Gaza militants launch projectile at Israeli bus; 2 wounded

[Developereo]

Soon as pakistan gives up azad kashmir and balochistan

We are not the ones saying Palestinians should be relocated 'somewhere else'. You guys are advocating it, so you should show the Arabs how it's done. Start with AP since those people have 'all of India' to go to.

 

[Roybot]

Tell you what.

Why don't you guys show the Arabs how it's done?
Give AP to China and relocate all those people to the rest of India.

Deal?

Are you one of those people who expects Israelis to pack up and just leave? Never heard any practical demand or solution from the other side. Indians side with Israel cause of that, not because of any bias against Muslims.

 

[Bhairava]

Why don't Arab world finish this crap.... relocate Palestinians to some arab country and recognize Israel... Israel and USA provide support (financial and humanitarian as compensation).

there are more than 30 arab countries, if they allow 1lakh Palestinian to there country, problem will be solved.. Israel and USA/West/Arab will help these people to relocate at new location... they wyill provide money and education to these people so that these ppl can have better life...

After one generation they will forget this issue and live happily...

You mean Arabs ??

They treat the Palestinians like some second class citizens anyway on par with the South Asians and Filipnos.

 

[Developereo]

Are you one of those people who expects Israelis to pack up and just leave? Never heard any practical demand or solution from the other side. Indians side with Israel cause of that, not because of any bias against Muslims.

I am responding to Black Widow's suggestion that the Palestinians should pack up and leave.

 

[Roybot]

I am responding to Black Widow's suggestion that the Palestinians should pack up and leave.

My bad, but don't you think there should be an achievable demand put forward by the Palestinian side?

 

[Developereo]

My bad, but don't you think there should be an achievable demand put forward by the Palestinian side?

'Achievable' meaning acceptable to Israelis. That's just a euphemism for capitulation.

Clearly, there are no easy solutions. Both sides are dead set on their demands. The Israelis are just as obstinate as the Palestinians; all the so-called peace offers have been sham media stunts.

 

[Roybot]

'Achievable' meaning acceptable to Israelis. That's just a euphemism for capitulation.

Clearly, there are no easy solutions. Both sides are dead set on their demands. The Israelis are just as obstinate as the Palestinians; all the so-called peace offers have been sham media stunts.

But how do we know that. Has the Palestinians ever made a proposal which was turned down by Israelis? We can't just presume that Israel is going to turn down Palestinian proposal, so why bother. We did see Israel pull out of Gaza in 2005 didn't we, that too unilaterally?

I believe once Palestinians start coming to the table with proposals which doesn't include "obliteration of Jews and Israel", situation will improve. This no compromise attitude of militant organizations like HAMAS and Hezbollah is harming the innocent Palestinian civilians if anything.

 

[red_baron]

lol 300 plus insurgencies in india...why dont u indians give them their share?that would mean 300 new countries in the world


as far is israeli occupation is concerned...it wont last longer...no chance in long run...surrounded by arabs from all sides...turkey and libya will blockade the mediterranean when the show down begins

my sincerest advice to ipakman would be to get out asap before he has to start threads such as "how to get out of occupied palestine in one piece?"

 

[Developereo]

But how do we know that. Has the Palestinians ever made a proposal which was turned down by Israelis? We can't just presume that Israel is going to turn down Palestinian proposal, so why bother. We did see Israel pull out of Gaza in 2005 didn't we, that too unilaterally?

I believe once Palestinians start coming to the table with proposals which doesn't include "obliteration of Jews and Israel", situation will improve. This no compromise attitude of militant organizations like HAMAS and Hezbollah is harming the innocent Palestinian civilians if anything.

The two core demands of the Palestinians are:
- return of refugees to their homes
- status of Jerusalem (division, joint administration, etc.)

All the Israeli peace offers have skirted these two central issues, which means they are just meaningless stunts. The Palestinians, to their credit, do not engage in these media stunts like the Israelis.

 

[graphican]

Divya,

Answer me few questions.

• Did Pakistan Capture land of Taliban?
• Did Israel Captured land of Palestinians?

Its actually illogical to compare two realities which are different on their basis. How much do you know about Taliban and Palestinians? Are you even aware what is the fight there? You feel soft about Israelis is an open secret but you crossing the lines of rationality for them is something new.

 

[Soumitra]

as far is israeli occupation is concerned...it wont last longer...no chance in long run...surrounded by arabs from all sides...turkey and libya will blockade the mediterranean when the show down begins

We have been hearing the same about j&K for 62 years. till now you have not been able to do anything. Let me assure you

Sun will rise in the west before Israel end their so called occupation or India gives control of J&K to pakistan.

 

[Solomon2]

Palestine belongs to palestinians, India is so big why not you allocate some land to these israeles scums, better to allocate them near LOC, because we want to teach some lessons to these morons

Before 1948 is was the Jews who were referred to as "Palestinians". Does that mean Palestine belonged to the Jews before independence but not afterwards? Then who, exactly, are the "morons" you "want to teach some lessons" to?

 

[Solomon2]

Hamas must pay dearly

Op-ed: Following attack on school bus, only way to restore lull in Gaza region is deterrence

Alex Fishman
Published: 04.08.11, 15:47 / Israel Opinion

Every American or European mother fully understands the meaning of firing at a yellow bus. A yellow bus is an international warning signing that means “these are children.” Those who fire at a yellow bus with the intention of murdering children are war criminals of the worst kind and a partner for nothing.

Hence, in response to the attack, Israel took the gloves off Thursday. Here there is no need to explain and apologize. The world can and should understand it.

Now we are preparing for several days of fighting in the Strip, including the possibility of rocket attacks at civilians beyond the Gaza region. The IDF Southern Command presented the plan for the upcoming days of fighting to the defense minister. Barak approved, and postponed his trip to the United States.

This time, Israel intends to exact a very heavy price from Hamas, as the State of Israel and IDF have no solution that would fortify civilian transportation in the Gaza region. The only immediate solution is deterrence – and deterrence can only be achieved via plenty of fire.

This time, officials will not accept a Hamas request for a lull via secret channels of UN officials in the area, as happened in the past. In the coming days, the cannons, missiles, tanks, jets and rockets will do the talking, until the blood quota is filled.

Nothing that happened Thursday was coincidental. All the attacks were planned and well orchestrated by Hamas, and the IDF Southern Command prepared for it. Back in the previous round, which started on March 19, we learned that Hamas and Islamic Jihad postpone their response and wait for the timing convenient for them.

On April 2, two senior figures in Hamas’ military wing were assassinated, and the organization announced that it intends to avenge their killing. The clock started ticking and the response arrived Thursday. The surgical strike in Sudan Tuesday may have accelerated the response.

Lukewarm response hurt Israel

Everything that happened yesterday was expected, with the exception of two surprises: The firing of the anti-tank missile at a civilian bus, and Iron Dome’s success in intercepting a Grad rocket.

In military exercises held in the past three or four years, the issue of anti-tank fire at civilian vehicles in the Gaza region always came up. Thus far, rockets and such missiles were fired at military vehicles, including a missile fired at an IDF vehicle that missed its target Thursday.

Yesterday, possibly because of the success of the newly installed missile shield in IDF tanks, and maybe because they could find no other targets, the shooters decided to target the yellow bus. For this crazy decision, Hamas must pay dearly.

Hamas ended the previous round of fighting at the end of March with a sense of achievement. Israel’s relatively lukewarm response gave it the feeling that it can go a little further. Today we also understand that the agreement between Hamas and Islamic Jihad regarding the restoration of the lull at the border with Israel includes some secret understandings as well.

These understandings may include greater coordination between the two groups in fighting Israel, as well as a “price tag” for every killed member in any group. On Thursday, the terrorists fully fulfilled this price tag: They fired at a civilian bus in the aims of murdering children, and they launched rockets at civilian communities. Now, Hamas must not be allowed to complete the current round of fighting with a sense of victory.

 

[1 ummah]

aren't you doing the same with NWFP and balochi people ..

its not me they r america's puppet agents I M 1 WHO IS CALLING MUSLIMS TO EJECT THESE RULERS ALONG SYSTEM WHICH BENEFITS THEM N THEIR MASTERS ONLY!! I M AGAINST THE OPERATIONS THIS ARMY IS CONDUCTING TO CHEER ENEMIES OF ISLAM!!

 

[divya]

Divya,

Answer me few questions.

• Did Pakistan Capture land of Taliban?
• Did Israel Captured land of Palestinians?

Its actually illogical to compare two realities which are different on their basis. How much do you know about Taliban and Palestinians? Are you even aware what is the fight there? You feel soft about Israelis is an open secret but you crossing the lines of rationality for them is something new.

well the ideologies are down the same.
At one end there are palestinians who are fighting for their land at other land talibs are fighting for the sake of religon which according to them has been hijacked by the aam aadmi of pakistan.
In no scenerio can bombing a bus can be justified. Now comes the question comes about kids killed in israeli strikes. Have you noticed the demographies of palestine its too congested. If someone is firing a rocket from the same house which has kids inside do you expect them to clear the house first?
Though i support the right of palestine to co exist with israel but violence can never be solution. The solutions breached past the point where violence would solve the problem without too much damage. Israel has become a force which is hard for the islamic world to reckon with their to support with all major powers. Only talks can solve the situation. But half of islamic world does not look at the reality and is waiting for some maseeha to come and other half dont care