Hindu Man EXPOSES Muslim Conquest of INDIA - LBC

[Azadkashmir]

Thank god for pakistan i dont have to worry about being lynched or having family raped.
I mean Indian got india look at the state no toilets, rapes, lynchings, rss hitler, GMO, masturbating in public, contaminated water etc.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Thank god for pakistan i dont have to worry about being lynched or having family raped.
I mean Indian got india look at the state no toilets, rapes, lynchings, rss hitler, GMO, masturbating in public, contaminated water etc.

Yet you still rank far below us in HDI, which used as an indicator of social development. But I agree, it is good we separated as it is clear we cannot live together in peace, unfortunately.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Still nowhere near s brutal as Aurangzeb and Babur and Ghaznvi. And if the Marathas were as bad as you said, why did they have overwhelming public support throughout India? If the MArathas were criminals for fighting tyranny, so were the Mughals for destroying temples, imposing Jizya on poor Hindu farmers, and trying to eradicate Hinduism and buddhism from India. FOrutnately, they failed miserably thanks to xuccessful Hindu resistance. You are just butthurt your heroes got their asses handed to them by the Marathas. Poor Aurangzeb had to die knowing he will never fulfill his dream of completely conquering the Deccan. Its a good thing he did not know that decades after his death, his empire would be completely destroyed, and Hindus will rule almost the entirety of South Asia for centuries to come.

So much hate in your brand washed mind for Muslim rulers. As always, Hindutva ideologues think facts only belong to them.

The reality is that Muslim rulers considered Hindus (rightly or wrongly) as people of the book, granting them access to their own religious courts and their own judges, having their own dietary laws, and preserving/funding Hindu temples (as long they remained loyal.)

Muslim rulers employed Hindus as ministers, with Aurangzeb having the greatest numbers of high-ranking Hindu civil servants, ministers, generals in his government.

BJP and right wing Hindutva propaganda flies in the face of facts. The Mughal empire was Sindh and Hind, and at one time contained 25% of the wealth of the world. Their great monuments, gardens, cities, roads, caravanserais, technological innovations, and great patronage of the arts, language, poetry, music, cuisine, dress, and diversity is a testament to their forward and modern mindset.

Dilli Sultanat and the Mughal empire marked Sindh and Hindustan on the maps of every civilization, and showed the greatness of their rule to the whole world. Taj Mahal, Charminar, Agra Fort, Badshahi Masjid, grave of Shah Jahan, Lahore Fort, Makli Tombs, Shah Rukn e Alam, and other great monuments stand as proof of their mighty and prosperous rule.

If the Marathas were criminals, the Mughals were Nazis. Infact, more people were killed in the Mughal invasions of the Indian subcontinent(India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh) than victims of the so-called holocaust. I respect the fact you hate the Marathas for destroying your empires, but do not distort history.

False equivalence. Comparing Maratha arsonists and anarchists to the the great Mughal emperors who brought so many Hindus out of poverty and backwardness, brought modern education, sciences, poetry, literature to an impoverished region for the first time.

We know this very well. You are unaware of all the benevolence of Muslim rulers towards Hindus. Much of the rhetoric to support Hindu hate against Aurangzeb is a recent phenomena from the pre-partition era, it has been proven false by numerous authors including Hindus, Muslims, and British ones.

Your eschewed view of our shared history caused us to formulate the Two Nation Theory and to form Pakistan (and Bangladesh) because you Hindutva fanatics are still obsessed with revenge, anger, and hate.

Unfortunately those Indian Muslims who supported you in partition and afterwards are suffering the most due to your misguided attempts at righting supposed wrongs of historical Muslim leaders and seeking revenge against men who have long since been laid to rest.

Using the prism of modern events, it is abundantly clear that you cannot nor can you let anyone else have a positive view of Muslim rulers of Sindh and Hindustan. Your whole identity politics are based on fabrications, lies, deceit, and manipulations.

You should have taken heed of the words of Quaid e Azam and Allama Iqbal, you may have been able to live in peace with Non-Hindus.

Showing a Saudi nutjob praising Aurangazeb is equivalent to the same nutjob praising the ISIS Caliph. The only reason why you lot like him, is because he managed to forcefully impose jiziya.

That video was not posted for you. Your hate of Arabs shows your true feelings for all Muslims. This man is a great scholar and a historian. Try watching the video if you want to critique him.

Daesh are Khwarij and Non-Muslims, because they reject the edicts of the Quran and reject The Sunnah. This is why no Muslim scholar recognizes them.

Hindus and Sikhs had to pay Jizya, while Muslims had to pay Zakat. Mughals used much of the money given by Non-Muslims in their own regions to increase their standard of living by temple constructions, public gardens, agricultural innovations, and feeding the economically depressed segments. The proof is all around you.

 

[Hamza913]

the progeny of those they khadedoed

How many times are you idiots going to keep screaming that nonsense? YOU were the ones that got conquered, our ancestors either came from them or converted to Islam and helped them kick your teeth in.

Just because you got humiliated doesn't mean you need to lie that we did too.

I am not governed by any law written by some book a 1000 years ago.

Yes, you are. Most of your country's laws are derived from sources even older than 1,000 years.

I use something called my head.

Clearly it doesn't work very well.

I can blow enough holes in your Muslim first theory in the practical world.

No you can't, religious Muslims pretty much all view themselves as Muslim first, and those that don't simply aren't considered Muslim. There's no 'hole' to be blown.

 

[padamchen]

How many times are you idiots going to keep screaming that nonsense? YOU were the ones that got conquered, our ancestors either came from them or converted to Islam and helped them kick your teeth in.

Just because you got humiliated doesn't mean you need to lie that we did too.

You my friend are the idiot.

My ancestors led armies in Shivaji Maharaj's Gujarat campaigns.

Don't teach me about who played football with whose bedhadh heads.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Hamza913]

My ancestors led armies in Shivaji Maharaj's Gujarat campaigns.

And mine pillaged Hindustan under the Muslim Empires.

Don't teach me about who played football with whose bedhadh heads.

Clearly, you do need to be taught since you hold some factually incorrect views.

 

[padamchen]

And mine pillaged Hindustan under the Muslim Empires.



Clearly, you do need to be taught since you hold some factually incorrect views.

There's nothing factually incorrect about what I've said.

Maratha history is well chronicled and very clear for the world to see.

Anything that tries to skirt around the issue of Marathas destroying the Mughal empire and capturing the whole of the subcontinent from Attock to Cuttack is revisionist calisthenics.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Hamza913]

There's nothing factually incorrect about what I've said.

Yes there is, you claimed that Muslims from Pakistan/Hindustan are just the product of the Muslim invasions rather than the cause.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

And mine pillaged Hindustan under the Muslim Empires.



Clearly, you do need to be taught since you hold some factually incorrect views.

Nothing special about that, The various kngdoms and empires of SA took turns plundering each other. Virtually every part of the subcontinent was plundered by a foreign power at some point. Althoug modern India was the last part to fall to invaders.

So much hate in your brand washed mind for Muslim rulers. As always, Hindutva ideologues think facts only belong to them.

The reality is that Muslim rulers considered Hindus (rightly or wrongly) as people of the book, granting them access to their own religious courts and their own judges, having their own dietary laws, and preserving/funding Hindu temples (as long they remained loyal.)

Muslim rulers employed Hindus as ministers, with Aurangzeb having the greatest numbers of high-ranking Hindu civil servants, ministers, generals in his government.

BJP and right wing Hindutva propaganda flies in the face of facts. The Mughal empire was Sindh and Hind, and at one time contained 25% of the wealth of the world. Their great monuments, gardens, cities, roads, caravanserais, technological innovations, and great patronage of the arts, language, poetry, music, cuisine, dress, and diversity is a testament to their forward and modern mindset.

Dilli Sultanat and the Mughal empire marked Sindh and Hindustan on the maps of every civilization, and showed the greatness of their rule to the whole world. Taj Mahal, Charminar, Agra Fort, Badshahi Masjid, grave of Shah Jahan, Lahore Fort, Makli Tombs, Shah Rukn e Alam, and other great monuments stand as proof of their mighty and prosperous rule.



False equivalence. Comparing Maratha arsonists and anarchists to the the great Mughal emperors who brought so many Hindus out of poverty and backwardness, brought modern education, sciences, poetry, literature to an impoverished region for the first time.

We know this very well. You are unaware of all the benevolence of Muslim rulers towards Hindus. Much of the rhetoric to support Hindu hate against Aurangzeb is a recent phenomena from the pre-partition era, it has been proven false by numerous authors including Hindus, Muslims, and British ones.

Your eschewed view of our shared history caused us to formulate the Two Nation Theory and to form Pakistan (and Bangladesh) because you Hindutva fanatics are still obsessed with revenge, anger, and hate.

Unfortunately those Indian Muslims who supported you in partition and afterwards are suffering the most due to your misguided attempts at righting supposed wrongs of historical Muslim leaders and seeking revenge against men who have long since been laid to rest.

Using the prism of modern events, it is abundantly clear that you cannot nor can you let anyone else have a positive view of Muslim rulers of Sindh and Hindustan. Your whole identity politics are based on fabrications, lies, deceit, and manipulations.

You should have taken heed of the words of Quaid e Azam and Allama Iqbal, you may have been able to live in peace with Non-Hindus.



That video was not posted for you. Your hate of Arabs shows your true feelings for all Muslims. This man is a great scholar and a historian. Try watching the video if you want to critique him.

Daesh are Khwarij and Non-Muslims, because they reject the edicts of the Quran and reject The Sunnah. This is why no Muslim scholar recognizes them.

Hindus and Sikhs had to pay Jizya, while Muslims had to pay Zakat. Mughals used much of the money given by Non-Muslims in their own regions to increase their standard of living by temple constructions, public gardens, agricultural innovations, and feeding the economically depressed segments. The proof is all around you.

What makes you think I have hatred for Muslims? I take great offence at you saying that. I respect muslims. It is bigots like you who hate everything to do with Hinduism and indigenous South Asian Culture. I am friends with many Muslims, including Paksitanis, and I have gotten along well with many Paksitanis on this forum like Taimur and Indus Pakistan. Even though we disagree often, we have civilized discussions, something which you are not capable of.

What makes you think the Taj Mahal and all those forts are the only good things India has? Do you think India did not have art, Music, poetry, roads, before the Mughals? And what is that garbage about the Mughals improving the lives of backwards Hindus? Under the Mauryan Empire, SA was one of the wealthiest regions in the world with infrastructure comparable to Rome and Han China. The Moghuls were more interested in looting indigenous South Asian Kingdoms and wasting that on extravagant but useless palaces and tombs. Why do you think the Mughals were bankrupt when Aurangzeb died? Because of the spending of SHah Jahan, plus Aurangzeb's war with the Marathas. Interestingly, your arguments about Hindus being uncivilized were the exact same the British gave to justify their colonialism. By that logic, you should be a big fan of British rule. After all, they gave South Asians railroads and the English language. Those were more beneficial to the people of South Asia than anything the Mughals brought.

And what makes you think I hate Mughal rulers. I do not. I repear, I do not hate Aurangzeb and the like. I look at history from a neutral view. The fact is the Mughals were brutal, but it was a brutal time period in a brutal region. It was kill or be killed, and for several centuries, the Mughals were the killers. They simply did what they had to do to survive. Obviously, there was a religious motivation, but survival and power were their primary motivations. Tell me, how were the Marathas any worse? They did what they had to do to liberate their lands from foreign invaders, and spread their power and influence like all South Asian rulers, Shivaji may have been a flawed ruler, but so was Aurangzeb. Like Aurangzeb, he did what he needed to. Initially, he lacked a strong army, so he used fuerilla raids. As his forces grew stronger, he used more conventional warfare. DO you have any proof that the Marathas killed more people than Aurangzeb? Or Babur and Ghazvni? Can you disprove the fact they had large public support in many parts of India? Can you at least understand why the people of Maharashtra(where they began) would want to resist what they felt were oppressive rulers? And can you provide solid proof the Mughals improved the life of the common Indian people? Can you aknowledge why Shivaji is so popular in many parts of the subcontinent even today? The fact is, you hate the Marathas for two reasons: They were Hindus, and you hate Hindus, and they defeated your heros. Well get over it, because you can't change history. And if a unified South Asia meant having to put up with people like you, than I thank Lord Ram for Jinnah.

What do you think about this, @Taimur Khurram ?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Nothing special about that, The various kngdoms and empires of SA took turns plundering each other. Virtually every part of the subcontinent was plundered by a foreign power at some point. Althoug modern India was the last part to fall to invaders.




What makes you think I have hatred for Muslims? I take great offence at you saying that. I respect muslims. It is bigots like you who hate everything to do with Hinduism and indigenous South Asian Culture. I am friends with many Muslims, including Paksitanis, and I have gotten along well with many Paksitanis on this forum like Taimur and Indus Pakistan. Even though we disagree often, we have civilized discussions, something which you are not capable of.

What makes you think the Taj Mahal and all those forts are the only good things India has? Do you think India did not have art, Music, poetry, roads, before the Mughals? And what is that garbage about the Mughals improving the lives of backwards Hindus? Under the Mauryan Empire, SA was one of the wealthiest regions in the world with infrastructure comparable to Rome and Han China. The Moghuls were more interested in looting indigenous South Asian Kingdoms and wasting that on extravagant but useless palaces and tombs. Why do you think the Mughals were bankrupt when Aurangzeb died? Because of the spending of SHah Jahan, plus Aurangzeb's war with the Marathas. Interestingly, your arguments about Hindus being uncivilized were the exact same the British gave to justify their colonialism. By that logic, you should be a big fan of British rule. After all, they gave South Asians railroads and the English language. Those were more beneficial to the people of South Asia than anything the Mughals brought.

And what makes you think I hate Mughal rulers. I do not. I repear, I do not hate Aurangzeb and the like. I look at history from a neutral view. The fact is the Mughals were brutal, but it was a brutal time period in a brutal region. It was kill or be killed, and for several centuries, the Mughals were the killers. They simply did what they had to do to survive. Obviously, there was a religious motivation, but survival and power were their primary motivations. Tell me, how were the Marathas any worse? They did what they had to do to liberate their lands from foreign invaders, and spread their power and influence like all South Asian rulers, Shivaji may have been a flawed ruler, but so was Aurangzeb. Like Aurangzeb, he did what he needed to. Initially, he lacked a strong army, so he used fuerilla raids. As his forces grew stronger, he used more conventional warfare. DO you have any proof that the Marathas killed more people than Aurangzeb? Or Babur and Ghazvni? Can you disprove the fact they had large public support in many parts of India? Can you at least understand why the people of Maharashtra(where they began) would want to resist what they felt were oppressive rulers? And can you provide solid proof the Mughals improved the life of the common Indian people? Can you aknowledge why Shivaji is so popular in many parts of the subcontinent even today? The fact is, you hate the Marathas for two reasons: They were Hindus, and you hate Hindus, and they defeated your heros. Well get over it, because you can't change history. And if a unified South Asia meant having to put up with people like you, than I thank Lord Ram for Jinnah.

What do you think about this, @Taimur Khurram ?

Since you ignored most of what I wrote, I think we are done here.

The rest of your points are just face-saving and mud-slinging.

So I basically understand from you that you change your own opinions depending on the audience. I noticed it when you first arrived here as a troll.

If you think you can make brother @Taimoor Khan fight me, you are mistaken.

You Hindutva fanatics can live in your fantasy history, but just be careful as the walls are caving in all around you. Modi’s failure may well be the death kneel to your ideology.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Since you ignored most of what I wrote, I think we are done here.

The rest of your points are just face-saving and mud-slinging.

So I basically understand from you that you change your own opinions depending on the audience. I noticed it when you first arrived here as a troll.

If you think you can make brother @Taimoor Khan fight me, you are mistaken.

You Hindutva fanatics can live in your fantasy history, but just be careful as the walls are caving in all around you. Modi’s failure may well be the death kneel to your ideology.

I am sorry what did I ignore? I thought I adequately addressed your posts. And if historical facts are face saving, than I am a major face saver. Tell me though, what have I said that is objectively false historically?

BTW, I did not tag taimoor to fight you. It is clear I have owned you myself. I asked him because I am genuinely curious of his opinion.

SInce you do not want to debate using facts and instead simply hurl insults and accusations at me, I think it may be for the best if you drop this discussion.

I am glad you condemned ISIS though. That is one thing we can agree on.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I am sorry what did I ignore? I thought I adequately addressed your posts. And if historical facts are face saving, than I am a major face saver. Tell me though, what have I said that is objectively false historically?

BTW, I did not tag taimoor to fight you. It is clear I have owned you myself. I asked him because I am genuinely curious of his opinion.

SInce you do not want to debate using facts and instead simply hurl insults and accusations at me, I think it may be for the best if you drop this discussion.

I am glad you condemned ISIS though. That is one thing we can agree on.

All Muslims condemn Daesh, just like we condemn Hindutva pigs.

Anyway, you can talk with yourself from now on.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

My opinions have never changed. My tone does however. If you read my posts, you'll notice my tone is differnet when debating a reasonable poster such as Taimoor or Indus Pakistan compared to a troll like you, even though we disagree.

I am just curious, are you going to answer the questions I asked? Those are
Is there objective proof the Marathas killed more than the Mughals and DS.
How did the Mughals improve the lives of ordinary Indians. Is there any objective proof India was better under the Mughals than the Mauryans, Marathas, and British?
If what you said about the Marathas is true, why did they have so much public support throughout the subcontinent? Why are they admired by so many Indians or various ethnicities and Religions?

Of course, you have ignored most of the links I posted to refute your claims, so I am not confident I will hear a response from you. Not surprising, because I am arguing based on facts while you are arguing based on emotions.

All Muslims condemn Daesh, just like we condemn Hindutva pigs.

Anyway, you can talk with yourself from now on.

Running away already are we? Nothing wrong with admitting defeat. Hope you have a good evening. Cheers.

 

[Hamza913]

Nothing special about that

Agreed, only brought it up since he did the same.

What do you think about this, @Taimur Khurram ?

I'll leave my response here:

And what is that garbage about the Mughals improving the lives of backwards Hindus?

The Muslim rule over South Asia certainly did improve the region greatly, especially during the reign of the Mughals (although, the Ghaznavids and Ghurids also did excellent things for Afghanistan and Pakistan).

The Moghuls were more interested in looting indigenous South Asian Kingdoms and wasting that on extravagant but useless palaces and tombs.

They didn't just build architecture, they also composed literature, developed cities/towns, kept the region in (relative) order, etc.

Why do you think the Mughals were bankrupt when Aurangzeb died? Because of the spending of SHah Jahan, plus Aurangzeb's war with the Marathas.

They both generated more than enough revenue to compensate for their large amount of spending.

Interestingly, your arguments about Hindus being uncivilized were the exact same the British gave to justify their colonialism. By that logic, you should be a big fan of British rule.

Not exactly, the British didn't develop the region as much as the Mughals did.

After all, they gave South Asians railroads and the English language. Those were more beneficial to the people of South Asia than anything the Mughals brought.

The Mughals did much more for the region than the British Empire did.

And can you provide solid proof the Mughals improved the life of the common Indian people?

Under Mughal rule, the GDP of South Asia made up 1/4th of the world's entire GDP. They used this revenue for many purposes (e.g building/developing plenty of towns/cities) that improved the life of the common man.

Can you aknowledge why Shivaji is so popular in many parts of the subcontinent even today?

He's only popular among Hindus and Hindustani nationalists.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Yes there is, you claimed that Muslims from Pakistan/Hindustan are just the product of the Muslim invasions rather than the cause.

They are still going on, in every thread, about Muslims being rape products or converting because they are cowards.

This should really be a ban-able offense.

Hindutva Rakshak are going to have a rude awakening when reality dawns on them.