France says it cannot deliver Mistral warship to Russia over Ukraine

[C130]

France will sell to anyone with $$$. Japan has that with the Defense spending boost. But it also has it's own ships that fit the mission/ objectives of the Mistrals.

bro more the merrier.
who ever does get these ships it will be a slap to Russia face

I just like Mistral cause it's 4 times cheaper to build than America while just being a tad smaller/lighter.

viva la France oldest european ally.

 

[Penguin]

Seems like Japan will purchase these babies...

Japan Should Buy the Mistrals - WSJ

Turkey approved acquisition of an LHD in 2006, selected Juan Carlos design. If the deal were good enough, perhaps they could be swayed (as their ship is yet to be constructed)

 

[Gabriel92]

bro more the merrier.
who ever does get these ships it will be a slap to Russia face

I just like Mistral cause it's 4 times cheaper to build than America while just being a tad smaller/lighter.

viva la France oldest european ally.

Was that a joke ?
I thought we were the "Cheese-eating surrender monkeys".

 

[Aepsilons]

Turkey approved acquisition of an LHD in 2006, selected Juan Carlos design. If the deal were good enough, perhaps they could be swayed (as their ship is yet to be constructed)

Definitely this would be an asset to the Turkish Navy, in fact as a NATO ally, Turkey should be given priority status to these sales, as it would enhance Turkey's ability to project its power. Japan is currently building our 2nd Izumo Class Light Carrier, which is to be set to be finished in 2017. We have plans to purchase 3 Wasp Class ships as well, so in the event that the Mistrals can't be sold to us, its fine. We have other means.

The point is; France doesn't really lose much as she has plenty of potential buyers.

 

[C130]

Was that a joke ?
I thought we were the "Cheese-eating surrender monkeys".

no
without the Frenchies we would probably still be a colony or the revolution would of been delayed for who knows how much longer
but
we did pay back the debt in WW1 and WW2
so we're even

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Was that a joke ?
I thought we were the "Cheese-eating surrender monkeys".

You are but you're OUR Cheese-eating surrendering Monkeys.

 

[tonyget]

Mistral would be a hell a lot of cheaper to procure than the 3.5 billion per ship America Class
but meh gotta keep those American shipyards going though

Mistral is cheap because it is built to commercial standards not military standards

 

[Penguin]

We were planning to buy 3 Wasp class ships from the US.

?! No longer being built, and they aint selling them used. > America class, if at all ....

Why buy US when Japan is already building large flat tops again? A variant of 22DDH Izumo class e.g.

The pertinent Jane's article reports only the Japananse intention to acquire an LHA/LHD. It does not at all suggest a US ship or design will be acquired. The Japanese MoD is (also) planning to perform a major refit on the Osumi-class to improve their amphibious capabilities.
Onodera sets out plans to buy amphibious assault ships - IHS Jane's 360
List of active Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force ships - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WorldWideAircraftCarriers.com - 22DDH Class Page

 

[C130]

Mistral is cheap because it is built to commercial standards not military standards

go on. what's the difference in performance and safety?? and does it justify the the nearly 5 times cost increase.

 

[Penguin]

go on. what's the difference in performance and safety?? and does it justify the the nearly 5 times cost increase.

On Mistral civil standards and technologies are used in the production process, which significantly reduces both cost and time to completion. Consider use of commercial off the shelf component versus special (re)designed military part.

So what does it mean Mistal class is built to "commercial" standard (vs military standards?)
- Structural integrity requirements are relaxed compared to military standards
- relaxed standards with regards to shock absorption, hull strength, compartmentalisation

On the plus side:
- civilian standards are pretty high these days, so structurally the differences are not as great as they were, for example, in WW2
- Most amphibs are constructed to civilian standards these days.
- it is a matter of certification: the Royal Navy upgraded HMS Ocean from Lloyd's standard to Admiralty standard after she was finished, the difference was only in reliability of electricity etc.
- civilian standards are stricter on environment

Food for thought: "throw away" light fleet carriers of the british Colossus class were constructed to Lloyd's standards in WW2 and the last one left service in ... 2001

 

[Aepsilons]

Japanese Defence Minister Itsunori Onodera has said that Tokyo is to consider the purchase of at least one amphibious assault ship.


"We are intending to acquire a transport ship capable of promptly sending out Self-Defense Force (SDF) units on missions to defend Japan's remote islands," Onodera told reporters after inspecting the Wasp-class assault ship USS Makin Island (LHD 8) at the US Navy's San Diego base on 7 July.

The Japanese Ministry of Defence confirmed to IHS Jane's in January that the Osumi class will be upgraded to allow them to embark BAE Systems AAV7A1 amphibious assault vehicles and Bell-Boeing MV-22 Osprey tiltrotor aircraft, both of which Japan intends to buy from the United States.


Asked about the difference with the existing Japanese ships, Onodera pointed to the fact that the Wasp class can carry many more LCACs below deck, and that the upper deck can carry many aircraft including MV-22s. He also said the ship is also fully compatible with operations using AAV7s.

Onodera sets out plans to buy amphibious assault ships - IHS Jane's 360

 

[Skull and Bones]

If France can't sell these ships to Russia, perhaps she should consider selling them to other friendly nations. I'm sure we can consider purchasing these.

Indiyeah!!!!

 

[C130]

?! No longer being built, and they aint selling them used. > America class, if at all ....

Why buy US when Japan is already building large flat tops again? A variant of 22DDH Izumo class e.g.

The pertinent Jane's article reports only the Japananse intention to acquire an LHA/LHD. It does not at all suggest a US ship or design will be acquired. The Japanese MoD is (also) planning to perform a major refit on the Osumi-class to improve their amphibious capabilities.
Onodera sets out plans to buy amphibious assault ships - IHS Jane's 360
List of active Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force ships - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WorldWideAircraftCarriers.com - 22DDH Class Page

Wasp can carry more aircraft and of larger size than the Izumo?
like the V-22 Osprey??

they must have their reasons if they want'em
and by god I hope they do

 

[Indischer]

Indiyeah!!!!

Bharatiyeah!

 

[gau8av]

damn that's shame, but will France have to pay a penalty under the international trade regime ?