Hindu Man EXPOSES Muslim Conquest of INDIA - LBC

[Cobra Arbok]

And I may be in the minority, but I do not see how the hindutwa movement is in anyway comparable to ISIS

Agreed, only brought it up since he did the same.



I'll leave my response here:



The Muslim rule over South Asia certainly did improve the region greatly, especially during the reign of the Mughals (although, the Ghaznavids and Ghurids also did excellent things for Afghanistan and Pakistan).



They didn't just build architecture, they also composed literature, developed cities/towns, kept the region in (relative) order, etc.



They both generated more than enough revenue to compensate for their large amount of spending.



Not exactly, the British didn't develop the region as much as the Mughals did.



The Mughals did much more for the region than the British Empire did.



Under Mughal rule, the GDP of South Asia made up 1/4th of the world's entire GDP. They used this revenue for many purposes (e.g building/developing plenty of towns/cities) that improved the life of the common man.



He's only popular among Hindus and Hindustani nationalists.

The Mughal Empire included Pakistan and BD though. Not to mention, it is hard to get an accurate measure of GDP, especially when we consider inflation. Anyway, GDP does not accurately measure the standards of living of ordinary people. In no way I am saying I do not admire Mughal architecture. With that being said, I do not think architecture alone justifies Mughal rule and invasions as he seems to think, especially when India has thousnads of years of indigenous architecture that I think is superior(Just my opinion of course)

As for the British vs. Mughuls, I disagree with your assertion that the Mughals were better economically for India. In no wasy do I admire the Brits, who were only in South Asia for colonial greed and self-enrichment. With that being said, they definitelybenefitted SA more in the long run. Railroads and English are good examples. Railroads allowed connection between Indian states which helped India's economy grow. Not to mention, railways provide a cheap mode of transport aafordable for most Indians. And English is what gave India the advantage in the Western-dominated global economy in the post WWII world over China. Why do you think India has a strong IT, outsourcing, and call center industry that provides jobs for tens of millions of Indians? The English language. Good English skills also makes it easier for Indians to migrate to the US and UK and send back remittances.

There are countless other examples, such as Tea, Sugar, and film, all of which were brought by the Brits and now benefit India economically. Although, now that I think about it, most of what I said applies mainly to modern India, as Pakistan does not have as long a railway system, or a strong IT and Film industry, and does not produce as much tea or sugar or other tropical cash crops as India. Maybe for Pakistan, the Moghuls were better.

One last thing. The Brits introduced cricket, biscuits, and Cadbury chocolates to India. I don't know how you can beat that

Also, I have to disagree about Shivaji not being popular among anyone other than Hindu nationalists. He is extremely popular among Maratis and Konkanis, regardless of caste and religion. As I mentioned before, I have a lot of family in Mumbai and have been there many times, and he is overall popular among the general population. He is also popular in other parts of India. That is because if you think about it, Shivaji was India's version of George Washington. Is Washington popular in Britain? Obviously not. Was he perfect? No. But he was largely responsible for taking down a global superpower that many Americans viewed as oppressive foreigners. Overall, Indians view SHivaji the way Pakistanis view Aurangzeb and Tipu Sultan. The irony is both those men were born in modern India, but that is besides the point.

BTW, I added a new post on my history of urbanization in India thread. You should check it out.

Always a pleasure to debate with you.

 

[Mugwop]

dalits and buddhists gloated and sided with muslims.
Even as of right now if a foreign force invaded india,Kashmiris and many minorities including india's neighboring countries will side with them. Ever wonder why?

 

[Cobra Arbok]

dalits and buddhists gloated and sided with muslims.
Even as of right now if a foreign force invaded india,Kashmiris and many minorities including india's neighboring countries will side with them. Ever wonder why?

Nice try but that is not true. Pakistani hindus and Sikhs will side with India against Pak under the right circumstances though.

Also, you do realize Modi is a Dalit?

 

[Mugwop]

Nice try but that is not true. Pakistani hindus and Sikhs will side with India against Pak under the right circumstances though.

Also, you do realize Modi is a Dalit?

It's true and you know it.That's what burns all bharti a**

HAHAHA! Poor bharti hindus can't even build a ram temple,started ghar wapsi to save their race. Cry on Pakistani forums. Why would Pakistani hindus side with them?

Pakistani sikhs are still not over the Golden Temple massacre

Yet you still rank far below us in HDI, which used as an indicator of social development. But I agree, it is good we separated as it is clear we cannot live together in peace, unfortunately.

Yet you still can't seem to separate yourself from this forum can you? AFter so many bans

 

[Cobra Arbok]

It's true and you know it.That's what burns all bharti a**

HAHAHA! Poor bharti hindus can't even build a ram temple,started ghar wapsi to save their race. Cry on Pakistani forums. Why would Pakistani hindus side with them?

Pakistani sikhs are still not over the Golden Temple massacre

The fact is india can continue to do whatever it wants in kashmir, and thre id nothing you can do but cry in UN and OIC. Indian muslims and dalits will support india against pakistan like they have in 47, 65, 71,and 99.

It's true and you know it.That's what burns all bharti a**

HAHAHA! Poor bharti hindus can't even build a ram temple,started ghar wapsi to save their race. Cry on Pakistani forums. Why would Pakistani hindus side with them?

Pakistani sikhs are still not over the Golden Temple massacre


Yet you still can't seem to separate yourself from this forum can you? AFter so many bans

i have only been banned twice. and its worth it showing all the pakistani trolls their place. and honestly, its fun to humiliate trolls and watch their asses burn.

I also make a lot of serious posts such as my history related threads. that is the main reason i stay. everything else is just extra.

And tbh, this forum is kind of addicting. the mods have done a good job with maintenance

 

[Mugwop]

The fact is india can continue to do whatever it wants in kashmir, and thre id nothing you can do but cry in UN and OIC. Indian muslims and dalits will support india against pakistan like they have in 47, 65, 71,and 99.

There is nothing we need to do in Kashmir. Kashmir is falling out of your hands and you play the blame game like a loser. Who cares about indian muslims? rss is rewarding them very well with forced conversions and beef accusations which they deserve

 

[Cobra Arbok]

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There is nothing we need to do in Kashmir. Kashmir is falling out of your hands and you play the blame game like a loser. Who cares about indian muslims? rss is rewarding them very well with forced conversions and beef accusations which they deserve

no its not. we are killing terrorists left and right. Did you hear how we just killed 8 of them? in the meantime there is nothing you can do but burn. and its a well known fact Paksitani Hindus and sikhs are jealous of their indian counterparts.

i wonder why you are attacking me so much compared to other members since i have only been here about a month. Is this hoe you treat new guys? So rude.

 

[Mugwop]

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no its not. we are killing terrorists left and right. Did you hear how we just killed 8 of them? in the meantime there is nothing you can do but burn. and its a well known fact indian jindus and sikhs are jealous of their indian counterparts.

i wonder why you are attacking me so much compared to other members since i have only been here about a month. Is this hoe you treat new guys? So rude.

Just 8 that's it

indian jindus?

What attack? Why do you feel so threatened?

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Just 8 that's it

indian jindus?

What attack? Why do you feel so threatened?

Please forgive me. I have grown weary from playing with trolls the past few hours.

Just 8 that's it

indian jindus?

What attack? Why do you feel so threatened?

The same reason you feel threatened whenever the Indian Army sends a Kashmiri terrorist six feet under.

Seriously, why do you care about Kashmir so much? I actually think its funny how angry Pakistanis get whenever Kashmiri youth are killed. I think all the violence is sad, but it is still amusing how worked up you guys get, knowing you cant do anything to change the situation

 

[Mugwop]

Please forgive me. I have grown weary from playing with trolls the past few hours.


The same reason you feel threatened whenever the Indian Army sends a Kashmiri terrorist six feet under.

Seriously, why do you care about Kashmir so much? I actually think its funny how angry Pakistanis get whenever Kashmiri youth are killed. I think all the violence is sad, but it is still amusing how worked up you guys get, knowing you cant do anything to change the situation

Look at my reaction properly does it look like I feel threatened by indian army who prey on the weak and despite outnumbering their enemy still can't beat them and never will.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Look at my reaction properly does it look like I feel threatened by indian army who prey on the weak and despite outnumbering their enemy still can't beat them and never will.

Except we are winning. I have to admit, it is funny to see you guys get so worked up though.

Seriously, why do you hate India so much? I do not hate Pakistan. I do despise trolls who do nothing but spout their distorted versions of history. That annoys me, which is why I get involved when I see it happen. As you can see, all of the trolls here stopped replying to me once they realized they can't counter my facts. Do you want me to extend my services to you?

 

[Mugwop]

Except we are winning. I have to admit, it is funny to see you guys get so worked up though.

Winning at what? You can't even counter my arguments but I countered all yours

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Oh btw, India has not disintegrated yet, and most of Kashmir is still in India. Looks like you will be waiting for a while.

Winning at what? You can't even counter my arguments but I countered all yours

WInning the war against terrorism in Kashmir both militarily and diplomatically.

If you still have questions, consult a map.

 

[GHALIB]

Oh btw, India has not disintegrated yet, and most of Kashmir is still in India. Looks like you will be waiting for a while.


WInning the war against terrorism in Kashmir both militarily and diplomatically.

If you still have questions, consult a map.

well said ,they have lost territories since 1947 .

Except we are winning. I have to admit, it is funny to see you guys get so worked up though.

Seriously, why do you hate India so much? I do not hate Pakistan. I do despise trolls who do nothing but spout their distorted versions of history. That annoys me, which is why I get involved when I see it happen. As you can see, all of the trolls here stopped replying to me once they realized they can't counter my facts. Do you want me to extend my services to you?

they hate india because of humiliation they suffered in 1971 .

 

[Cobra Arbok]

I fail to see how you countered my arguments, considering India has not disintegrated and we still have most of Kashmir. Ever since I have joined this forum, I have been hearing India will disintegrate but it has not. I do appreciate all the concern Pakistanis have for India, but they are becoming like the boy who cried wolf. Just replace wolf with "Hindutwa" and "Modi" because all they can do is cry about those things. I wonder though, why are Pakistanis so obsessed with Modi? Does the Gujarat massacre bring back bad memories?