Hangor Class Submarine Project | Updates & Discussions

[Sh@msu]

If China gives such technology to pakistan, then India too can find random nations to give arbitrary technology. Good luck with suicidal path. Everyone dies.

Next, the mini submarine is poor technology. I am wondering why Pakistan didn't get submarines from Turkey.

I think that might be a very very bad idea to "find random nations to give arbitrary technology."
Did you forget we share some very cute border with you?Not to mention Nepal.China will too find this places very attractive to "give arbitrary technology"
Can India really take that if China armrs it's border state just because it wanted China to stop giving tech to Pak which is already a nuclear armed state?
Not much to gain,but huge to loose for you.Think before playing that "border border" game

Just to be clear,I am very much in favor of India giving tech to random nations.Because then may be China won't mind sharing some of it's latest hot toys with us

 

[Pathan khan]

I think China will deliver the 4 Hangor Class Submarines to Pakistan Navy start from 1 each per year 2019-22

 

[Vijyes Yechury]

I think that might be a very very bad idea to "find random nations to give arbitrary technology."
Did you forget we share some very cute border with you?Not to mention Nepal.China will too find this places very attractive to "give arbitrary technology"
Can India really take that if China armrs it's border state just because it wanted China to stop giving tech to Pak which is already a nuclear armed state?
Not much to gain,but huge to loose for you.Think before playing that "border border" game

Just to be clear,I am very much in favor of India giving tech to random nations.Because then may be China won't mind sharing some of it's latest hot toys with us

If China gives technology, then China will be considered as aggressor nation. Being nuclear armed is not the game changer. Nuclear technology is 1940s technology. Also, it is not all powerful. Submarine technology is critical and involves stealth and other aspects.

Obviously for you it is acceptable that China risks itself for Pakistan. But that calls for greater question - will chinacbe ready to face india in case of india pakistan war? Moreover, India can easily take out pakistan even before it gets ToT.

China can give technology but at its own peril. We have seen that countries prefer to give arms instead of technology as aids. So, you may be expecting too much.

Lol, you itself borrowed technology from Russia and talking about transferring to other nations...Lol man, why you Indians are so big mouth

India did not borrow any critical defence technology from Russia. Russia did not give seekers for brahmos or nuclear submarine reactor/propulsion, SAM technology etc. Russia gave SU30 technology (except engine).

 

[Cybernetics]

I think that might be a very very bad idea to "find random nations to give arbitrary technology."
Did you forget we share some very cute border with you?Not to mention Nepal.China will too find this places very attractive to "give arbitrary technology"
Can India really take that if China armrs it's border state just because it wanted China to stop giving tech to Pak which is already a nuclear armed state?
Not much to gain,but huge to loose for you.Think before playing that "border border" game

Just to be clear,I am very much in favor of India giving tech to random nations.Because then may be China won't mind sharing some of it's latest hot toys with us

I think China is trying to avoid an military buildup with India or trying to not edge it into conflict too much. It wants to focus more of its resources on OBOR and potentially link up India in the trade network once the situation in Myanmar calms down. Meaning India building tunnels and highways in the North East makes long term integration easier. On the other hand if India makes military moves for China to react to like in Donglang, then it is likely China will employ asymmetric strategies to counter it. One such move could be like as you mentioned, providing Bangladesh and Pakistan with progressively more advanced military hardware and more military industrial cooperation. In addition directing more investment to countries on India's periphery. Eventually forcing India's hand to integrate into the trade network or it could choose to be isolated. The more aggressive India becomes to counter China in the region the stronger it's neighbours will become.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

If China gives such technology to pakistan, then India too can find random nations to give arbitrary technology. Good luck with suicidal path. Everyone dies.

Next, the mini submarine is poor technology. I am wondering why Pakistan didn't get submarines from Turkey.

Which indigenous technology that India owns and can provide, and also to whom? If Tejas is the tech, then by all means offer it - I can assure you even if you give money to countries to get Tejas for free, they wont - even your own airforce would not accept it sadly.

 

[Spy Master]

If China gives technology, then China will be considered as aggressor nation. Being nuclear armed is not the game changer. Nuclear technology is 1940s technology. Also, it is not all powerful. Submarine technology is critical and involves stealth and other aspects.

Obviously for you it is acceptable that China risks itself for Pakistan. But that calls for greater question - will chinacbe ready to face india in case of india pakistan war? Moreover, India can easily take out pakistan even before it gets ToT.

China can give technology but at its own peril. We have seen that countries prefer to give arms instead of technology as aids. So, you may be expecting too much.



India did not borrow any critical defence technology from Russia. Russia did not give seekers for brahmos or nuclear submarine reactor/propulsion, SAM technology etc. Russia gave SU30 technology (except engine).

Man stop bulssh!!ting here...Starting from Tejas every project of yours had external help and imported critical components...all of your submarine technology is based on Russian designs!

 

[Adios Amigo]

Obviously for you it is acceptable that China risks itself for Pakistan. But that calls for greater question - will chinacbe ready to face india in case of india pakistan war? Moreover, India can easily take out pakistan even before it gets ToT.
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This shows your level of understanding.... Keep going and enlighten us with your "du takkay ki analysis"!

 

[Sh@msu]

If China gives technology, then China will be considered as aggressor nation. Being nuclear armed is not the game changer. Nuclear technology is 1940s technology. Also, it is not all powerful. Submarine technology is critical and involves stealth and other aspects.

Obviously for you it is acceptable that China risks itself for Pakistan. But that calls for greater question - will chinacbe ready to face india in case of india pakistan war? Moreover, India can easily take out pakistan even before it gets ToT.

China can give technology but at its own peril. We have seen that countries prefer to give arms instead of technology as aids. So, you may be expecting too much.

 

[Vijyes Yechury]

Man stop bulssh!!ting here...Starting from Tejas every project of yours had external help and imported critical components...all of your submarine technology is based on Russian designs!

Which indigenous technology that India owns and can provide, and also to whom? If Tejas is the tech, then by all means offer it - I can assure you even if you give money to countries to get Tejas for free, they wont - even your own airforce would not accept it sadly.

Good luck with your laughs. I don't seem to understand why you have some weird imagination that India can't build anything on its own when it has built many things on its own. Tejas is something countries won't buy? Why? Because you don't like it? What evidence do you have that Indian submarine is Russian designed? India did take inspiration from various submarines but at the end of the day, the miniature reactors, propulsion etc were Indian designed. The exterior and other things may have been simply copied.

Anyways, good luck trying to get ToT from China, USA, France, UK, Russia etc. I haven't seen any of them ahnding over technology to anyone just like that. They will sell the arms but not the way to make them. Only the older generation technology which has become obsolete will be given.

This shows your level of understanding.... Keep going and enlighten us with your "du takkay ki analysis"!

Just insisting that nuclear weapons will give maximum deterrence is plain stupid. Do you have evidence or test data to show the magnitude of destruction by nukes? Good luck with such bullshit.

Ask for ToT from any nation - USA, UK, France, China, Russia etc and then come back. Just assuming that a nation is foolish to permanently transfer technology instead of supplying arms as aids is utterly foolish. China can help Pakistan with arms supply, but ToT is something you are over expecting. What is the benefit for China by giving ToT to Pakistan instead of manufacturing arms in China and then supplying the arms to Pakistan?

In case such ToTs are done, then it will be regarded as an act of aggression and any war with Pakistan will automatically involve China. Good luck suggesting this to Chinese.

 

[Sh@msu]

Ask for ToT from any nation - USA, UK, France, China, Russia etc and then come back. Just assuming that a nation is foolish to permanently transfer technology instead of supplying arms as aids is utterly foolish. China can help Pakistan with arms supply, but ToT is something you are over expecting. What is the benefit for China by giving ToT to Pakistan instead of manufacturing arms in China and then supplying the arms to Pakistan?

In case such ToTs are done, then it will be regarded as an act of aggression and any war with Pakistan will automatically involve China. Good luck suggesting this to Chinese.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

If China gives technology, then China will be considered as aggressor nation. Being nuclear armed is not the game changer. Nuclear technology is 1940s technology. Also, it is not all powerful. Submarine technology is critical and involves stealth and other aspects.

Obviously for you it is acceptable that China risks itself for Pakistan. But that calls for greater question - will chinacbe ready to face india in case of india pakistan war? Moreover, India can easily take out pakistan even before it gets ToT.

China can give technology but at its own peril. We have seen that countries prefer to give arms instead of technology as aids. So, you may be expecting too much.



India did not borrow any critical defence technology from Russia. Russia did not give seekers for brahmos or nuclear submarine reactor/propulsion, SAM technology etc. Russia gave SU30 technology (except engine).

Im sure you can “take over Pakistan”...

But the question is.. if its such a walk in the park... why are indians lookin like cuckholds while Pak keeps banging mother india?

Think fukin again and before you talk nonsense.

He’s the typical indian frog fed by arseholes like arnoob chutuswami..

 

[Cookie Monster]

"If one 098 can carry 12 submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs) carrying 3 independently targetable warheads each, the two submarines under construction have effective second-strike capabilities of launching 108 nuclear warheads"

The math isn't adding up. If each submarine carries 12 SLBMs(MIRV) with 3 warheads each then each submarine has 36 warheads it can launch...two of these submarines would make it 72 warheads not 108. For 108 warheads, 3 of these submarines are required.

 

[Sh@msu]

He’s the typical indian frog fed by arseholes like arnoob chutuswami..

I know.these third eye peoples are so naive and cute

 

[Clutch]

If China gives technology, then China will be considered as aggressor nation. Being nuclear armed is not the game changer. Nuclear technology is 1940s technology. Also, it is not all powerful. Submarine technology is critical and involves stealth and other aspects.

Obviously for you it is acceptable that China risks itself for Pakistan. But that calls for greater question - will chinacbe ready to face india in case of india pakistan war? Moreover, India can easily take out pakistan even before it gets ToT.

China can give technology but at its own peril. We have seen that countries prefer to give arms instead of technology as aids. So, you may be expecting too much.



India did not borrow any critical defence technology from Russia. Russia did not give seekers for brahmos or nuclear submarine reactor/propulsion, SAM technology etc. Russia gave SU30 technology (except engine).

Wet dreams and illusions of grandure.

 

[Vijyes Yechury]

Wet dreams and illusions of grandure.

That is why I said- try to get technology transfer (with blueprints and codes) and then see. You are allowed to reverse engineer arms sold to you but getting the blueprint? That is wet dreams