France says it cannot deliver Mistral warship to Russia over Ukraine

[ptldM3]

Seems like Japan will purchase these babies...

Japan Should Buy the Mistrals - WSJ

About half of the ship was built in Russia. There is also Russian weapons systems and electronics onboard. The only way France is selling the Mistral to anyone is if it removes the aft part of the haul as well as electronics and weapons systems.

If France does sell the ship to Japan the Russian navy will probably annex the ship and send the Japanese crew home on rubber dinghies.

 

[Indischer]

Don't take my word for it, read it yourself.


French Mistral Amphibious Assault Ships Still On Track Delivery Russia





The honor is all yours

And I repeat, what exactly were the commercial standards followed during construction of these ships,and in which aspects?

The Mistrals come with armour-protected hulls, which are not seen in any ship built for commercial operation. This alone would qualify them to be classified as vessels built to military standards. As for armament, it need not even have a single gun onboard, as engaging in active combat is not it's role. It will always be escorted by ships who carry the firepower needed to protect her and themselves. Besides, armament on such large ships is always scalable.

 

[tonyget]

And I repeat, what exactly were the commercial standards followed during construction of these ships,and in which aspects?

The Mistrals come with armour-protected hulls, which are not seen in any ship built for commercial operation. This alone would qualify them to be classified as vessels built to military standards. As for armament, it need not even have a single gun onboard, as engaging in active combat is not it's role. It will always be escorted by ships who carry the firepower needed to protect her and themselves. Besides, armament on such large ships is always scalable.

Even among Europe ,French weapons are most expensive ones. So you tell me why the Mistrals are so damn cheap ?

 

[Indischer]

Even among Europe ,French weapons are most expensive ones. So you tell me why the Mistrals are so damn cheap ?

Who says they're damn cheap?? They're COMPARATIVELY cheaper. 600 million is no small amount, in case you didn't notice it yet. And check again, they're still the costliest amphibious assault ship design from Europe. Add to the ship it's air and water-borne complement, and the cost will be well-near 1.5Billion$.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

We were planning to buy 3 Wasp class ships from the US, but these Mistrals also fit the role.

If true, then this is a blessing in disguise for both France and Japan.



I think that it could be a possibility if France sells 1 ship to Japan and 1 to Turkey. This would serve the interests of the wider NATO alliance.

The Mistral's are significantly smaller than a Wasp/America. 199m vs 257m, 21,000 tons vs 45,000 tons.

That's a big deal if you want F35Bs.

 

[senheiser]

idiotic move made by another US ally (colony) here is some reality check

Russia hasnt paid
Russia Won't Pay for French Mistral Warships Until Second Delivered | Business | The Moscow Times

and Russia got technology
France Transfers Mistral Technology to Russia Ahead of Schedule

So basicly Russia got the technology to built these ships for free from France

02.11.2012
France transfers construction technology of Mistral-class amphibious assault ships to Russia ahead of schedule, reports RIA Novosti referring to Russian defense minister Anatoly Serdiukov.

As for him, "French partners are handing over new technologies not only for the first two Mistrals but even for third and fourth ones", reports the news agency.

 

[C130]

idiotic move made by another US ally (colony) here is some reality check

Russia hasnt paid
Russia Won't Pay for French Mistral Warships Until Second Delivered | Business | The Moscow Times

and Russia got technology
France Transfers Mistral Technology to Russia Ahead of Schedule

So basicly Russia got the technology to built these ships for free from France

heh, U.S colony that's cute.
and we'll see just how much knowledge Russia truly got from the Frenchies.

 

[Aepsilons]

The Mistral's are significantly smaller than a Wasp/America. 199m vs 257m, 21,000 tons vs 45,000 tons.

That is right. Its almost as large as the Chinese Carrier Liaoning (standard displacement of 53,000 tonnes), the WASP class has a standard displacement of 45,000 tonnes.

The Liaoning can carry up to 30+ aircraft plus 20 or so helicopters. The WASP class can carry up to 22+ F-35Bs, and up to 15 helicopters. Its actually beginner than the INS Viraat, which has a displacement of only 23,000 tonnes. It carries the same amount of tonnage as the INS Vikramaditya, which also is at 45,000 tonnes.

In all tense and purposes the WASP Class or the AMERICA Class can be considered Aircraft Carriers....

 

[tonyget]

Who says they're damn cheap?? They're COMPARATIVELY cheaper. 600 million is no small amount, in case you didn't notice it yet.

A cargo ship with same displacement would cost that much

 

[C130]

not a bad looking ship for the price

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

idiotic move made by another US ally (colony) here is some reality check

Russia hasnt paid
Russia Won't Pay for French Mistral Warships Until Second Delivered | Business | The Moscow Times

and Russia got technology
France Transfers Mistral Technology to Russia Ahead of Schedule

So basicly Russia got the technology to built these ships for free from France

I doubt France would hand over anything for free.What would stop Russia from backing out the second they got the plans?

 

[Aepsilons]

Mistral Class of the French Navy

 

[mike2000]

I think this should send a strong signal to Russia that they cant expect to keep intervening in Ukraine without consequences. I really dont understand Russias actions. they should just have seized Crimea and stop there. they had already achived their objectives, But they still seem to want eastern Ukraine as well. This is different from Crimea, as its not a land that was ceded by presidencial decree or whatever. So Russia should seek a peaceful solution to this situation, since continuing arming and sending its troops convertly in Ukraine will only make matters worst for it and the west as well. Nobody benefits from this situation.

In this regard , i welcome france decision. I think it might make Putin think twice about his actions. Since France has an independent foreign policy and is selfish of its soverignty and has gone against U.S interests/decisions in the past several times. so it cant be seen as just a pressure/being a puppet of the U.S, but reflects a genuine fustration with Russias actions.

In some way, its good this crisis happened, since Europe was beginning to think Russia will never act aggressively the way they did, and our officials had been reducing military size/budgets thinking we have no immediate threats in the neighbourhood. Ukraine crisis changed everything. Now we are going to start take more measures to maintain/increase our defence postures and not always wait for the U.S to share all the burden.

 

[C130]

poor russia no place to put her KA-52K in the foreseeable future

time to call the Chinese

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Just feed your Hyuga some Big Macs instead of Sushi, i'm sure it'll grow in size

But seriously, Mistral maybe cheaper than the Hyuga, but you have to consider the armament on the Hyunga, im sure when you start adding Mk 41s, Phalanxs, torpedoes the price tag will go up.

Along with modifying the systems to the ones the JDF is used to the tag will go higher.

If France does sell the ship to Japan the Russian navy will probably annex the ship and send the Japanese crew home on rubber dinghies.

Hey only we *American Flag* can make fun of the French. @Gabriel92