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Cheapness does not make it airworthy?? I just came to Know it now.... and for your Kind Information it took us 6 long years to develop MKI variant, We would not develop a Junk , If You feel satisfied with it, be with it... Did I call You funny, I appreciated You for letting me Know about Jf-17, You are the One who is Fantasizing Not me dear....

And Those Avionics which Sukhoi 30 MKI carries are Indian, Code named as "Vetrivale" So its Obviously cheap for us as The avionics and softwares are ours....

well the su 35 use every thing russian and russian planes are nt as expensive as westerns are.bt the su 35 cost 65millio plus
every thing MKi is frm forign
Avionics frm france,israel and russia
engine russian
airframe russian
ejection seat even frm forign

bt still very much cheap

and we are getting f-16 block 52 for 69Million
 
well the su 35 use every thing russian and russian planes are nt as expensive as westerns are.bt the su 35 cost 65millio plus
every thing MKi is frm forign
Avionics frm france,israel and russia
engine russian
airframe russian
ejection seat even frm forign

bt still very much cheap

and we are getting f-16 block 52 for 69Million

Your stats are Wrong, MKI version Uses Indian softwares and Avionics

The Su-30MKI contains not only Russian, French and Israeli Customer Furnished Equipment (CFE), but also a substantial percentage of Indian designed and manufactured avionics. They took six years to develop from start to MKI. Advanced avionics were developed by DRDO under a project code named "Vetrivale" (a Tamil name for the victorious lance carried by the youthful Lord Karthikeya or Murugan, a son of Parvati and Shiva) in close collaboration with the PSUs and the IAF. Indian avionics have been received and acknowledged enthusiastically by the Russian principals.

The following are the components developed by Indian agencies:

Mission Computer cum Display Processor - MC-486 and DP-30MK (Defence Avionics Research Establishment - DARE)
Radar Computer - RC1 and RC2 (DARE)
Tarang Mk2 Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) + High Accuracy Direction Finding Module (HADF) (DARE
IFF-1410A - Identification Friend or Foe (IFF)
Integrated Communication suite INCOM 1210A (HAL)
Radar Altimeter - RAM-1701 (HAL)
Programmable Signal Processor (PSP) - (LRDE)
Multi Function Displays (MFD) - Samtel/DARE
The 32-bit Mission Computer performs mission-oriented computations, flight management, reconfiguration-cum-redundancy management and in-flight systems self-tests. In compliance with MIL-STD-1521 and 2167A standards, Ada language has been adopted for the mission computer's software. The other DARE-developed product, the Tarang Mk2 (Tranquil) radar warning receiver, is manufactured by state-owned BEL at its Bangalore facility.

These avionics equipment have also been certified for their airworthiness in meeting the demanding standards of Russian military aviation. The cumulative value of such indigenous avionic equipment is estimated to exceed Rs. 250 lakhs per aircraft. Since the core avionics were developed by a single agency (DRDO) - they have significant commonality of hardware and software amongst them using a modular approach to design. This obviously results in major cost and time savings in development; it also benefits the user in maintenance and spares inventories.

The DRDO has gone a step further and come out with a new design of the Core Avionics Computer (CAC) which can be used with a single module adaptation across many other aircraft platforms. Thus the CAC which is derived from the computers designed for the Su-30MKI will now be the centre piece of the avionics upgrades for the MiG-27 and Jaguar aircraft as well. The CAC was demonstrated by DRDO at the Aero India exhibition at Yelahanka and attracted a good deal of international attention. Taken together with the systems already developed indigenously for the LCA (such as the Digital Flight Control Computer and HUD), clearly Indian avionics have a significant export potential in the burgeoning global market for avionics modernisation.

The navigation/weapons systems from the various countries were integrated by Ramenskoye RPKB.

HAL will supply components to Irkut for 300 Su-30s meant for export to Malaysia and Algeria apart from those meant for IAF
 
@farhan_9909

First of all where it has been said that LCA's top speed is less than Mach 1.8.

Tejas boosts test programme



And he was saying that LCA is better than Mig-21 BISON...

Do you know any thing about Mig-21 Bison....:what:

Go through this thread ur very own :pdf:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/53018-mig-21-bison-underdog.html

After reading this thread u can think if he was saying it is better than Mig-21 Bison then it is definitely not a insult to LCA.:)

And regarding GE-414

Boeing developing higher thrust engine for international Super Hornet F/A-18E/F clients

i siad it has 1.8mach speed with already usegg greater use of composite materials

and your fact about Ge414 is wrong
when 22000 means 98KN
then take it frm offical GE site
GE - Aviation: F414
General Electric F414 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
well then talk after upgrades.we are talking about now
when we talk about jf-17 upgrade you people call us funny

it is truth you accept it or nt.
MKI is the world most cheapest(35-37Million) heavy class fighter.
even the jf-17 french upgrade per aircraft cost was 32million only for avionics and missile



Thats because we manufacture it locally and the cosr will be 35-40 million but if u import it with spares it will cost u 55-60 million

HAL has been manufacturing jets from the ages of Mig-21s
 
Your stats are Wrong, MKI version Uses Indian softwares and Avionics

The Su-30MKI contains not only Russian, French and Israeli Customer Furnished Equipment (CFE), but also a substantial percentage of Indian designed and manufactured avionics. They took six years to develop from start to MKI. Advanced avionics were developed by DRDO under a project code named "Vetrivale" (a Tamil name for the victorious lance carried by the youthful Lord Karthikeya or Murugan, a son of Parvati and Shiva) in close collaboration with the PSUs and the IAF. Indian avionics have been received and acknowledged enthusiastically by the Russian principals.

The following are the components developed by Indian agencies:

Mission Computer cum Display Processor - MC-486 and DP-30MK (Defence Avionics Research Establishment - DARE)
Radar Computer - RC1 and RC2 (DARE)
Tarang Mk2 Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) + High Accuracy Direction Finding Module (HADF) (DARE
IFF-1410A - Identification Friend or Foe (IFF)
Integrated Communication suite INCOM 1210A (HAL)
Radar Altimeter - RAM-1701 (HAL)
Programmable Signal Processor (PSP) - (LRDE)
Multi Function Displays (MFD) - Samtel/DARE
The 32-bit Mission Computer performs mission-oriented computations, flight management, reconfiguration-cum-redundancy management and in-flight systems self-tests. In compliance with MIL-STD-1521 and 2167A standards, Ada language has been adopted for the mission computer's software. The other DARE-developed product, the Tarang Mk2 (Tranquil) radar warning receiver, is manufactured by state-owned BEL at its Bangalore facility.

These avionics equipment have also been certified for their airworthiness in meeting the demanding standards of Russian military aviation. The cumulative value of such indigenous avionic equipment is estimated to exceed Rs. 250 lakhs per aircraft. Since the core avionics were developed by a single agency (DRDO) - they have significant commonality of hardware and software amongst them using a modular approach to design. This obviously results in major cost and time savings in development; it also benefits the user in maintenance and spares inventories.

The DRDO has gone a step further and come out with a new design of the Core Avionics Computer (CAC) which can be used with a single module adaptation across many other aircraft platforms. Thus the CAC which is derived from the computers designed for the Su-30MKI will now be the centre piece of the avionics upgrades for the MiG-27 and Jaguar aircraft as well. The CAC was demonstrated by DRDO at the Aero India exhibition at Yelahanka and attracted a good deal of international attention. Taken together with the systems already developed indigenously for the LCA (such as the Digital Flight Control Computer and HUD), clearly Indian avionics have a significant export potential in the burgeoning global market for avionics modernisation.

The navigation/weapons systems from the various countries were integrated by Ramenskoye RPKB.

HAL will supply components to Irkut for 300 Su-30s meant for export to Malaysia and Algeria apart from those meant for IAF

i am surprise that it had only taken 6 years for DRDO
when you are nt able to develop 100% avionics for LCA.still impoting avioncis for LCA frm israel and france
 
Thats because we manufacture it locally and the cosr will be 35-40 million but if u import it with spares it will cost u 55-60 million

HAL has been manufacturing jets from the ages of Mig-21s

china which is considered much cheaper then india in the world

produce j-10A which cost 40Million.
jf-17 cost is between 15-20Million.
 
i am surprise that it had only taken 6 years for DRDO
when you are nt able to develop 100% avionics for LCA.still impoting avioncis for LCA frm israel and france

Who said LCA Imports Avionics??? LCA needs Engines till its ready with kaveri and Needs A good Radar Until the MMR is ready or We learn to miniaturize the AESA radars we make.... And it took Us More years not to Manufacture it, but to Make it upto the mark of constantly changing standards of IAF
 
i am surprise that it had only taken 6 years for DRDO
when you are nt able to develop 100% avionics for LCA.still impoting avioncis for LCA frm israel and france

this is because we not saying that mki is totally indigenous but not we are able to produce it in locally 100% .... not like pakistan .... some of pakistany member call jf17 indigenous and sone say that Karma made it locally
 
i siad it has 1.8mach speed with already usegg greater use of composite materials

and your fact about Ge414 is wrong

when 22000 means 98KN
then take it frm offical GE site
GE - Aviation: F414
General Electric F414 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This from ur wikipedia:

General Electric F414 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

GE touts that this latest variant yields either a 20% increase in thrust or threefold increase in hot-section durability over the current F414.This version is called the Enhanced Performance Engine (EPE) and was partially funded through the federal Integrated High Performance Turbine Engine Technology (or IHPTET) program.

And this is form ur GE site:

GE - Aviation: GE F110 and F404/F414 Fighter Engines Expand Capability and Global Presence

This year, GE will test this new fan with the EDE core to provide up to 20% more thrust than the current F414.

Now do some maths, current thrust of 414 is 98 Kn(22000lbf),add 20% of 22000lbf it become ~ 26000lbf(116KN):devil:..
 
Who said LCA Imports Avionics??? LCA needs Engines till its ready with kaveri and Needs A good Radar Until the MMR is ready or We learn to miniaturize the AESA radars we make.... And it took Us More years not to Manufacture it, but to Make it upto the mark of constantly changing standards of IAF

radar is the 2nd complex thing after engine in the aircraft which is imported frm israel.

let me tell you your AESA radar timeline

first etst of lCA by 2016 with indegenous AESA radar
after test ther are some problem with radar
2nd test in 2018 bt has some problem again.
3rd test in 2020.it is ready by need some more tests
4th test failure program will sign a deal with israel to solve our problem in the radar
2022 MASHALLAH Indian/israely radar is ready for LCA MK2.

after fitting in the aricraft

oh the radar is out dated
lets start new project
 
This from ur wikipedia:

General Electric F414 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



And this is form ur GE site:

GE - Aviation: GE F110 and F404/F414 Fighter Engines Expand Capability and Global Presence



Now do some maths, current thrust of 414 is 98 Kn(22000lbf),add 20% of 22000lbf it become ~ 26000lbf(116KN):devil:..

well definelty they will nt do this upgrade only for you.becasue you will need only 100Kn bECAUSE THEN YOUR KAVERI WIL BE READY
bt our ws-13 with upto 100Kn engine will be indegenous

ws-13=china=pakistan
 
well yes wiki information is almst true bt i knw many indian who edit wiki.
also LCA MK1 is nt 4.5th generation many of your indian will agree with this point for you.

well i agree MKI is good aircraft i mean average and indian over rated aircraft that is why it is rejected by russian air force they prefer the old su 27 instead of your MKI which you people evenn compare it with su 35..LMAO

chineese in future after ws-13 100% success will induct jf-17 bt MKI never.

i think u need more knowledge SU-30mki is variant of Su-30 which build for specially indian condition, just like Su-30MKK which build for chinese airforce. how can russian use it if the aircraft build for indian condition.
 
And this on is regarding EJ200

Eurofighter Technology and Performance : Propulsion

read the Future of EJ200 section

The EuroJet consortium were required to build an engine (often referred to as EJ2x0) which had at least a 20% growth potential. There are already plans to carry out the necessary modifications to reach this higher (Stage-1) output in the 2000 to 2005 timeframe. Such an improvement will require a new Low Pressure Compressor (raising the pressure ratio to around 4.6) and an upgraded fan (increasing flow by around 10%). This would result in the dry thrust increasing to some 72kN (or 16,200lbf ) with a reheated output of around 103kN (or 23,100lbf). Given recent increases in the weight of the Typhoon it may not be unexpected to find this upgrade performed in the near future.

More interestingly perhaps is Rolls-Royce and EuroJet's plan to increase the output 30% above the baseline specification as a Stage-2 modification. Such an upgrade will require more substantial plantwide changes including a new LP compressor and turbine and an improvement in the total pressure ratio. These upgrades would yield a new dry thrust of around 78kN (or 17,500lbf) with a reheated output of around 120kN (or 27,000lbf). The indications are that these improvements will come on stream between 2005 and 2010, in time for the Typhoon's Mid Life Upgrade expected around 2016.
 
radar is the 2nd complex thing after engine in the aircraft which is imported frm israel.

let me tell you your AESA radar timeline

first etst of lCA by 2016 with indegenous AESA radar
after test ther are some problem with radar
2nd test in 2018 bt has some problem again.
3rd test in 2020.it is ready by need some more tests
4th test failure program will sign a deal with israel to solve our problem in the radar
2022 MASHALLAH Indian/israely radar is ready for LCA MK2.

after fitting in the aricraft

oh the radar is out dated
lets start new project


thanks for acknowledge us

well atleast we are developing it with isreal but wht about u ???

France already kick ur $$$ ... for after 2022 atlest our MK2 is ready but wht about u ????
 
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