Grave of India-Pakistan war hero Brig Usman 'vandalised' in New Delhi

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Indian Muslims need guns. Nothing else.

We are witnessing precisely what the Nazis did to German Jews prior to the holocaust.

Some of our Indian colleagues continue to wonder why we feel very strongly that Indian Muslims should arm themselves immediately.

@HostileInsurgent

The "Night of Broken Glass"

On November 9–10, 1938, the Nazi regime coordinated a wave of antisemitic violence in Nazi Germany. This became known as Kristallnacht or the "Night of Broken Glass."

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

"It appeared to be unplanned, set off by Germans' anger over the assassination of a German official in Paris at the hands of a Jewish teenager. In fact, German propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels and other Nazis carefully organized the pogroms. In two days, over 250 synagogues were burned, over 7,000 Jewish businesses were trashed and looted, dozens of Jewish people were killed, and Jewish cemeteries, hospitals, schools, and homes were looted while police and fire brigades stood by. The pogroms became known as Kristallnacht"

but but but, how dare Indian Muslims even consider arming themselves and fighting back. How dare they.

Need to be careful here. indian so called "Muslims" are also vehemently anti-Pakistani too. They probably hate us more than they hate the sanghis and their ilk.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Need to be careful here. indian so called "Muslims" are also vehemently anti-Pakistani too. They probably hate us more than they hate the sanghis and their ilk.

Must be cautious. You're correct. However, we have learned from past experiences on who can and cannot be trusted. Some are certainly sanghified through and through. However, many Indian Muslims are genuinely thankful that someone in their neighbourhood actually bothers to point out the reality of their plight.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

یہی انجام ہوتا ہے جب بندہ دھوبی کا کتا بن جائے ۔

 

[Baibars_1260]

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[Taimoor Khan]

Govt/RSS ? They are last one to do this ..Anti national elements or it's a sectarian issue ..

Sectarian issue? LOL

Guy looks like a proper secular turd tbh. Was he a Sunni extremist? You have to be a extremist with views against the other sect to be hated by the other side. Otherwise the logic goes out of the window.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Must be cautious. You're correct. However, we have learned from past experiences on who can and cannot be trusted. Some are certainly sanghified through and through. However, many Indian Muslims are genuinely thankful that someone in their neighbourhood actually bothers to point out the reality of their plight.

Times have changed.
Ex-pat Indian Muslims I know are completely alienated.
Usman, Hamid, Shah mean very little to them.
Indian Muslims are not a factor for Pakistani defense.
Our shelling in Kashmir kills hundreds of Muslims which we have to do to strike the enemy within.
In a nuclear exchange Jama Masjid will vanish just as quickly as Raisina Hill.
What Indian Muslims think is of least consequence.
They are fourth class citizens who can't win a single case in their courts.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Must be cautious. You're correct. However, we have learned from past experiences on who can and cannot be trusted. Some are certainly sanghified through and through. However, many Indian Muslims are genuinely thankful that someone in their neighbourhood actually bothers to point out the reality of their plight.

They have got it tough I admit. Everyone needs to step up and fight for themselves at some point.

 

[Baghial]

Grave of India-Pakistan war hero Brig Usman 'vandalised' in New Delhi

'Miscreants' remain unidentified as Indian army claims "matter being looked into at the highest level"



Our Correspondent December 29, 2020

The damaged grave of India-Pakistan's 1947-48 war hero Brigadier Mohammad Usman. PHOTO: The Print
NEW DELHI:
According to the Indian online newspaper The Print, the grave of the India-Pakistan 1947-48 war hero Brigadier Mohammad Usman was vandalised by unidentified 'miscreants'.
The grave was said to be located in south Delhi’s Batla House Qabristan near Jamia Millia Islamia. Residents of the area claim the cemetery was not secure given that both entrance and exit gates were open 24×7, whereas one side of it was completely open to the Jamia Metro Station and main road.
Brigadier Usman was known as ‘Naushera ka Sher’ (the Lion of Naushera), The Print reported. He is credited with leading the famous 50 (Independent) Parachute Brigade that recaptured two strategic locations of the Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir - Jhangar and Naudera - in 1948.
The celebrated soldier's funeral was attended by then Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, President Dr Rajendra Prasad, Governor General C Rajagopalachari, and many other cabinet ministers, according to a report by Heritage Times.
Jamia University’s PRO Ahmad Azeem was quoted as telling The Print that the university was only responsible for maintaining the graveyard ano not the graves.
As per sources in the India army, the matter, which is a “protocol and emotional issue” for the force, was being looked into at the highest level.
Asked if there were plans to shift the remains to the Army Cantonment as suggested by some, sources said the immediate concern was the repair of the graveyard. Any other issue will be decided in time.

Grave of India-Pakistan war hero Brig Usman 'vandalised' in New Delhi | The Express Tribune

'Miscreants' remain unidentified as Indian army claims matter being looked into at the highest level

tribune.com.pk

یہی انجام ہوتا ہے جب بندہ دھوبی کا کتا بن جائے ۔
ننگ دین، ننگ ملت، ننگ وطن، ایمان و دین و ملت و وطن فروش

i told them ,use fauji cement- but no one listned then......
the result is obvious

 

[Baibars_1260]

They have got it tough I admit. Everyone needs to step up and fight for themselves at some point.

The danger that Pakistan is in today is unprecedented. We can't be distracted with the plight of Indian Muslims. They mean nothing to us except their support during the founding of our nation.
We can't allow ourselves to be held psychologically hostage by the Indian Muslims. This is exactly what the enemy wants.
Degrading our morale with the eternal Muslim problem.

- The last thing the enemy wants to hear is that we don't care about Indian Muslims. It's like a kidnapper holding a victim and realizing that the victim is not wanted back.

- Indian Muslims themselves don't want even our verbal sympathy. Whatever little support they are getting from secular forces in India will vanish once Pakistan expresses sympathy for them.

 

[Baghial]

The danger that Pakistan is in today is unprecedented. We can't be distracted with the plight of Indian Muslims. They mean nothing to us except their support during the founding of our nation.
We can't allow ourselves to be held psychologically hostage by the Indian Muslims. This is exactly what the enemy wants.
Degrading our morale with the eternal Muslim problem.

- The last thing the enemy wants to hear is that we don't care about Indian Muslims. It's like a kidnapper holding a victim and realizing that the victim is not wanted back.

- Indian Muslims themselves don't want even our verbal sympathy. Whatever little support they are getting from secular forces in India will vanish once Pakistan expresses sympathy for them.

what we did with M M ALAM----------HERE
USMAN MUST BE LUCKY THERE

 

[El Sidd]

Guys don't ridicule a soldier no matter who's side he was on. Years before and after partition were very confusing for everyone, we today can't fathom what emotional stress or thoughts were going in the minds of Muslims at that time.
Further the grave may be vandalized by Hindus or there's a possibility that even a Muslim may have done it (under the influence that he (the major) was a traitor to the Muslim cause. All in all don't ridicule the dead

Did you just try making sense to them?

Deaf, dumb and Blind don't care.

They see these things as validity of their own persecuted existence.

 

[Baghial]

Did you just try making sense to them?

Deaf, dumb and Blind don't care.

They see these things as validity of their own persecuted existence.

YOUR SENSE IS GIVEN BACK TO U AT YOUR PENSION, after 30 yrs service with dr. goebbels

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Times have changed.
Ex-pat Indian Muslims I know are completely alienated.
Usman, Hamid, Shah mean very little to them.
Indian Muslims are not a factor for Pakistani defense.
Our shelling in Kashmir kills hundreds of Muslims which we have to do to strike the enemy within.
In a nuclear exchange Jama Masjid will vanish just as quickly as Raisina Hill.
What Indian Muslims think is of least consequence.

You're blurring multiple fault lines into one. Kashmir is a separate issue, which you have moreover tried to oversimplify. These are practically the equivalent of French resistance holding out in Vichy France. The IA - like the Nazis in France - will deliberately draw fire to civilian areas in Kashmir in order to hurt Pakistan whenever a Kashmiri civilian is hit. Plenty of video footage is available on this forum demonstrating such firing from civilian areas, never mind the other cases of human shielding and civilian abuse that are documented.

Nobody is saying Pakistan can rely on mainland Indian Muslims to fight even one of Pakistan's battles. However, they remain an ally against a common foe - the hindutva Reich. Their heritage is also inexorably intertwined with our own.

As for expat Indian muslims, that analysis shall be reserved for another thread. I particularly enjoy hearing household discussion updates from my friends who are in a Pakistani Muslim + Indian Muslim union. There seems to be a new "I told you so" moment every week. Terrific fun to listen in on.

 

[El Sidd]

YOUR SENSE IS GIVEN BACK TO U AT YOUR PENSION, after 30 yrs service with dr. goebbels

add 3 years of extension to that

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The danger that Pakistan is in today is unprecedented. We can't be distracted with the plight of Indian Muslims. They mean nothing to us except their support during the founding of our nation.
We can't allow ourselves to be held psychologically hostage by the Indian Muslims. This is exactly what the enemy wants.
Degrading our morale with the eternal Muslim problem.

- The last thing the enemy wants to hear is that we don't care about Indian Muslims. It's like a kidnapper holding a victim and realizing that the victim is not wanted back.

- Indian Muslims themselves don't want even our verbal sympathy. Whatever little support they are getting from secular forces in India will vanish once Pakistan expresses sympathy for them.

AGREE with everything apart from the first part. I personally believe that Pakistan is going through a protracted, painful and tough transformation which in about 10 to 15 years will result in Pakistan becoming a powerful, formidable and strong nation. Something no one is expecting right now.

But yes we need to distance ourselves from indian Muslim issue as they themselves are very anti-Pakistani. They hate us more than they hate the sanghis and their ilk.