That wasn't specifically for you but you did believe EMVs were hacked and other conspiracy theories such as asking for surgical strike proofs, Rafale scam which now is being debunked.
I don't remember anything about EMVs; not my subject, not my conspiracy.
About surgical strike proofs, the boot is on the other foot. I was given proofs myself within 12 hours. So the question of asking for proofs doesn't arise. Several details were wrong, because my informant's friends themselves didn't know the details till a day later; it was the second informant, about 36 hours after the strike, who had the complete picture.
What I did say about surgical strikes was that it was not unknown practice before the Modi government came in, and that it was sad that the government was so obsessed with publicity as to mount the pageantry that it did.
Like EVMs, too, I don't remember even having commented on the Rafale deal directly. What I said about that deal continues to be relevant even today, because it related to that ridiculous selection of Anil Ambani's company as the offset partner for Rafale.
I am wondering if you are on drugs, or if you are in the early stages of Alzheimer's. Whatever it is, it prevents you from remembering who said what, so some urgent action on your part seems to be called for.
The very personal remarks above were unprovoked, and I apologise to
@911. His recollection was wrong, or he was thinking of someone else; in either case, there was no need to suggest that he was mentally deficient due to disease.
Dont give monkies who is on the border. I am gobsmacked that Indian army was expecting the pickup and drop services from the airport and was left high and dry!
Your views as an ex-serviceman of long standing and great reputation must be valued.
Hmm, difference between Indian and Pakistan Army my dear sir. Indian Army cannot intervene without Civil Order, duly handed over in form of written confirmation, by the District Magistrate of the District concerned, to the OIC of the body of troops, who shall not be less than a Warrant Officer or equivalent, as elaborated under Army Act (and relevant services Act and Defence Services Regulations) as also CrPC 1973 under the head 'Aid to Civil Authorities'. I believe same was applicable in your services.
'Was', a long, long time ago. Now they negotiate directly with movements violating law and order, to the extent that they hand out financial incentives for those concerned to leave.
So how come Indian army boarded the aircraft without the deployment order? Surely, they were asked to move!
Do you even have a clue what you are talking about?
And with regards to your comparison, first, I am not here to get into a d|ck measuring contest, and secondly, I prefer to be looked after by an army, who will move in to protect its citizens against the terrorists come what may and not sit on the sides watch its citizens getting butchered.
A dimwitted remark.
The detachment was asked to report to the civil authorities in Ahmedabad.
Try not to keep digging around for oddities that you can exclaim over; they don't exist, except for an armchair critic with nothing better to say other than that you are surprised that this, that and the other were not done.
Your appreciation of the British Army, that protects you against terrorists, is admirable, but it follows the same rules. In case you hadn't noticed, even when they march for the ceremony of the Trooping of the Colours, they are 'empowered' to do that by a policeman on horseback who precedes them.
Train. Sabarmati Train
Mohammad Hussain Kalota, a Congress Corporator and President of Godhra Municipal Corporation, along with Bilal Haji, Farooq Mohammad Bhana, Salim Shaikh & Abdul Rehman Dhantiya, led a mob that targeted the coach after some altercation between vendors at Station and Kar Sevaks.
Have seen this happen in a minor scale in Meerut region, wherein, about a dozen Muslim men were returning from Haj and were enroute and stopped at a road intersection. As they were blocking the vendor plying his fruit cart, the vendor asked them to move, They refused. Things got heated up and the 12 thrashed him up.
What resulted was the typical stupidity that happens. The vendor was from a nearby village, and the village made up of both Hindus and Muslims, came out to avenge the thrashing. As the Hajis got thrashed, one of them made a call to the local BSP MLA, a Muslim. He mobilized his men spreading word that Hindus had attacked Muslim Hajis. As soon as they mobilised, VHP and Bajrang Dal mobilised. Luckily, even our Rapid Action Force mobilised in a timely manner thanks to Local Intelligence Unit being and the situation was contained.
A right eff up!
In this case, the local administration was too sluggish to respond.
Taimoor Khan
I believe Pakistan Army follows more or less the same? That an order, verbal, has to be confirmed in written? Or is that not so?
We have that as a rule.
Contingency planning is always there. We had mobilized resources after Nishad Coup in Maldives to be ready to move should Government decide to go ahead. I am sure PA does the same too.
Requisition by State Government is different from Deployment at District and Sub-district level. Forces can be requisitioned, deployment is not automatically assumed. Orders for the same, specifying the delineated command channel, are issued specifically for each district. The CM can ask forces to move .. but as per rule, DM authorizes the exact level of force to be used (a written order is issued by DM for use of firepower by Armed Forces). If the order is not possible to be given in written, same is recorded in presence of independent witnesses, and then orders to the effect in written are delivered at the first opportunity to the formation concerned.
Cut the attitude. Perhaps you are like quite a few Pakistani members here who know better than me about my organization?
Firstly, I never use that term. Secondly, I do not carry on a discussion with a person who is fixated in the Phallic Stage of Freudian Psychoanalytical Stage.
And thirdly, either be civil, or good day to you.
Not that it matters, considering the amateur who is trying to show off in this exchange how much he knows, but the CM also does not have the authority to empower the Army to act; it has to be by a designated magistrate.
Now listen and listen carefully and pay attention to what was discussed earlier.
No, YOU listen, and stop the play-acting. You are an amateur, with absolutely no background worth the mention to comment on what is or is not the procedure.
It is clear that Indian Army was given instruction to move and that is why there were flown to the airport. It is also clear that , according to the Indian general testimony, that his men were left stranded at airport with no one came to pick them up.
The services of the Army were sought, these services were made available, the troops were flown to Ahmedabad. It is clear, as I had said, and not an act of skilful detection on your part, that there was either an accidental or a deliberate failure on the part of the civilian authorities to link up and to provide the detailed, on the ground support that was needed.
Now at this point, it show two things which should be amply clear. There was a terrorist act played at the highest level, which was going about where citizens of India were getting culled at unprecedented level, in thousands,
Try not to rave; the (painful) count was less than 800. There have been far worse incidents in the world, in India, even in Pakistan, or East Pakistan, to be precise. And leave the fanciful language for a more appropriate occasion.
YET Indian army was found waiting at the airport due to lack of transport!! Now this is no ordinary state, Gujrat border Pakistan and one would imagine that Indian army would have its own sufficient logistics without having to rely on civilian setup.
Stop imagining; it isn't your imagination that determines reality. You have been told twice over, by me and then by
@hellfire, what the status is in Gujarat and if you choose to conjure up a picture out of your own imagination and insist that is real, nobody can do anything about it. Except you; try a cold shower.
However you spin it, it a utter failure of Indian army to protect its citizens. You will never find Pakistan army having to rely and wait for civilian assets in their response to terrorist acts anywhere in Pakistan.
The Pakistan Army does a lot of things that the Indian Army would never do.
The whole argument that Indian army was left high and dry on the airport by civilian government of Gujrat is laughable , even if true.
Once you have made up your mind whether to spend other people's time on describing your personal emotions, and whether you laughed or you cried, or just swelled up in indignation, do let the world know. Until then, can it be spared the excruciating experience of being swept up in your stream of consciousness?
There was no Indian army own logistics to ferry the troops from Airport, and that is in a state which is very sensitive and border Pakistan! Who would beleive that! If true, then its a shocking state of Indian Army!
At the end of the day, this passing the buck game between Indian army and "elected civilians" cost thousands of Indian citizens lives, butchered at the hands of terrorist mobs. Or maybe , just maybe, the tentacles of Hindu terrorist organization like RSS have reached the Indian army power corridors as well!
I wrote this as well.
We would have spared you the embarrassment, but if you insist on humiliating yourself, there is nothing much to be done.
@M. Sarmad
@padamchen
@Rusty
This is the kind of asinine attitude that has led to
dozens of many sensible Indian members leaving permanently. I was the recipient of some undeserved praise a few messages back; sadly, my own reaction to the falsification of facts, to the insistence of an imaginary presence due to deduction from first principles - there must have been an Army presence because Gujarat is a border state, to an attempt to equate the operating procedures of a civilian ruled Indian Army with the self-administering Pakistan Army, to a loud, insistent braying out of a point of view that is based on a need to say something insulting and negative about an entire body of men - "...the tentacles of Hindu terrorist organization like RSS have reached the Indian army power corridors as well..." - would be annoyance at the thick-headed and ignorant approach of the member.
And just to put a line under the whole situation, these are comments by one who prefers to skulk in comparative peace enforced by a different Army from the two that he has taken up as his area of expertise for the hour.
