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Okay negative Karen, off you go.. Hush!What a cheesy thread full of low self esteem. LOL
The new generation of Turks have little differance and gravitate more towards Ukrainans, Bulgarians, Germans, Isreali's other Turkic people like Azerbaiijabni etc then Pakistani's. What I am saying is Turks are just a Western people compared to Pakiostani's.
Good for you. Not making 'amends' on this front is like a itch that never goes.Although I made amends in Prague and Berlin
I like that positive attitude. My sentiments were expressed as in hoping in my lifetime.They did not teach me to give up, to lose hope. So, I am hoping
I agree with most of your post apart from the above. By the way the point about the Turkish actors was hilarious i.e. when Pakistani Twitter users were questioning the females on their modesty, when wearing bikinis.
Now for the gravitation part, Ukrainians are the most bigoted people on earth when it comes to Turks and Muslims in general. They literally have zero concept of diversity and hold views that would make the SS blush. Do you remember the world cup documentary from the BBC when they were beating up Indian fans in the stadium, despite supporting a Ukrainian team? How about the young chap who came to the UK who decided to blow up three mosques (failed) but managed to martyr an old Pakistani Haji in Birmingham. Having come across regular Ukrainians they strike me as cold, even with other white folk, and certainly not a people that any ethnicity will be drawn to.
I have been to Turkey many times and never seen anyone gravitate to these people, in fact it's the opposite.
The Bulgarians you can say are just as bad if not far worse, these guys literally have the Ottoman Empire burned into them and simply despise Turks, even though nearly 1/10th of the population is Turkish. Their past has been erased by the authorities, or at he very best is not recognised. Sure the brutal purges of the communist days are gone when there were policies like the mass expulsion of Turks!
Read this;
Bulgaria’s denial of its Ottoman past and Turkish identity
Despite more than five hundred years of Turkish rule, the majority of present-day Bulgarians demonise and reject “non-Bulgarian” – that is, Turkish, Muslim, or Roma – influences in their history and culture. While the Bulgarian government’s harshest policies of ethnic cleansing concluded with...neweasterneurope.eu
Again I have never seen this, but if any young Turks get this idea of cozying up to such people then they are going to get the shock of their lives!
You then mentioned the Germans, I'm sorry having known them all through my life they just plain and simply hold bigoted views towards Turks. We had them on this board, and even the moderate ones let's say didn't have anything good to say about our Turkish friends. It's worse from the Eastern ones, but even the Western ones are very stand offish, and if you can get the Germans to speak openly about it, which is hard as they tend to be refrain themselves you'll see what I mean. How do you think parties such as the AFD became the thirst largest party in Germany, although they've recently slumped in the polls. Much of their rhetoric is anti-Turkish and anti-Muslim. For example Andre Poggenburg, a senior leader of their party called German Turks 'camel drivers' openly! But he 'resigned', but it just goes to show you how rife it is.
The Azeri stuff is spot on, not sure about the Israelis, I don't know any.
You also have to remember the Turks whether they bow fives times a day to prayer, or spend their time drinking, partying etc, are a pragmatic people. They know they have very few if any true allies, and no matter what do view the Pakistanis through the brotherhood prism i.e. if it's not them then we sure as hell can't turn to the Europeans who have never got over their gates of Vienna complex (see France). Many of them do also say that Pakistanis are far more conservative etc and there can be mishaps and some gulf, but not enough for the two people to turn away.
I mean't in cultural way. You would have noticed masses of Ukrainanians in Istanbul. And don't ever say this to Turks but most Anatolians are native Hitites washed with waves of Greeks, Bulgars, Macedoniians, Serbs. A very tny % of Turkish DNA is actually Turkic from Central Asia. Most Turks cluster with Balkan, Italian, Greek and other Meditearnean peoples. There is precious little "desi" about them. Thus the shock when out lot found out Esra in real life.I agree with most of your post apart from the above.
What a cheesy thread full of low self esteem. LOL
I mean't in cultural way. You would have noticed masses of Ukrainanians in Istanbul. And don't ever say this to Turks but most Anatolians are native Hitites washed with waves of Greeks, Bulgars, Macedoniians, Serbs. A very tny % of Turkish DNA is actually Turkic from Central Asia. Most Turks cluster with Balkan, Italian, Greek and other Meditearnean peoples. There is precious little "desi" about them. Thus the shock when out lot found out Esra in real life.
Anyone who thinks Turks will "gravitate" towards Europe is deluded....will they take inspiration from Europe? Maybe...
But with the current rise of nationalism around the world, Europe's Islamophobic fervor and other factors...I see otherwise.
But I respect the Turks for one thing. Out of a mass of ethnic groups, Balkan, Greek, Bulgars, Tatar, Georgian, Chechen, Chuvash, Macedonian, Circassian, Armenian, Kurds they managed to make uber-nationalistic Turkey with their own brand "Turkey". Despite Turks sharing amazing similarity to Greeks the Turks have a clear identity as "Turks" unlike our lot who dance around with Desi food, Asian dress, Muslim culture, Pakistan Army, South Asian, Indian etc with identities jumping around.
Our food is branded as desi or Indian, our culture Asian, our dress code Indian etc etc please don't deny the obvious.Pakistani and Muslim is what the overwhelming majority says.