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Has the American establishment finally crossed the line with Pakistan ...

There is no way India would be bold enough to try and occupy Azad Kashmir, and Gilgit and Balistan without direct support and encouragement from the USA...

US will not give a damn to our security and have not cared less apart from own and her own strategic goals. Why Modi did his so called mark 2 surgical strike adventurous move on the 27th Feb, India was given the green light and was given the tacit support by the US. Why there was no UNSC meeting and why OIC never managed to call any meeting about it thanks to the Saudi and UAE betrayal. By professionalism thanks to PAF what ever one call it we survived to fight for another day. Musharraf was strongly advised by the US and EU to absorb a token strike after Bombay terrorist attack and Musharraf reply was once India crossed our border it will be a total war including nuclear and India never dared to cross that line. Its how our own leaders behave and show spine makes a difference.

As for relations with united states, we must have a friendly relation with them as well as with Europe, Russia and even working relations with Israel (with guarantees they will not support India in any form shape or way against Pakistan and Kashmir).

Our relations with US will never be the same like after 9/11 as according to US time have moved on and new alliances are being build and old allies either have to stay loyal or get another dog to find company with. Our relation with US will not going to be more then a trade one at best and strategic partnership is dumped a long time ago unless something major again happens to US.

Brothers as far as Kashmir is concerned we are a nuclear power but we are not behaving like one with chest raised and more like apologetic to be a one. Modi is having a laugh and is taunting us regarding the nuclear button and that's why pushing India's luck and eyeing more to be opportunistic. We need a Doberman at the top not a puppy dog who gets all the attention but no one fears. Not a while back, India was fearful of losing the occupied Kashmir and thanks to our weak leadership and crap foreign office all of a sudden concerns are raised about Gilgit and other areas. A loud and strong message should go out to the world if India crosses that line don't expect us holding any thing back from us not a voice of false flag attack. What this false flag crap is, are we that weak? US is in more debt then us and look how US is mauling nations after nations. IK need to change or move on as this is not Europe where anti war rallies happens, and things are decided on the negotiating table. In Asia things are not that civilized and where manipulative and scheming animals like Modi exists who need to be put at his right place otherwise we pay the dearest price. That's my 2 cents.
 
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Nonsense. The Americans have over the years saved the Pakistanis.
none sense..USA didn't even support Pakistan(forgetting about saving) when we were in official defense pack..so let's not kid our self ...
 
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I would never blame any other country, in the game of survival the onus always lies on you yourself. If Pakistan is f***** up then it means it is f****** up due the "kartoots" and cowardice of present and past government regimes of Pakistan.
 
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none sense..USA didn't even support Pakistan(forgetting about saving) when we were in official defense pack..so let's not kid our self ...

by your definition which country has supported you ?
 
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Both Pakistan and the USA have had a backwards and forwards relationship, ever since Pakistan came into being as a country. Partnerships were formed, only for the USA to break them, time after time. USA was always given the benefit of the doubt when new partnerships were formed, but the trust level was notched down 1 level each time for Pakistans view of the USA.

Each time the USA took a step backwards with their relationship with the Pakistan it never took a decision to challenge the direct terroritorial integrity of Pakistan, or Kashmir or directly take a path that would lead to harm to the lives of Pakistani's or Kashmiris in Pakistan Kashmir.

Recently, with the American establishments encouragement and support to India, to invade Azad Kashmir, and Gilgit and Balistan as part of its China containment policy, one which will have the direct effect of putting millions of Kashmiri men, women and children under the control of the terrorist Indian Army, has the USA finally gone too far with Pakistan?

It is one thing to cut off funds, not pay your bills, sanction supplies and place both economic and military sanctions, but it is quite another to directly threaten the integrity of the country and create a situation where millions of muslims go under India occupation to achieve a 'strategic objective' on a chessboard with no regard to Pakistan, and its people.

There is no way India would be bold enough to try and occupy Azad Kashmir, and Gilgit and Balistan without direct support and encouragement from the USA...

Is there any turning back for USA and Pakistan relations now?
In the long term Americans are no friends of Pakistan as they consider us a threat for illegitimate state of Israel. They needed us for short term only during their war agains USSR and Taliban/Al Qaeda so they used us by giving us limited supplies of weapons and arms. Now that USSR is no more and Al Qaeda is also marginalised, they want to beat us (and China) through India. But Pakistan will survive because of Allah and its brave Army inshaAllah.
 
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I think Pak dug its own grave by antigo ising SAM and moved to Chineese.. and global anti china hated is at peak.. only Country that in love with china virus despite its citizens suffering like hell is Pakistan, mark my words they would suffer the same fate as DPRK.. China and all its big ambitions is going to shit hole sooner or later.. uncle SAM will take out the nukes one by one and all Wheather virus will stand far and watch, until India walks in and make peace with Pak.
World is shifting to multi-polar politics. Deal with it.
 
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What has China done in 1971 and in 1999 ?
Stop worrying about what China did for Pakistan and instead focus upon what had your new home done? From sanctioning aPa supposedly ally amidst war to Paying back our F16 money in the form of wheat, and charging us for the parking of the same F16s that your new home refused to deliver in the first place.
Some ally you were!
 
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Stop worrying about what China did for Pakistan and instead focus upon what had your new home done? From sanctioning aPa supposedly ally amidst war to Paying back our F16 money in the form of wheat, and charging us for the parking of the same F16s that your new home refused to deliver in the first place.
Some ally you were!

An ally that is a haven for anti-American terrorists
https://www.chron.com/news/article/Pakistan-hands-suspect-in-USS-Cole-bombing-2043719.php
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/02/09/...enter-blast-is-caught-and-returned-to-us.html
http://movies2.nytimes.com/library/world/africa/081998africa-bombing.html
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/khalid-sheikh-mohammed-cia

https://www.history.com/news/osama-bin-laden-death-seal-team-six
 
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So instead of answering you diverted to off topic nonsense. All of the things you mentioned above are post 9/11, i am talking about pre 9/11. Who betrayed whom? Why do you think Pakistan owes you anything when you were the first to betray us and why should we not look towards our own interests? And while you are at it and i know it will be difficult for the likes of you to comprehend due to your roots but the same terrorist that your new home accuses us of sponsoring are the ones you are negotiating with and asking Pakistan to help you for a face saving exist. Guess who was right after all? Pakistan.
 
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So instead of answering you diverted to off topic nonsense. All of the things you mentioned above are post 9/11, i am talking about pre 9/11. Who betrayed whom? Why do you think Pakistan owes you anything when you were the first to betray us and why should we not look towards our own interests? And while you are at it and i know it will be difficult for the likes of you to comprehend due to your roots but the same terrorist that your new home accuses us of sponsoring are the ones you are negotiating with and asking Pakistan to help you for a face saving exist. Guess who was right after all? Pakistan.

Read the links
https://www.chron.com/news/article/Pakistan-hands-suspect-in-USS-Cole-bombing-2043719.php
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/02/09/...enter-blast-is-caught-and-returned-to-us.html
http://movies2.nytimes.com/library/world/africa/081998africa-bombing.html
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/khalid-sheikh-mohammed-cia
https://www.history.com/news/osama-bin-laden-death-seal-team-six

Some are pre 9/11. some are post 9/11
 
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All hail PM Imran Khan's Shaikh Chillian vision of improving relationships with the United States... soon after Pakistan deliberately and in a calculated manner moved away from the American camp by signing up CPEC.
 
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Only the worst traitors in Pakistan support staying with Americans after all the times they have stabbed Pakistan in the back, and all the times they humiliated Pakistan. How soon you've forgotten it all and even forgotten Salala. Ready to make your dollars and emigrate to the US. Make your children into wannabe goras. Shameless.
 
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