Greater China Education, School & University: News & Discussions

[xiao qi]

Fudan university, never heard, Tsinghua , Peking, Shang hai are famous than

 

[AndrewJin]

The best uni in Central China
A potential top50 uni in the last decade
It was founded during new China's hardest time and supported by the most renowned scientists in China
It reflects our firm belief in education which is reshaping our nation
Nearly all scientific and technological breakthroughs in the recent decades are directly related to USTC
There is no reason why USTC which is on par with Tshinghua Uni is not among top50 and even top20.

University of Science and Technology of China
Founded in 1958
Hefei City, Anhui Province, Central China

The University of Science and Technology of China is a new type of university established by the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) after the founding of the New China. The establishment of the University is aimed at fostering high-level personnel of science and technology absolutely necessary for the development of the national economy, national defense construction, and education in science and technology. The University was founded in Beijing in September of 1958. Mr. Guo Moruo is the first president of the University. The establishment was hailed as "A Major Event in the History of Chinese Education and Science". CAS has supported the University by combining most of its Institutes with the departments of the University. CAS has pooled the entire strength of its faculty and its advantage in science and technology for the development of the University. USTC is listed in the top 16 national key universities by the Central Committee of the CCP, becoming the youngest national key university. In the beginning of 1970, USTC was moved to Hefei, the capital of Anhui Province. Since 1978, the University has initiated and implemented a series of open and reform measures with a forward-looking sense and innovative spirit.

University of Science and Technology of China
Hefei City, Anhui Province, Central China

There are lots of universities in Hefei City, their journey has just begun!
Hefei City, Anhui Province, Central China
1:46 Anhui Uni
1:45 One big bookstore in downtown Hefei
1:55 Anhui Uni of Technology
2:05 Hefei Railway Station
2:19 Hefei South Railway Station (HSR)
3:50 Museum and culture precinct

4:18 Anhui Uni
4:25 Anhui Uni of Technology
4:32 University of Science and Technology of China

Anhui Uni of Technology

Fudan university, never heard, Tsinghua , Peking, Shang hai are famous than

I am from Shanghai Jiaotong Uni.
But frankly speaking, Fudan is more famous than Shanghai Jiaotong overall.
Both are in Shanghai, their "love and hate" relationship is like between Beijing Uni and Tshinghua Uni.
Fudan is equivalent to Beijing, more about humanities
Shanghai Jiaotong Uni is equivalent to Tshinghua, more about technology.

The similarity is uncanny!
There are lots of such "love and hate" university pairs in Chinese cities.
In my city, there are Wuhan Uni (humanities) and HUST (tech).
There are lots of local couples here, one from Wuhan Uni, the other one from HUST.

 

[xiao qi]

I am from Shanghai Jiaotong Uni.
But frankly speaking, Fudan is more famous than Shanghai Jiaotong overall.
Both are in Shanghai, their "love and hate" relationship is like between Beijing Uni and Tshinghua Uni.
Fudan is equivalent to Beijing, more about humanities
Shanghai Jiaotong Uni is equivalent to Tshinghua, more about technology.

The similarity is uncanny!
There are lots of such "love and hate" university pairs in Chinese cities.
In my city, there are Wuhan Uni (humanities) and HUST (tech).
There are lots of local couples here, one from Wuhan Uni, the other one from HUST.

wow, i also have one Chinese friend who studied in Shanghai uni ( maybe it is your university, he said to me his uni is science and technology shanghai )we sometimes chat on qq, he graduated 2 years ago

 

[AndrewJin]

I think the quality of primary education in India is more of an issue.

Education system is a comprehensive and integrated project.
We can't separate primary schools, middle schools and higer education.
That's why they are administered by one single ministry.
A city which is famous for universities are 100% famous for primary and middle school education.

The best middle school in my city is
NO.1 Middle School Affiliated to Central China Normal University
One of the top10 middle schools in China, it provides nearly free public education based on merits
The head master spends most of his/her time searching for top students around Hubei Province
"begging" those potential top students from the remotest mountainous regions in Hubei Province
and promising free education including free dorm for the talented who are from the poorer regions
We have built an Intercity High-speed Railway Station just in front of its main gate!!!
Crazy?
We don't think so!

Rio Olympics medalists visited that middle school!

wow, i also have one Chinese friend who studied in Shanghai uni ( maybe it is your university, he said to me his uni is science and technology shanghai )we sometimes chat on qq, he graduated 2 years ago

Sorry, I thought you meant the pair of Fudan and Shanghai Jiaotong, Shanghai's two most famous universities.
Shanghai Uni belongs to and is sponsored by Shanghai, unlike Fudan and Shanghai Jiaotong which are sponsored by both the state and the city.

 

[xiao qi]

Education system is a comprehensive and integrated project.
We can't separate primary schools, middle schools and higer education.
That's why they are administered by one single ministry.
A city which is famous for universities are 100% famous for primary and middle school education.

The best middle school in my city is
NO.1 Middle School Affiliated to Central China Normal University
One of the top10 middle schools in China, it provides nearly free public education based on merits
The head master spends most of his/her time searching for top students around Hubei Province
"begging" those potential top students from the remotest mountainous regions in Hubei Province
and promising free education including free dorm for the talented who are from the poorer regions
We have built an Intercity High-speed Railway Station just in front of its main gate!!!
Crazy?
We don't think so!
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Rio Olympics medalists visited that middle school!
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Sorry, I thought you meant the pair of Fudan and Shanghai Jiaotong, Shanghai's two most famous universities.
Shanghai Uni belongs to and is sponsored by Shanghai, unlike Fudan and Shanghai Jiaotong which are sponsored by both the state and the city.

Shanghai uni is different with Shạnghai Jiaotong, ok i made a mistake, i thought both of them are one

 

[AndrewJin]

I don't see Indian university not within the "TOP 100" list as a surprise, in fact its been like that for decades
You're what you're regarding university ranking, India is no exception, you suck, you're out, as simple as that
As a Chinese, of cos i'm proud of Chinese universities are on the rapid rising trend.

It's important for us to learn from the best examples such as Singapore (@Mista @CAPRICORN-88 ), providing affordable college education and ensuring upward social mobility. We have discussed in the meritocracy thread, one (perhaps the most important one) pillar of our merits-based social system is our education.

Skilled and educated human capital is our biggest asset in the 21st century.
We definitely need more investment in education, especially the second tier universities.
We should further encourage the provincial governments to invest more.
In return, more opportunities should be offered for the local students.

unfortunately, universities in my hometown HK are on a free fall in basically all rankings, guess thats what happened when people has forgotten what got us to be one of the most successfully city in the world, sure its not as a political fanatic city but by hard work, exceptional high intelligence and superior adaptation to changes

It's not they are getting worse, but the rest, especially those in mainland China are getting better.
Universities in HK are still top-notch, a huge number of students from mainland China are receiving world-class education in HK. The founder of DJI graduated in HK.

 

[grey boy 2]

@AndrewJin
Is the DJL in Shenzhen you're talking about?
Oh i never knew the founder of DJL was actually a graduate of HK university, interesting
Please tell us more regarding the higher education of Shenzhen, thanks in advance bro
PS: University of Hong Kong ranked "21" in world ranking just a few years back in 2011 and now fall to "44" in 2016
https://www.timeshighereducation.co.../university-of-hong-kong?ranking-dataset=1045

 

[Place Of Space]

Fudan university, never heard, Tsinghua , Peking, Shang hai are famous than

Oh, dear. Fudan University is ranking at 43 of qs world universities, Shanghai University is ranking about 450 of that list.

By the way, 复旦( Fudan ) means recovery or re-rise of China / Oriental.

 

[jkroo]

We should take it easy for the rank list for some reasons and I also think there are underrated issues.

1. Language. Remember the leader of gene edit team from Hebei University of Science and Technology - professor Han Chunyu? He has no overseas study and work experiences and the university is not in top 50 in China. I think his paper is completed with much cooperations from team members who mastered English well for wording. It's an natural obstacle to publish research performance for them.

2. Content. Military, space related and some other papers seldom published outside. The core details will never be published.

3. Charactisrics issues. Many top scientists in China care little about the fame and reward for what they published such as Professor Qian Xuesen, Qian Sanqiang, Qian Weichang. We just know Professor Yu Min decades later who contribute alot to nuclear programs. They could disappear in public and work silently almost all of their life. They deserved respect from all people of China.

4. Domestic rank. Domestic universities care much about the rank of ourselves which will lead to get more budget from central government.

5. Long term issues. I myself almostly witnessed 2 times(year 1978 and 2000) of the reform of education systems which lead to more open for the education. There are big changes in almost 20 years. The ongoing reforms target at the strong majors, major structures, the core competencies of universities and the audit system for education.

With opening up of education system, we will see more achievements.

@AndrewJin
Jiaotong university and Nanjing university are great universities that both are mothers of many other universities in China. Almost all universities in Nanjing was derived from Nanjing University and some of them are outstanding in China! That's awesome.

Another hint for leading university in far east is that it is very hard to finish your PhD paper within the terms. Go abroad to get the PhD is an convenient option even in top west universities.

 

[Jlaw]

I don't see any Indian university in the list, how is that possible? Any Indians can shed more insights to this?

India spend too much money on defense when it should be place elsewhere.

We should take it easy for the rank list for some reasons and I also think there are underrated issues.

1. Language. Remember the leader of gene edit team from Hebei University of Science and Technology - professor Han Chunyu? He has no overseas study and work experiences and the university is not in top 50 in China. I think his paper is completed with much cooperations from team members who mastered English well for wording. It's an natural obstacle to publish research performance for them.

2. Content. Military, space related and some other papers seldom published outside. The core details will never be published.

3. Charactisrics issues. Many top scientists in China care little about the fame and reward for what they published such as Professor Qian Xuesen, Qian Sanqiang, Qian Weichang. We just know Professor Yu Min decades later who contribute alot to nuclear programs. They could disappear in public and work silently almost all of their life. They deserved respect from all people of China.

4. Domestic rank. Domestic universities care much about the rank of ourselves which will lead to get more budget from central government.

5. Long term issues. I myself almostly witnessed 2 times(year 1978 and 2000) of the reform of education systems which lead to more open for the education. There are big changes in almost 20 years. The ongoing reforms target at the strong majors, major structures, the core competencies of universities and the audit system for education.

With opening up of education system, we will see more achievements.

@AndrewJin
Jiaotong university and Nanjing university are great universities that both are mothers of many other universities in China. Almost all universities in Nanjing was derived from Nanjing University and some of them are outstanding in China! That's awesome.

Another hint for leading university in far east is that it is very hard to finish your PhD paper within the terms. Go abroad to get the PhD is an convenient option even in top west universities.

Really not a need to post military journal articles outside of China. Sun Tzu said part of winning war is to surprise the enemy

 

[AndrewJin]

@AndrewJin
Is the DJL in Shenzhen you're talking about?
Oh i never knew the founder of DJL was actually a graduate of HK university, interesting
Please tell us more regarding the higher education of Shenzhen, thanks in advance bro
PS: University of Hong Kong ranked "21" in world ranking just a few years back in 2011 and now fall to "44" in 2016
https://www.timeshighereducation.co.../university-of-hong-kong?ranking-dataset=1045

The speed of Shenzhen is mind-blowing, so is the development of Shenzhen University!

Shenzhen University
Founded in 1983

The advantage of SU is its open-mindedness, just like Shenzhen.
Or should I say the biggest advantage of SU is Shenzhen!
Deng Xiaoping was named the "father of Shenzhen University".

Do you know Tencent? One of the biggest IT companies in the world.
Its found Ma Huateng graduated from Shenzhen in 1990s.
He has reshaped our life in China!
QQ and Wechat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhen_University

This Chinese idiom can best summarise SU, a famous motto in the campus
脚踏实地
earnest and down-to-earth

 

[Jlaw]

The speed of Shenzhen is mind-blowing, so is the development of Shenzhen University!

Shenzhen University
Founded in 1983
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The advantage of SU is its open-mindedness, just like Shenzhen.
Or should I say the biggest advantage of SU is Shenzhen!
Deng Xiaoping was named the "father of Shenzhen University".

Do you know Tencent? One of the biggest IT companies in the world.
Its found Ma Huateng graduated from Shenzhen in 1990s.
He has reshaped our life in China!
QQ and Wechat
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhen_University

脚踏实地
earnest and down-to-earth
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beautiful state of the art building. Is Shenzhen University considered one of the top univ in China?

 

[AndrewJin]

beautiful state of the art building. Is Shenzhen University considered one of the top univ in China?

Frankly speaking, it's not that yet.
It's more about practical skills. In the recent years, SU has been more engaged in researches.
Ma Huateng, the chairman of Tencent, best reflects its spirit, innovative and down-to-earth!

 

[Jlaw]

Frankly speaking, it's not that yet.
It's more about practical skills. In the recent years, SU has been more engaged in researches.
Ma Huateng, the chairman of Tencent, best reflects its spirit, innovative and down-to-earth!

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SU already has the look to become a reknown university in the near future. How does this univ compare to the highest ranking Indian univ from an aesthetic perspective?

 

[AndrewJin]

SU already has the look to become a reknown university in the near future. How does this univ compare to the highest ranking Indian univ from an aesthetic perspective?

I don't care about their education