From Bangladesh to Balochistan

[eastwatch]

One of the most important tasks is to identify wther they are Taliban or foreign funded Northern alliance people?

@Eastwatch: we are on a same note to accept that India wants 2 weak neighbors than I certainly cant understand why we think that its only Pakistan which is our country or only Bangladesh is your country? Fine enough now you have got more autonomy to make your decisions( I would not call it independence b/c today is your independence day as well) but with the same level of autonomy which you are enjoying right now, why not cooperate and fulfill the dream which we both had seen 69 years ago? Why should Muslim-subcontinent have boundaries?Cooperation with Pakistan is not against your national interests. Why do you think we have separate visions?

Salman Nedian, please note that we are two separate countries already and are living far apart from each other. However, I can tell you one thing. Whatever may be our depth of sorrow in our hearts because of 1971 killings by the Punjabi military, if there is an attack on Pakistan by India, no one in BD will sit idle in his house.

Everybody will go out to demonstrate against India. I am very much sure of this sentiment of population. You can expect armed volunteers from BD as well. However, if BD military will move or not depends upon many factors. If BD army moves its forces suddenly towards the border, it will certainly loosen the Indian grip in the west. But, who knows what BD army will do in such a situation.

I think, India is not after direct assault, only because Pakistan is not that weak. So, India is making a two-front covert assault there. One is Balooch and the other is Mehsudi Pathans. Pakistan must start developing Baluchistan, but fight the Indian stooge Mehsudis until they throw away their arms. India is doing sweet talking with Pakistan, but, at the same time, sending logistics to the Mehsudis.

I again say, the future of Pakistan and the Muslim community of our region depends upon how succeessfully Pakistan can tackle their internal twin problems.

 

[paritosh]

Salman Nedian, please note that we are two separate countries already and are living far apart from each other. However, I can tell you one thing. Whatever may be our depth of sorrow in our hearts because of 1971 killings by the Punjabi military, if there is an attack on Pakistan by India, no one in BD will sit idle in his house.

Everybody will go out to demonstrate against India. I am very much sure of this sentiment of population. You can expect armed volunteers from BD as well. However, if BD military will move or not depends upon many factors. If BD army moves its forces suddenly towards the border, it will certainly loosen the Indian grip in the west. But, who knows what BD army will do in such a situation.

I think, India is not after direct assault, only because Pakistan is not that weak. So, India is making a two-front covert assault there. One is Balooch and the other is Mehsudi Pathans. Pakistan must start developing Baluchistan, but fight the Indian stooge Mehsudis until they throw away their arms. India is doing sweet talking with Pakistan, but, at the same time, sending logistics to the Mehsudis.

I again say, the future of Pakistan and the Muslim community of our region depends upon how succeessfully Pakistan can tackle their internal twin problems.

It is really not as simple as you think it is....for years...decades after our infamous defeat to the Chinese...the Indian govt has acted in overdrive...intelligent people high up predicted the Sino-Pak venture forming years before it materialized...a country should be prepared for the worst and the worst in our case would be two enemies grouping together and ganging up on us...these obviously would have been China and Pakistan.For years we have predicted and feared a war where we'd have to bear the brunt on two fronts...
do you know why the IAF goes on cryinbg about getting the sanctioned squadron strength of 42 when even 36 is a large number?


now if in war with Pakistan...bangladesh instead of China intervenes in all the ways mentioned in your posts(peaceful demonstration
ruled out)..we'd declare war....and be ready to handle the second front....cuz there are few countries that can fill in china's shoes...and Bangladesh is not one of them.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

On the contrary, no one can claim that any Bangali leader conspired with India before the '71 crackdown. West pakistani leaders forced us to get Indian help by putting guns at our heads. The would-be-Prime Minister of Pakistan was arrested and hooliganism was started by the Pakistan army.

This is actually only your opinion since there is sufficient evidence to show that Sheikh Mujib had engaged in a subversive conspiracy in 1963 against Pakistan which subsequently became known as the Agartala conspiracy case. The facts of the case are true and can be found in several books on the subject written by Bangladeshis. Indians started recruiting East Pakistan student leaders for dismemberment of Pakistan from the mid-1950's.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Indians are masters at exploiting underlying feelings of disenchantment and disillusionment which they did brilliantly prior to 1971. Pakistan must stop looking for the Indian hand in everything and resolve the underlying social problems and inequalities within their country. They failed to do this before 1971 and the Indians exploited this to their advantage. Another excellent example is the Pilkhana massacre where ordinary BDR sepoys were angered by corruption of senior army officers deputed to them. Indians and the AL stepped in and exploited the anger which resulted in the mass killing.

 

[EjazR]

I again say, the future of Pakistan and the Muslim community of our region depends upon how succeessfully Pakistan can tackle their internal twin problems.

I disagree, Islam is not Pakistan's jagir. Just because you are a muslim in India or Bangladesh does not him inferior to a Pakistani muslim. It is taqwa that matters.

And dont forget the Muslim population of India and Bangladesh combined is much bigger than that of even Indonesia. So I suggest you come out of your inferiority complex.

But yes I agree that the future of Pakistan and the people in that region of Pakistan (muslims as well as non muslims) depends on how Pakistan solves this. Bangladeshi and Indian muslims can chart their own future, and if our Pakistani brothers need help we can help them too.

 

[Su 30mki]

Well Baluchistan has 14 % of Pak Population and represent only 14 seats in assembly,

while FATA only have 2.5% of Population only represented by 12 seats

Why is this injustice to them?

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

I disagree, Islam is not Pakistan's jagir. Just because you are a muslim in India or Bangladesh does not him inferior to a Pakistani muslim. It is taqwa that matters.

And dont forget the Muslim population of India and Bangladesh combined is much bigger than that of even Indonesia. So I suggest you come out of your inferiority complex.

But yes I agree that the future of Pakistan and the people in that region of Pakistan (muslims as well as non muslims) depends on how Pakistan solves this. Bangladeshi and Indian muslims can chart their own future, and if our Pakistani brothers need help we can help them too.

Saudi Arab has defense contract with Pakistan, If they get attacked Pakistan will reply and that's why 7000Km missile is ready. we are their deterrent.
Saudi Arab (F-15s) and UAE (Mirage 2000)forth generation planes are being piloted by Pakistanis. In Bosnia Pakistani Army went as Pace keepers.
What can Bangladeshi and Indian Muslim do for defense of Islam? They are like 0 + 0 for Islamic world defense.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Well Baluchistan has 14 % of Pak Population and represent only 14 seats in assembly,

while FATA only have 2.5% of Population only represented by 12 seats

Why is this injustice to them?

Mind your own busniess don't put fuel on the fire

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Pakistan must stop looking for the Indian hand in everything and resolve the underlying social problems and inequalities within their country.

Yes it takes two hands to clap , Pakistan made huge mistakes in 71 and India exploited them.

 

[Screaming Skull]

Saudi Arab has defense contract with Pakistan, If they get attacked Pakistan will reply and that's why 7000Km missile is ready. we are their deterrent.
Saudi Arab (F-15s) and UAE (Mirage 2000)forth generation planes are being piloted by Pakistanis. In Bosnia Pakistani Army went as Pace keepers.
What can Bangladeshi and Indian Muslim do for defense of Islam? They are like 0 + 0 for Islamic world defense.

This is by far the most preposterous thing I have read in this thread. You think by allegedly signing a contract to protect Saudi and flying their jets you are doing a service to Islam? Rubbish! Do I have to remind you as to how many Muslims are dying in your own land? Your country is ravaged by a deadly war that was partly your own making. Several Muslim men and women are living in so much discomfort in your own country and you think that you are doing a service to Islam by developing missiles for Saudi?

Indian and Bangladeshi Muslims are doing mighty well. They are doing the greatest service to Islam by not indulging in anti-social activities against their country or any other country in the world. They are doing a great service to Islam by being true Muslims and upholding the true virtues of Islam. They are doing service to Islam by spreading the message of the Prophet and the Quran to other communities in their respective countries. No Muslim, whether in India, Bangladesh or Pakistan needs to produce a certificate to prove what he/she has done for Islam! As long as one follows the book to the best of one’s ability as a Muslim, he/she is doing a service to Islam.

 

[pmukherjee]

This is actually only your opinion since there is sufficient evidence to show that Sheikh Mujib had engaged in a subversive conspiracy in 1963 against Pakistan which subsequently became known as the Agartala conspiracy case. The facts of the case are true and can be found in several books on the subject written by Bangladeshis. Indians started recruiting East Pakistan student leaders for dismemberment of Pakistan from the mid-1950's.

Great, really great. Now the father of Bangladesh Nation, "Sheikh Mujib had engaged in a subversive conspiracy in 1963 against Pakistan". Maybe he wanted freedom for the Bangladeshis against Pakistan's tyranny, and in this he got all the help he could get.

In India we have a historical leader called Netaji Subhash Bose, he sought help from Nazi Germany, Communist USSR and Fascist Japan to fight for India's freedom. He even convinced the Japanese to free the Indian prisoners of war (captured in Malaya and Singapur) and formed the Azad Hind Fauj to attack the British Army in Nagaland. Netaji is admired and worshiped in India and not cursed as a traitor.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

This is by far the most preposterous thing I have read in this thread. You think by allegedly signing a contract to protect Saudi and flying their jets you are doing a service to Islam? Rubbish! Do I have to remind you as to how many Muslims are dying in your own land? Your country is ravaged by a deadly war that was partly your own making. Several Muslim men and women are living in so much discomfort in your own country and you think that you are doing a service to Islam by developing missiles for Saudi?

Indian and Bangladeshi Muslims are doing mighty well. They are doing the greatest service to Islam by not indulging in anti-social activities against their country or any other country in the world. They are doing a great service to Islam by being true Muslims and upholding the true virtues of Islam. They are doing service to Islam by spreading the message of the Prophet and the Quran to other communities in their respective countries. No Muslim, whether in India, Bangladesh or Pakistan needs to produce a certificate to prove what he/she has done for Islam! As long as one follows the book to the best of one’s ability as a Muslim, he/she is doing a service to Islam.

Wow when did u become voice of Bangladeshi and Indian Muslims can't they speak for them self don't put your words in their mouth and minds.

Several Muslim men and women are living in so much discomfort in your own country

and I think Muslims in India are living a life of luxury like the places shown in "slum dog millionaire". Man that Muslim father was tiring to sell his daughter to a Arab , what a great life Indian Muslims have.

Muslim Deobandi Madrassas in India are the pioneer of extremism from 18th century so that's the service they are doing for Islam???

 

[Zulfiqar]

Bangladeshi and Indian muslims can chart their own future, and if our Pakistani brothers need help we can help them too.

Help yourself first, we will take care of ourselves. Thank You!

 

[M_Saint]

This is actually only your opinion since there is sufficient evidence to show that Sheikh Mujib had engaged in a subversive conspiracy in 1963 against Pakistan which subsequently became known as the Agartala conspiracy case. The facts of the case are true and can be found in several books on the subject written by Bangladeshis. Indians started recruiting East Pakistan student leaders for dismemberment of Pakistan from the mid-1950's.

Icing on Munshi Vhai's dissemination on SK Mujib's conspiracies--

According to a foreign journalist Sheikh Mujib was a born agitator. He could not cut himself off from the role of an agitator and he died as an agitator. The following extracts of the Far Eastern Economic Review of 29th August 1975 are interesting:-
“As per the round table conference it was decided to have a coalition government of the Awami League and the People’s party. Although this was a secret agreement we came to know of it.” (According to Shahjahan Shiraj)

Sheikh Mujib had not taken any decision regarding the division of Pakistan or creation of an independent Bangladesh. The first major political meeting o the Awami League after the 1970 elections was held on 3rd January 1971 at the Ramna Race Course Maidan. On that day Sheikh Mujib administered the oath to the newly elected members of the Central and Provincial Legislatures who were appointed on Awami League tickets. The last word of this oath was “Jai Bangla, Jai Pakistan”. The following are the extracts of the report on the oath taking as reported on Daily Pakistan…consolidate the Awami League in every Union and in every locality and be prepared to kill all those who stab during the night. Sheikh Mujib advised everyone to keep a bamboo pole in his hand to kill the terrorists and the agent of the terrorists.It may be mentioned that the plan for an armed struggle for the creation of an independent East Bengal was presented. Sheikh Mujib called upon his party men to eliminate those who were planning an armed struggle for independence.

The Pakistan Observer of the same day reported “Sheikh Mujib thanked Yahya for fulfilling his commitment in holding the elections. However, he said that there was a section among his (Yahya’s) subordinates who were still conspiring to undo the election results.” In response to this felicitation Yahya Khan summoned the parliament at Dhaka on the 3rd of March and dissolved the Cab** on 22nd February. Daily Dawn of 1st March 1971 wrote that Sheikh Mujib also reiterated his assurance that these points would not be imposed on any one. This was a move by Sheikh Mujib to make himself acceptable to the West Pakistanis. On 2nd March , when on behalf of the freedom loving students the then DAKSU VP A.S.M. Rob hoisted the flag of free Bangladesh in the University, Mujib condemned it. On 3rd march at a public meeting at the Paltan Maidan Chatra League leader Shahjahan Shiraj made the declaration of independence as per the original plan and Sheikh Mujib was to lead the procession after the meeting but this was cancelled. On 7th March at a public meeting at the racecourse Sheikh Mujib while addressing the crowed said Jai Bangla, Jai Punjab, Jai Sindhu, Jai Baluchistan and Jai Pakistan.On 14th march he announced that he is ready to hold discussion with Yahya Khan. On 15th March Yahya Khan came to Dhaka and on the 16th he had a close door meeting with Mujib at 11 o’clock. On 19th March there was a meeting in which three advisors were present from both sides. On 20th March Sheikh Mujib along with six top leaders of Awami League held a 130 meeting with Gen. Yahya Khan. After the meeting he told newsmen at his residence that there has been some progress in the discussion and everything will be all right. On 22nd March Yahya Khan cancelled the Parliament session which was scheduled to take place on 25th March. This announcement was made while a meeting between Yahya Khan, Bhutto and Mujib was in progress. It is very clear that the decision to postpone the Parliament session was on the basis of this tripartite meeting. It is clear that Yahya Khan took the decision with the concurrence of Mujibur Rahman and Bhutto. On 23rd March on Pakistan Day the students held a demonstration and forcibly hoisted the Bangladeshi flag in the residence and car of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. Mujibur Rahman condemned this and he told Yahya Khan that this was due to the enthusiasm of the students and he does not support them. Even after this he stated that ht e discussion would continue as progress has been made but what progress had been made was never made known to the people. However, Bhutto gave an indication. The Dawn of 25th March stated “ Bhutto held a night-long session on Monday with his partymen examining the terms of the broad agreement and understanding reached between President Yahya Khan and Sheikh Mujibur Rahman to end the present political crisis in the country . We will now try to find out what was the broad agreement between Mujib and Bhutto.

The agreement and understanding between Bhutto and Mujib has not been made public even today. Behind the screen Bhutto and Mujb had finalised the blueprint of a mass genocide. The independent loving public had no indication of any conspiracy at that time . One or two persons who could have questioned about it at that time floated away in the mass hysteria of Mujib’s popularity. Any one questioning him was dubbed as a Pakistani agent and was threatened as they were supposed to be enemies of Bangladesh. After the 1970 General Elections no one had the right to question Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. Those who have analysed the history of Bangladesh have understood the conspiracy of Mujibur Rahman long ago. On 25th March Mujibur Rahman had amended his non co-operation movement on what basis? He had lifted the embargo on export of jute on transmission of telegram via London and delivery of parcels by PIA. These were from the results of the sector pact between Bhutto and Mujib.
Just before the surrendering to the Pakistani army on the mid night of the 25th March in an interview with the famous French newspaper La Monde Sheikh Mujib had stated “Is the Pakistan Government not aware that I am the only person able to save East Pakistan from the Communists? This interview was published on the 31st of March 1971.

Please scroll down to read Faruk's post, which is as exact as above one in the following link...

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[EjazR]

Wow when did u become voice of Bangladeshi and Indian Muslims can't they speak for them self don't put your words in their mouth and minds.


and I think Muslims in India are living a life of luxury like the places shown in "slum dog millionaire". Man that Muslim father was tiring to sell his daughter to a Arab , what a great life Indian Muslims have.

Yes there are poor muslims in India (infact majority muslims fall in this category), but so is the case with others in India, as well as with Pakistan and Bangladesh. The main thing is what is GoI doing to alleviate this, and the present government is doing a better job (compared to BJP) in this regard. There is no doubt that Minority communities do need extra help in any country and GoIs' efforts like the minority affairs ministry, Sachar report e.t.c. are all examples of this extra help being provided to help the under-priviledged among not only muslims but all minority communities. There are other issues like Communal violence and hate speech/literature that are being looked into and improved.

Though I agree, still needs more work to be done to uplift not only under-priviledged minority communities but all Indians. No society can be perfect there will always be room for improvement, but atleast it should be moving TOWARDS that ideal goal instead of away from it.

Muslim Deobandi Madrassas in India are the pioneer of extremism from 18th century so that's the service they are doing for Islam???

Before you selfishly malign deoband in India, go check your facts, its was the hijacking of deoband schools by Pakistani intelligence/CIA/Saudi interests that resulted in extremism. These madrassas don't even follow religious ruling released by Dar-ul-uloom Deoband in India, then how can they be related? It is unfortunate that you would stoop as low as Islamaphobes who potray Deoband in a bad light by connecting it to extremism.

And just because these ulema who fought against the British colonialist you want to call that extermist? They had a very important part in the freedom struggle, which unfortuntately is completely negated in Pakistan, and isn't highlighted as much as it should in India.