Near East was concomitant with a large movement of farmers. Here we show, by systematically analysing Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA variation in Han populations, that the pattern of the southward expansion of Han culture is consistent with the demic diffusion model, and that males played a larger role than females in this expansion. The Han people, who all share the same culture and language, exceed 1.16 billion (2000 census), and are by far the largest ethnic group in the world. The expansion process of Han culture is thus of great interest to researchers in many fields.
 
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You both share the fate with your flags:

1. Manchus sold you Hongkong NanYue_ren to Britan , you were slaves of UK.
2. Japan won on First Sino-Japan war and Taiwan was part of Japan Empere. You were humiliated again by Japan in WW II.
3. Stop tell such joke like " vast majority of the human history, we lead the world ", its wet dream.

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(A) Germany lost a lot of territories from Belgium, France, Poland, Russia; Turkey lost lots of its land from Russia, Greece, etc.; Japan lost its islands from Russia; Spain lost its important port from Britian... yet China has already taken back Hong Kong and Macau, who is the winner.
(B) That was "lost", not "sold".

2.
(A) Said the one who lost its WHOLE land from its neighbors China, France and Japan.
(B) Japan lost the war in WW2.
(C) At least Taiwan no longer belongs to Japan.

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I'm criticizing your unbelievable stupid nonsenses, not his.

actually whoever ruled China, foreigners or not, they became Chinese as soon as the rulers including their territories became annexed and sinized. correct?

Nope, it is not a matter of "becoming Chinese".
 
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We kept korea divided???

We have donated tens of thousand of lives in korea and you, the same like those n.k. bastards, say we China kept it divided???

Without China, n.k. has already been obliterated already.

Without China, if not France, U.S. would have already burnt your axx hundred of times already.

What a bunch of idiots.

amazing...look yourself at a mirror, double-faced suits more to your character during the war. China´s goal was to keep Vietnam weak and divided (Korean model), while Vietnam wanted to expell the Americans and seek re-unification. Only the Soviets delivered what North Vietnam needed to win the war.

Ho Chi Minh knew that.

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stalin sent most of its support to kmt, you are such an ignorant fxxk.

stalin stole outer mongolia from China, who the hell betrayed who???

It shows China policy towards vn is very correct: pounding this sob if it dares to do anything harmful to any surrounding countries. China will keep you in a leash. Unfortunately, that is your destiny for thousand of years and it will be like that in the future.

China is typical double face ignorant, betrayal in policy, you kiss @ of Stalin and Soviet, socialist countries to help you win on civil war in China. You betrayed all of your allies in cold war. China used NK and Vietnam like black chess to bargain with USA to open fence to mad dog run out to relax. But I reminder you that don't run out too far.

stalin sent most of its support to kmt, you are such an ignorant fxxk.

stalin stole outer mongolia from China, who the hell betrayed who???

It shows China policy towards vn is very correct: pounding this sob if it dares to do anything harmful to any surrounding countries. China will keep you in a leash. Unfortunately, that is your destiny for thousand of years and it will be like that in the future.

China is typical double face ignorant, betrayal in policy, you kiss @ of Stalin and Soviet, socialist countries to help you win on civil war in China. You betrayed all of your allies in cold war. China used NK and Vietnam like black chess to bargain with USA to open fence to mad dog run out to relax. But I reminder you that don't run out too far.
 
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I don't care too much about ancient history. Here are the recent history of Vietnam and is still happening. The after effect of Agent Orange sprayed the US which the Vietnamese are now kissing up to.

Agent Orange: Vietnamese children suffering effects of herbicide sprayed by US Army 40 years ago | Mail Online

Generation Orange: Heartbreaking portraits of Vietnamese children suffering from devastating effects of toxic herbicide sprayed by US Army 40 years ago

They were born decades after American forces had sprayed the herbicide dioxin Agent Orange in South Vietnam, but some children living in the region today continue to suffer from the horrifying effects of the chemical.
New York City-based photographer Brian Dricscoll traveled to Vietnam to document the everyday struggles of third generation Agent Orange victims battling dozens of serious ailments, physical deformities and mental disorders.
Driscoll was inspired to take up this difficult topic by his uncle, a Vietnam War veteran who may have been one of estimated 2.6 million U.S. soldiers believed to have been exposed to Agent Orange in the 1960s.

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Deformed: Nguyen and Hung Vuong Pham, 14, and 15, await their daily bathing in the Kim Dong district of Hai Phong, Vietnam. Their days are occupied watching people pass by the front area of their home

The American photographer traveled to Hanoi and tracked down a group of young Vietnamese whose health has been ravaged by the chemical, the site Feature Shoot reported.
For three weeks, Mr Driscoll made his way south through remote villages, ending his journey in Nha Trang about 640 miles from the capital.
During his travels, Driscoll got to meet and take pictures of teenagers and children as young as 5 suffering from debilitating conditions, among them Nguyen Pham, 11, who is deaf, blind and mute. The boy has been bed-ridden for most of his life.
Agent Orange is the combination of the code names for Herbicide Orange and Agent LNX, one of the herbicides and defoliants used by the U.S. military as part of its chemical warfare program, Operation Ranch Hand, during the Vietnam War from 1961 to 1971.
In the course of 10 years, American forces sprayed nearly 20million gallons of the chemical in Vietnam, Laos and parts of Cambodia in an effort to deprive guerrilla fighters of cover by destroying plants and trees where they could find refuge.

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The forgotten: Suffering from a distorted reality, Nguyen Tran Ho, 11, gazes out from his bed (top); Thom Le Pham (bottom) gives a look of despair at home in the Benh Vien district, Danang Vietnam

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Heart-wrenching sight: Phirum Ung, 5, third generation Agent Orange victim, naps in a hammock at home in Beng Melea Province, Cambodia. Most days are spent with his mother pan-handling at the Angkor Wat Temples

The chemical was manufactured for the U.S. Department of Defense by Monsanto Corporation and Dow Chemical. It got its name from the color of the orange-striped 55-gallon barrels in which it was shipped to Asia.
Jeanne Stellman, of the Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health, estimated that up to 4.5 million Vietnamese were living in the 3,181 villages that were directly in the spray paths and were potentially exposed to the herbicide.
According to the Vietnam Red Cross, about 1 million Vietnamese have been affected by Agent Orange, including 150,000 children suffering from birth defects, CNN reported.

article-0-1B6F2903000005DC-836_470x423.jpg

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Shocking figures: The Vietnam Red Cross estimated that about 1 million Vietnamese have been affected by Agent Orange, including 150,000 children suffering from birth defects

The U.S. government, however, has dismissed these figures as unreliable and inflated.
Among the illnesses contracted by people exposed to the dioxin are non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, several varieties of cancer, type 2 diabetes, soft tissue sarcoma, birth defects in children, spina bifida and reproductive abnormalities, to name a few.
Earlier this month, the Association for Victims of Agent Orange in Ho Chi Minh City has filed its fourth lawsuit against American chemical companies that produced Agent Orange.
 
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Vietnam still communist or chinese communist as in only communist in name.

Also, was vietnam communism as crazy as china's ever in its history?

How open is vietnam right now?
 
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We kept korea divided???

We have donated tens of thousand of lives in korea and you, the same like those n.k. bastards, say we China kept it divided???

Without China, n.k. has already been obliterated already.

Without China, if not France, U.S. would have already burnt your axx hundred of times already.

What a bunch of idiots.



stalin sent most of its support to kmt, you are such an ignorant fxxk.

stalin stole outer mongolia from China, who the hell betrayed who???

It shows China policy towards vn is very correct: pounding this sob if it dares to do anything harmful to any surrounding countries. China will keep you in a leash. Unfortunately, that is your destiny for thousand of years and it will be like that in the future.



stalin sent most of its support to kmt, you are such an ignorant fxxk.

stalin stole outer mongolia from China, who the hell betrayed who???

It shows China policy towards vn is very correct: pounding this sob if it dares to do anything harmful to any surrounding countries. China will keep you in a leash. Unfortunately, that is your destiny for thousand of years and it will be like that in the future.

Stalin supported the Second East Turkestan Republic and the Communist Secular Uyghur Separatist Ehmetjan Qasim against the KMT in the Ili rebellion.

In fact, the Soviets supported secular Uyghur intellectuals to forment separatism against China since the 1920s. The Governor of Xinjiang, Yang Zengxin was supported by the conservative, religious Uyghur mullahs and clerics who promoted traditional Islamic education against separatist Uyghur jadidists and pro Soviet Uyghurs, who wanted to replace religious education with secular subjects.

And you were screaming about how evil religious schools were.
 
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I don't care too much about ancient history. Here are the recent history of Vietnam and is still happening. The after effect of Agent Orange sprayed the US which the Vietnamese are now kissing up to.

Agent Orange: Vietnamese children suffering effects of herbicide sprayed by US Army 40 years ago | Mail Online

Generation Orange: Heartbreaking portraits of Vietnamese children suffering from devastating effects of toxic herbicide sprayed by US Army 40 years ago

They were born decades after American forces had sprayed the herbicide dioxin Agent Orange in South Vietnam, but some children living in the region today continue to suffer from the horrifying effects of the chemical.
New York City-based photographer Brian Dricscoll traveled to Vietnam to document the everyday struggles of third generation Agent Orange victims battling dozens of serious ailments, physical deformities and mental disorders.
Driscoll was inspired to take up this difficult topic by his uncle, a Vietnam War veteran who may have been one of estimated 2.6 million U.S. soldiers believed to have been exposed to Agent Orange in the 1960s.

article-0-1B6F2857000005DC-10_964x637.jpg

Deformed: Nguyen and Hung Vuong Pham, 14, and 15, await their daily bathing in the Kim Dong district of Hai Phong, Vietnam. Their days are occupied watching people pass by the front area of their home

The American photographer traveled to Hanoi and tracked down a group of young Vietnamese whose health has been ravaged by the chemical, the site Feature Shoot reported.
For three weeks, Mr Driscoll made his way south through remote villages, ending his journey in Nha Trang about 640 miles from the capital.
During his travels, Driscoll got to meet and take pictures of teenagers and children as young as 5 suffering from debilitating conditions, among them Nguyen Pham, 11, who is deaf, blind and mute. The boy has been bed-ridden for most of his life.
Agent Orange is the combination of the code names for Herbicide Orange and Agent LNX, one of the herbicides and defoliants used by the U.S. military as part of its chemical warfare program, Operation Ranch Hand, during the Vietnam War from 1961 to 1971.
In the course of 10 years, American forces sprayed nearly 20million gallons of the chemical in Vietnam, Laos and parts of Cambodia in an effort to deprive guerrilla fighters of cover by destroying plants and trees where they could find refuge.

article-0-1B6F28DF000005DC-641_470x423.jpg

article-0-1B6F28EF000005DC-898_470x423.jpg

The forgotten: Suffering from a distorted reality, Nguyen Tran Ho, 11, gazes out from his bed (top); Thom Le Pham (bottom) gives a look of despair at home in the Benh Vien district, Danang Vietnam

article-0-1B6F28CB000005DC-742_964x641.jpg

Heart-wrenching sight: Phirum Ung, 5, third generation Agent Orange victim, naps in a hammock at home in Beng Melea Province, Cambodia. Most days are spent with his mother pan-handling at the Angkor Wat Temples

The chemical was manufactured for the U.S. Department of Defense by Monsanto Corporation and Dow Chemical. It got its name from the color of the orange-striped 55-gallon barrels in which it was shipped to Asia.
Jeanne Stellman, of the Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health, estimated that up to 4.5 million Vietnamese were living in the 3,181 villages that were directly in the spray paths and were potentially exposed to the herbicide.
According to the Vietnam Red Cross, about 1 million Vietnamese have been affected by Agent Orange, including 150,000 children suffering from birth defects, CNN reported.

article-0-1B6F2903000005DC-836_470x423.jpg

article-0-1B6F28C3000005DC-159_470x423.jpg

Shocking figures: The Vietnam Red Cross estimated that about 1 million Vietnamese have been affected by Agent Orange, including 150,000 children suffering from birth defects

The U.S. government, however, has dismissed these figures as unreliable and inflated.
Among the illnesses contracted by people exposed to the dioxin are non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, several varieties of cancer, type 2 diabetes, soft tissue sarcoma, birth defects in children, spina bifida and reproductive abnormalities, to name a few.
Earlier this month, the Association for Victims of Agent Orange in Ho Chi Minh City has filed its fourth lawsuit against American chemical companies that produced Agent Orange.

Agent Orange was used material mixed with jet fuel in Vietnam, eastern Laos and parts of Cambodia, also was only used between 1965 and 1970.

And other herbicides were used by the US military from the late 1940s through the 1970s in US.


On January 31, 2004, a victim's rights group, the Vietnam Association for Victims of Agent Orange/dioxin (VAVA), filed a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York in Brooklyn, against several U.S. companies for liability in causing personal injury in Vietnam war.

The case was appealed and heard by the Second Circuit Court of Appeals on June 18, 2007. The Court of Appeals upheld the dismissal of the case, stating the herbicides used during the war were not intended to be used to poison humans and therefore did not violate international law. The US Supreme Court declined to consider the case.

U.S.–Vietnamese government is followed negotiations on Help for those whos are affected in Vietnam and to assist to cleaning all area where were effected.
 
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That's too bad that the US didn't accept the responsibility in causing so much suffering to the Vietnamese people, as stated by you and in the article.
It just amazes that that Vietnamese could cozy up to the US so quickly (50 years is not a long time) after all they had done, and basically told you to get lost.
Forgiveness is one thing. Embracing someone who did these to you is another. I couldn't wrap my head around it.
 
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That's too bad that the US didn't accept the responsibility in causing so much suffering to the Vietnamese people, as stated by you and in the article.
It just amazes that that Vietnamese could cozy up to the US so quickly (50 years is not a long time) after all they had done, and basically told you to get lost.
Forgiveness is one thing. Embracing someone who did these to you is another. I couldn't wrap my head around it
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Well you can't really Vietnam to cozy U.S if you look at how Japanese suck up with U.S even they got nuked, I guess it's part of human nature.
 
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Is it? Really? What part of human nature is that? Would you do that?

I am surprised that it came from you, from the Chinese who were up in arm about the Japanese when they refused to apologize property of what they had done to you 65 years ago.
But it is human nature for the Vietnamese to not only forgive and forget, but to embrace the US who poisoned their countrymen and refused to compensate and apologize.

The double standard is glaring.
 
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Is it? Really? What part of human nature is that? Would you do that?

Looking for short term interest is part of hunan nature, Vietnam need U.S as counter-weight to China, so it is willing to swallow historical humiliation and desasters, same go for Japan: Sometime you just hate to do something you don't like but you just don't have better choice or alternative...I guess I won't do better than other human in this planet.
 
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Fair enough. I did add some more to what I posted earlier. I guess you didn't catch it. Sorry about that.
 
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