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Another funny thing. All of the above is actually correct.
even more funnier is that most of the points you wrote were 'confirmed' by yourself in this thread while you kept your eyes closed what other people said. of course, the goal in the end is just believing what you want to believe. way to go to make yourself look more important and incredibly smart.
anyway, since i have free time now;
1) civilizations come, civilizations go. Arabs were magnificent in their way in the past, so were Turks. Now i know you wil be subjective and claim that Aarbs were superior, but idc about your misplaced superiority complex. now we are in the modern era based on the western civilization where Arab countries are lagging behind and are being used by the west. fact. so much for your awesome civilization that can't help you now at all.
2) if Turks were sitting on oil and gas like the Arabs, we would be in the top 10 combined with our hardworking mentality, unlike you Arabs who needed the oil in the first place to make a serious start for God's sake. Even then most of the total oil revenues went/go to the western companies. yeah, i know Arabs are diversifying their economies nowadays, but fact is before the diversifying took place it was mainly oil that saved you.
3) that might be true or false. Turkics in CA might have more chance to be related to them than Turks in Turkey. has nothing to do with 'superior' culture as you put it down in order to give those Turks a bad image. says enough about your retarded way of thinking.
4) you are actually right, Turks should have stayed away from the Arabs and the caliphate, so that the crusaders could cleanse the Arab lands from the Arabs during the crusades. would have saved lots of Turkish lives. on a serious note, why don't you read some moe instead of wasting your time writing essays. don't be a typical Arab (no offense to other Arab members) by talking and claiming stuff, but actually go do something with your own hands.
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5) around 1500 the Arabs were in a weak state. Ottomans took advantage of it and became the caliphate. most probably due prestige and status. that ain't betraying since Arabs were even killing their own kinds for religious and political matters. Now helping a foreign christian power to divide the muslims under disguise of promises is something more heinous. deny what you want, but KSA and the GCC are actually STILL in the hands of the west. they control you to the core. some weapon deals with Russia aint gonna change anything. When the west thinks it's time to bring democracy and human rights there, it's game over (pun intended).
6) most sources state Turco-Mongol, unless you deliberately take out the Turkic part just to justify your biased view.
7) the elite Persianized, the mass Turks didn't. how convenient that you leave out the fact that the military was always directed in Turkic language, never in Persian or Arabic. That says enough that the mass never Persianized in a cultural way at all. you once again managed to state a half true 'fact' and make your self look like a clown.
8) see the link above.
9) you finally managed to get a point. good job!
10) if a Westerner criticizes Turks about democracy, i can somewhat tolerate his words. But when an Arab says so to me...
anyway, those journalists were suspected of doing stuff for various illegal factions inside of Turkey. whether they were truly guilty or not, i leave that up to the court. Kurds are a part of our nation. we had problems with them in the past, but in general we get along fine. i mean, have you seen a major Kurdish (Kurdish spring) uprising in whole Turkey? i never did since the last 30 years the pkk has been active. now as for the Arab nations... ouch, uprising after uprising. violence after violence. who's killing who? Arabs killing each other. why? because of religion or politics? seems they are oppressing their own people, yet you come and lecture Turks about how to handle a nation lol.
11) yes, we worship Ataturk 5 times a day. we go on pilgrimage to his tomb, you should come too one day. let me say that was sarcasm, because knowing you,, you would be eager to accept that since you like to hear what you want to hear. i know you're butthurt by Ataturk, maybe secretly you wish you had such an independent leader with a great vision in the modern times too, but you're fortunately eternally stuck with the Saudi clan, the puppet of the west, much better, right?
12) you can keep your sedentary life. ironically you became only so after having been influenced by the byzantines, persians and all those cultures that Telkon stated. so much for your great independent civilization. and even more ironically, the early Arabs were just savages and barbarian too. Islam truly saved you. just check the link again.
13) that's why it's called conquering. Moreover, destroying an already good city just so you can build a new one on the same spot doesn't make much sense. anyway, your argument is bs. if the Arabs actually managed to get the city before the Turks, look what your comment now might have been. jealous much?
14) yup, Turkey was poor in the past and a portion went abroad to work like a man. it would of course have been better if we had oil and sit on our asses so we didn't have to go abroad to work, but oh well, in that aspect we have not been blessed. Turkey is still doing a good job on developing. It's really ironic, and you still don't get it, that most of your economy and wealth was and is based on oil. the average GDP per capita of the GCC are still heavily influenced by oil. Even your own chart in the beginning of this thread showed that. Only KSA seems to be successful at diversifying their economy a bit. As i said before, just imagine KSA and the GCC without oil and see how far you will get.
15) your ignorance is shining once again. Even the Central Asian Turks are not 100% fully mongoloid. Of course you wouldnt bother reading about that, just so you can make easy separation like 'Anatolian (caucasian) Turks' and 'Mongoloid Turks'. The last category has non-Mongoloid features as well. we are basically a breed between these two and damn proud of it.
16) given the circumstances of that time, i dont think there was a need to build an 'ancient', spectacular, magnificent city from scratch given the factors that Turkic people were 1) nomads 2) cities were ripe for taking! use common sense, serious, how old are you and what's your iq? or does your logical thinking abilities go down when you have the urge to do pissing contests with other people?
17) look at the link above or do some reading. i entrust you on your abilities to find more info about this topic on the internet, or did i just expect too much from you?
compare to your heavily biased and unrealistic points, i consider my points quite neutral. let's see what ridiculous comment you will write this time.
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