France says it cannot deliver Mistral warship to Russia over Ukraine

[Aepsilons]

damn that's shame, but will France have to pay a penalty under the international trade regime ?

That remains the question. It is indeed serious if they abrogate the sales treaty, but considering the geopolitical issues at hand, im sure a ruling would be made in their (France) favor.

 

[C130]

damn that's shame, but will France have to pay a penalty under the international trade regime ?

depends? how it does it work??
must be a clause to abstain France of any wrong doing

 

[Indischer]

Mistral is cheap because it is built to commercial standards not military standards

And what exactly are "commercial standards" ? The ability to accommodate anywhere between 20-40 Helicopters, upto 50+ tanks and 500+ troops??

 

[tonyget]

Where is French business credibility ?

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Where is French business credibility ?

There never was. Have you tried negotiating a trade with a French Company?

 

[Aepsilons]

There never was. Have you tried negotiating a trade with a French Company?

I'm sure they're not all that bad. They're still proceeding with the $16 Billion USD fighter deal with the Indian counterparts.

And what exactly are "commercial standards" ? The ability to accommodate anywhere between 20-40 Helicopters, upto 50+ tanks and 500+ troops??

Ha Ha Ha, suffice to say we can call this ship a 'Light Carrier' or 'Helicopter Carrier'.

But the Chinese can refer to these as 'Commercial' standards if they so desire.

 

[C130]

we can argue about "commerical" or "military" standards, but as long as it's seaworthy and can handle the rough seas I don't see a difference except you saving a shit ton of $$.

and plus if a anti-ship missiles hits one of these don't think it would really matter. you going to have one bad day.

 

[Aepsilons]

we can argue about "commerical" or "military" standards, but as long as it's seaworthy and can handle the rough seas I don't see a difference except you saving a shit ton of $$.

and plus if a anti-ship missiles hits one of these don't think it would really matter. you going to have one bad day.

I doubt an SSM would be able to hit this in actual battle formation, considering the formation in a naval flotilla, these would be placed in the center , with any carrier based platform, with its flanks protected by a combination of corvettes, frigates, destroyers and or cruisers.

 

[Indischer]

I'm sure they're not all that bad. They're still proceeding with the $16 Billion USD fighter deal with the Indian counterparts.



Ha Ha Ha, suffice to say we can call this ship a 'Light Carrier' or 'Helicopter Carrier'.

But the Chinese can refer to these as 'Commercial' standards if they so desire.

Suffice to say that Chinese guy's trolling was of a very low standard.

If India shows some wherewithal, it can secure an excellent helicopter carrier in very quick time. After all, India is also scouting for such ships and might well end up selecting the Mistrals after a lengthy selection process.

 

[Aepsilons]

Suffice to say that Chinese guy's trolling was of a very low standard.

Perhaps just poor knowledge on naval warfare and battle tactics.

 

[tonyget]

Ha Ha Ha, suffice to say we can call this ship a 'Light Carrier' or 'Helicopter Carrier'.

But the Chinese can refer to these as 'Commercial' standards if they so desire.

Don't take my word for it, read it yourself.


French Mistral Amphibious Assault Ships Still On Track Delivery Russia

As noted above, the ship’s most important weapons will be its helicopters.

Beyond that, the Mistral Class is built to commercial standards, rather than naval combat standards, and currently carries very light defensive systems: 4 machine gun stations, a pair of 30mm guns, and a pair of manual Simbad twin-launchers for MBDA’s very short-range Mistral anti-aircraft missiles. Deployment in zones that feature anti-ship missiles, such as the 2006 evacuation off of Lebanon, requires protective escort ships.

Suffice to say that Chinese guy's trolling was of a very low standard.

The honor is all yours

 

[Aepsilons]

Don't take my word for it, read it yourself.


French Mistral Amphibious Assault Ships Still On Track Delivery Russia

It comes lightly armed but the nation which would acquire this can modify the defensive armaments. Modification to arm this vessel with ship based anti ship missiles, 2 x phalanx CIWSs, 2 x SeaRAM CIWSs, modified anti-torpedo mobile decoy, floating acoustic jammer, Mark 36 SRBOC, QQ-23 bow sonar, OPS 28 surface search radar, OPS 50 AESA radar, FCS systems and any host of ASW helicopters and aircraft.

Thus said, the French Mistral is rather cheap , it costs half than the Izumo Class , which stands at $1.2 Billion. This would be perfect for JMSDF plans to expand our AAS force.

 

[tonyget]

It comes lightly armed but the nation which would acquire this can modify the defensive armaments. Modification to arm this vessel with ship based anti ship missiles, 2 x phalanx CIWSs, 2 x SeaRAM CIWSs, modified anti-torpedo mobile decoy, floating acoustic jammer, Mark 36 SRBOC, QQ-23 bow sonar, OPS 28 surface search radar, OPS 50 AESA radar, FCS systems and any host of ASW helicopters and aircraft.

Thus said, the French Mistral is rather cheap , it costs half than the Izumo Class , which stands at $1.2 Billion. This would be perfect for JMSDF plans to expand our AAS force.

Then why do you think this ship is so cheap ? Remember the French are not well known for make cheap weapons.

 

[Schutz]

Was eyeing up various ships earlier, the NATO summit is in my city and I went down the bay, HMS Duncan was probably the best ship there.

 

[Aepsilons]

Then why do you think this ship is so cheap ? Remember the French are not well known for make cheap weapons.

1 Mistral is worth $600 Million. 1 Izumo Class is worth $1.2 Billion (without armaments) = $1.4 Billion + with armament.

Why, even these ships are cheaper than our smaller Lighter Carrier, the Hyuga Class which is worth 100 Billion Yen a piece, equivalent to about $950 Million.

Hyuga Class

Izumo Class