Hindu Man EXPOSES Muslim Conquest of INDIA - LBC

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Why??
I read that some make him the sixth guided khalifa along with Yusuf bin tashfin, salahuddin ayyoubi, and Omar bin andulaziz the ummyad

This is a great video lecture about the life of Sultan Aurangzeb by a respected Saudi scholar. I encourage every Muslim to watch this video.

 

[surya kiran]

This is a great video lecture about the life of Sultan Aurangzeb by a respected Saudi scholar. I encourage every Muslim to watch this video.

This is like neo-nazis expousing the virtues of Hitler.

The start of the end of the Mughal Empire begins with Aurangazeb.

 

[Chakar The Great]

That guy i am sure would be publicly lynched and butchered , his family would be raped.

#incredibleindia

 

[Hamza913]

The actual truth of the matter is that the Muslims had been smashed (khadedoed is the term I favour) by the might of the Hindu swordarm, the Maratha.

The Durranis and Mysoreans were both fierce Muslims (the former even more than the Mughals), and completely curb-stomped the Marathas.

The "mighty Mughal empire" was Delhi.

Irrelevant, they were still Muslims and today, the people who follow a culture most similar to theirs are the Muslims in eastern Pakistan and north-west Hindustan.

Lahore was also a major Mughal city, and don't forget that Akbar as well as Shah Jahan were both born in Pakistan. Many Mughal soldiers and aristocrats also came from Pakistan.

the historical dustbin is already overflowing with the likes of Ghazni, Babur, the Khiljis, Aurangzeb, and the like. It looks like you guys will need to upgrad from a dustbin to a dumpster.

Meanwhile, Shivaji has one of the largest and busiest airports in the world named after him. it is clear who is in the dustbin

Ghaznavi is adored by Afghans and Pakistanis, with one of the worlds most potent weapons being named after him.

Babur is loved by Central Asians as well as Afghans and Pakistanis, he also has a rich legacy through the world renowned Mughal Empire and the Baburnama.

Khiliji's relatives (the Ghiliji Pashtuns) are abundant throughout Afghanistan and Pakistan, founding even more empires (e.g the Hotak dynasty) after his passing.

Aurangzeb is also adored by Pakistanis and Muslim Hindustanis, the book Fatawwa Al Hindiyyah (written under his rule) has had a great influence on the Muslim clergy throughout the sub-continent, and many magnificent structures (e.g the Badshahi Masjid) were built during his rule, as well as settlements (e.g my fathers town was founded by Aurangzeb).

Clearly, they all have some pretty impacting legacies.

Shivaji was a truly noble and brave warrior

He cut someone's hand off for trying to eat beef, he's not noble or brave. He was crazy.

Its a good thing India's capital is new dehli because if it were mumbai, pakistani diplomats would have to fly into an airport named after a man who destroyed their national heroes and conquered and sacked their lands.

Ironic considering some of you guys can't stop gushing over the Mughals.

The Maratha generals who laid down their lives in the Third Battle of Panipat were Muslim.

Them fighting against their fellow Muslims de facto makes them Murtads as per Islam.

Maratha first. Muslim second.

This also means that someone, no matter what else they do, would never be considered a Muslim as per Islam.

In Islam, you have to be Muslim before all else, you cannot place any other identity before or even equal to it, only after. Otherwise, you're no longer considered Muslim.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

The Durranis and Mysoreans were both fierce Muslims (the former even more than the Mughals), and completely curb-stomped the Marathas.



Irrelevant, they were still Muslims and today, the people who follow a culture most similar to theirs are the Muslims in eastern Pakistan and north-west Hindustan.

Lahore was also a major Mughal city, and don't forget that Akbar as well as Shah Jahan were both born in Pakistan. Many Mughal soldiers and aristocrats also came from Pakistan.



Ghaznavi is adored by Afghans and Pakistanis, with one of the worlds most potent weapons being named after him.

Babur is loved by Central Asians as well as Afghans and Pakistanis, he also has a rich legacy through the world renowned Mughal Empire and the Baburnama.

Khiliji's relatives (the Ghiliji Pashtuns) are abundant throughout Afghanistan and Pakistan, founding even more empires (e.g the Hotak dynasty) after his passing.

Aurangzeb is also adored by Pakistanis and Muslim Hindustanis, the book Fatawwa Al Hindiyyah (written under his rule) has had a great influence on the Muslim clergy throughout the sub-continent, and many magnificent structures (e.g the Badshahi Masjid) were built during his rule, as well as settlements (e.g my fathers town was founded by Aurangzeb).

Clearly, they all have some pretty impacting legacies.



He cut someone's hand off for trying to eat beef, he's not noble or brave. He was crazy.



Ironic considering some of you guys can't stop gushing over the Mughals.

hello taimoor. I was not saying the mughals were not brave and fierce warriors. I was just trying to correct soe misconceptions he had about the mughals and marathas. I respect brave warriors regardless of nationality, religion etc . You should not pay much attention to what I say to someone like him considering he does not have anywhere near as much class as someone like you. ifferent people require different treatment. As for what you said about shivaji, nobody is perfect. SA was a rutal place, which meant rulers/kings had to be brutal to survive.

good talking to you again.

The Durranis and Mysoreans were both fierce Muslims (the former even more than the Mughals), and completely curb-stomped the Marathas.



Irrelevant, they were still Muslims and today, the people who follow a culture most similar to theirs are the Muslims in eastern Pakistan and north-west Hindustan.

Lahore was also a major Mughal city, and don't forget that Akbar as well as Shah Jahan were both born in Pakistan. Many Mughal soldiers and aristocrats also came from Pakistan.



Ghaznavi is adored by Afghans and Pakistanis, with one of the worlds most potent weapons being named after him.

Babur is loved by Central Asians as well as Afghans and Pakistanis, he also has a rich legacy through the world renowned Mughal Empire and the Baburnama.

Khiliji's relatives (the Ghiliji Pashtuns) are abundant throughout Afghanistan and Pakistan, founding even more empires (e.g the Hotak dynasty) after his passing.

Aurangzeb is also adored by Pakistanis and Muslim Hindustanis, the book Fatawwa Al Hindiyyah (written under his rule) has had a great influence on the Muslim clergy throughout the sub-continent, and many magnificent structures (e.g the Badshahi Masjid) were built during his rule, as well as settlements (e.g my fathers town was founded by Aurangzeb).

Clearly, they all have some pretty impacting legacies.



He cut someone's hand off for trying to eat beef, he's not noble or brave. He was crazy.



Ironic considering some of you guys can't stop gushing over the Mughals.



Them fighting against their fellow Muslims de facto makes them Murtads as per Islam.



This also means that someone, no matter what else they do, would never be considered a Muslim as per Islam.

In Islam, you have to be Muslim before all else, you cannot place any other identity before or even equal to it, only after. Otherwise, you're no longer considered Muslim.

then why did saudis rebel against the ottomans?

 

[Hamza913]

he does not have anywhere near as much class as someone like you

I don't recall him saying anything rude or repulsive.

then why did saudis rebel against the ottomans?

Religious Saudis justify it by saying that at that point in time, the Ottomans were not practising Muslims so they had no authority over other Muslims.

Irreligious Saudis don't care and just consider them dirty oppressors.

I personally don't feel informed enough on the topic to have my own opinion.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

I don't recall him saying anything rude or repulsive.



Religious Saudis justify it by saying that at that point in time, the Ottomans were not practising Muslims so they had no authority over other Muslims.

Irreligious Saudis don't care and just consider them dirty oppressors.

I personally don't feel informed enough on the topic to have my own opinion.

maybe not to you but I felt he was misinformed about hitory and simply trying to insult hindus. At first I simply tried to post links to correct that misconcetion, but he refused to look at them and continued preaching his misconcetion. In general, th tone I use reflects who I am debating. Still, there are plenty of members who use harsher tones than me.

one thing I will say is that history is never as black and white as hindu vs. muslim. Especially in the subcontinnt. You are awarw the only reason the mughals rose to power was defeating the DS,? Many local muslim rulers also broke away from the ds and formed their own sultnate, such ss the gujarat sultanate. Also, te deccan sultsnates fougt against the mughals.


Just curious, what do you think of muslims serving in the US, Russian, and Indian armies? because those countries' milkitaries have been fighting gainst muslims for a while.

 

[surya kiran]

This also means that someone, no matter what else they do, would never be considered a Muslim as per Islam.

In Islam, you have to be Muslim before all else, you cannot place any other identity before or even equal to it, only after. Otherwise, you're no longer considered Muslim.

Like I said in my first post. 99% of this forum will not get the concept.

 

[Hamza913]

Like I said in my first post. 99% of this forum will not get the concept.

Because this concept is not recognised in Islam, you cannot denote your identity as a Muslim to being on par or inferior in status to your other identities, especially when the other ones are almost meaningless.

Don't tell us how our religion works, keep your nose in your own business.

Just curious, what do you think of muslims serving in the US, Russian, and Indian armies? because those countries' milkitaries have been fighting gainst muslims for a while.

I don't agree with that either. I even go one step further and think that Muslims shouldn't fight for the state army's of many countries who's inhabitants claim to be Muslim, but the latter opinion is an unpopular one.

 

[surya kiran]

Because this concept is not recognised in Islam, you cannot denote your identity as a Muslim to being on par or inferior in status to your other identities, especially when the other ones are almost meaningless.

Don't tell us how our religion works, keep your nose in your own business.

I am plainly stating facts. Historically validated facts. You do not believe it, your problem. I am not governed by any law written by some book a 1000 years ago. I use something called my head.

I can blow enough holes in your Muslim first theory in the practical world. So let's leave it at that.

 

[padamchen]

The Durranis and Mysoreans were both fierce Muslims (the former even more than the Mughals), and completely curb-stomped the Marathas.



Irrelevant, they were still Muslims and today, the people who follow a culture most similar to theirs are the Muslims in eastern Pakistan and north-west Hindustan.

Lahore was also a major Mughal city, and don't forget that Akbar as well as Shah Jahan were both born in Pakistan. Many Mughal soldiers and aristocrats also came from Pakistan.



Ghaznavi is adored by Afghans and Pakistanis, with one of the worlds most potent weapons being named after him.

Babur is loved by Central Asians as well as Afghans and Pakistanis, he also has a rich legacy through the world renowned Mughal Empire and the Baburnama.

Khiliji's relatives (the Ghiliji Pashtuns) are abundant throughout Afghanistan and Pakistan, founding even more empires (e.g the Hotak dynasty) after his passing.

Aurangzeb is also adored by Pakistanis and Muslim Hindustanis, the book Fatawwa Al Hindiyyah (written under his rule) has had a great influence on the Muslim clergy throughout the sub-continent, and many magnificent structures (e.g the Badshahi Masjid) were built during his rule, as well as settlements (e.g my fathers town was founded by Aurangzeb).

Clearly, they all have some pretty impacting legacies.



He cut someone's hand off for trying to eat beef, he's not noble or brave. He was crazy.



Ironic considering some of you guys can't stop gushing over the Mughals.



Them fighting against their fellow Muslims de facto makes them Murtads as per Islam.



This also means that someone, no matter what else they do, would never be considered a Muslim as per Islam.

In Islam, you have to be Muslim before all else, you cannot place any other identity before or even equal to it, only after. Otherwise, you're no longer considered Muslim.

I'm sure all these historically great Muslim fighters were seriously concerned about how the progeny of those they khadedoed would 400 years later refuse to accept them as true Muslims.

Personally I think they were too busy playing soccer with non Murtad (?) heads.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This is like neo-nazis expousing the virtues of Hitler.

Except your Hindutva fascists worship Hitler and Trump as gods because of their hate of Muslims.

You can’t tolerate the truth that Marathas were criminals, because of your historical revisionism.

The difference in outlook of history is what caused Pakistan and Bangladesh to separate from British India. We don’t have much in common.

Most Indian Muslims also view Marathas as nothing more than common criminals. This has been the popular view throughout history regarding them.

In a raid on Surat, Marathas sacked the city and only targeted Muslims and Portuguese Christians for plunder, rape, and murder.

In 1791, Maratha army, who themselves were Hindus raided the South Indian temple and matha of Sringeri Shankaracharya, killing and wounding many, and plundering the monastery of all its valuable possessions.

Maratha Bargis massacred 4,00,000+ Bengali Hindus. and Gang rapes of Hindu women were also common by Maratha armies.

They imposed Heavy Tax on Muslim/Hindu Rajput, Jats, and Sikhs as well and as a Result lost their Support in the third battle of Panipat.

https://scroll.in/article/776978/forgotten-indian-history-the-brutal-maratha-invasions-of-bengal

 

[surya kiran]

Most Indian Muslims also view Marathas as nothing more than common criminals. This has been the popular view throughout history regarding them.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Try saying to this Marathi Muslims and they will skin you alive. There is no revisionist version here. I am stating facts. Unlike you lot, I do not wear blinkers.

The Mughal Empire under Aurangazeb, was debt ridden. He practically destroyed the Mughals with his constant war. There is no other emperor as despised in Indian history as Aurangazeb. You have your opinion on Aurangazeb. Showing a Saudi nutjob praising Aurangazeb is equivalent to the same nutjob praising the ISIS Caliph. The only reason why you lot like him, is because he managed to forcefully impose jiziya.

The rest is true and if you had used your brains a little, exactly what I made clear. They were conquerors. The Empire which reduced the Mughal Empire to a slave. They paid no attention to religion. They were concerned only with the Marathas. And what they did in other regions, eventually led to their downfall. The plunder of Orissa and Bengal, though, was not what lead to their downfall. The effects of which would be seen in Panipat.

Had the Marathas been the Hindu version of Aurangazeb, you lot now would be Hindu. From Afghanistan to the Deccan. They ruled. Post the complete decimation of the Mughal Empire. The Marathas were a lot of things. Religious. No.

The Third Battle of Panipat was lost not because they lost Muslim soldiers from their rank. Hell, one of their leading generals was a Muslim, who gave his life on the battlefield. They lost because they did not give due respect to the Rajputs and Sikhs. Their failure in the Third battle made way for the rise of the Sikh Empire and eventually the conquest of India by the British.

This is to just set the record straight, which lots of people on this forum espouse. That the Mughals were unbeatable and the British did them in and rest.

P.S : Piece of advice. If you are going to do google searches and debate with me about the Marathas, I would recommend you do it with your 10 year old kid. You obviously have zero knowledge of anything beyond the Mughals, that too very basic, in Indian history. So let it rest. Go and drink some kahwah tea.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I have the same view of Marathas as I do about Nader Shah and Sher Shah Suri.

They were not the Hindu heroes which BJP is trying to present. They were just common thieves who cannibalized the Mughal dynasty at the worst part of its history and made the lives of Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs unbearable. They also allowed the void which was filled by foreign occupiers like the British.

They were just after plunder and captives, they had no altruistic motives.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Except your Hindutva fascists worship Hitler and Trump as gods because of their hate of Muslims.

You can’t tolerate the truth that Marathas were criminals, because of your historical revisionism.

The difference in outlook of history is what caused Pakistan and Bangladesh to separate from British India. We don’t have much in common.

Most Indian Muslims also view Marathas as nothing more than common criminals. This has been the popular view throughout history regarding them.

In a raid on Surat, Marathas sacked the city and only targeted Muslims and Portuguese Christians for plunder, rape, and murder.

In 1791, Maratha army, who themselves were Hindus raided the South Indian temple and matha of Sringeri Shankaracharya, killing and wounding many, and plundering the monastery of all its valuable possessions.

Maratha Bargis massacred 4,00,000+ Bengali Hindus. and Gang rapes of Hindu women were also common by Maratha armies.

They imposed Heavy Tax on Muslim/Hindu Rajput, Jats, and Sikhs as well and as a Result lost their Support in the third battle of Panipat.

https://scroll.in/article/776978/forgotten-indian-history-the-brutal-maratha-invasions-of-bengal

Still nowhere near s brutal as Aurangzeb and Babur and Ghaznvi. And if the Marathas were as bad as you said, why did they have overwhelming public support throughout India? If the MArathas were criminals for fighting tyranny, so were the Mughals for destroying temples, imposing Jizya on poor Hindu farmers, and trying to eradicate Hinduism and buddhism from India. FOrutnately, they failed miserably thanks to xuccessful Hindu resistance. You are just butthurt your heroes got their asses handed to them by the Marathas. Poor Aurangzeb had to die knowing he will never fulfill his dream of completely conquering the Deccan. Its a good thing he did not know that decades after his death, his empire would be completely destroyed, and Hindus will rule almost the entirety of South Asia for centuries to come.

I have the same view of Marathas as I do about Nader Shah and Sher Shah Suri.

They were not the Hindu heroes which BJP is trying to present. They were just common thieves who cannibalized the Mughal dynasty at the worst part of its history and made the lives of Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs unbearable. They also allowed the void which was filled by foreign occupiers like the British.

They were just after plunder and captives, they had no altruistic motives.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. If that was true, they would not be idolized by millions of Indians of various ethnicities and religion, and he would not be the hero of almost 100 million Maratis. As I posted before, the Marathas also provided successful resistance to the British and even defeated them in the first Anglo Maratha War. Not to mention, they also defeated the Portuguese and drove them back into Goa.

With that being said you are correct about relations with Jats, Rajputs, and Sikhs. As they became more powerful, the Marathas grew arrogant and lost their alliances with those empires similarly to how the Mughals lost alliances with the Deccani Sultanates.

If the Marathas were criminals, the Mughals were Nazis. Infact, more people were killed in the Mughal invasions of the Indian subcontinent(India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh) than victims of the so-called holocaust. I respect the fact you hate the Marathas for destroying your empires, but do not distort history.


Mural of the British surrendering to the Marathas in the first Anglo Maratha War. This puts the Marathas in the elite club of South Asian empires that defeated the British at one point. The only other major empire in modern India is Mysore.