Export bids for JF-17 Thunder Multirole Lightweight Fighter Aircraft

[tvsram1992]

Pakistan should focus on those countries who are looking to replace their planes such Mig-21 or F-5 or even those kind of MIGs which we have because JF-17 according to technology and weapons system and finally price is the best replacement for those planes and this will us our engineers more confident and we will be able to produce planes on Large scale which will benefit our economy and our defence industry to

Indirectly you are giving access to your main weapon for us.

 

[Zarvan]

Indirectly you are giving access to your main weapon for us.

Sir in these days almost all countries know about the technology which other countries except some rare case just like the stealth helicopters used in Abottabad operation even most recently retired and many in service of USA ARMY didn't knew about those helicopters other wise most countries know what other enemy have and by the way your main plane is Sukhoi -30 and your enemy and our friend china also have it so we can know about that too

 

[SBD-3]

Insha Allah by December 2011, They are getting ready for delivery to Pakistan.

Let me make it clear that unless PAC is not done with JFT I manufacturing, it is not likely that we will see those next 50.AFAJK, those will also be manufactured by PAC and then shipped to China for radar fitting. Initially PAF proposed the CAC to deliver them but PAC opposed it citing the need for mastering in manufacturing techniques.

 

[SBD-3]

Indirectly you are giving access to your main weapon for us.

JFT for other countries will be different in capabilities depending upon price tag those countries are willing to offer, and secondly Chinese or different avionics package (may be french/italian upon customer's request) is likely to be housed in those platforms. So while you ll have many nations flying JFT but all of them may have different capabilities to varying extent.

 

[tvsram1992]

Sir in these days almost all countries know about the technology which other countries except some rare case just like the stealth helicopters used in Abottabad operation even most recently retired and many in service of USA ARMY didn't knew about those helicopters other wise most countries know what other enemy have and by the way your main plane is Sukhoi -30 and your enemy and our friend china also have it so we can know about that too

Technology is different and practice with enemy plane is different . Chinese Su30 is basic version where as mki has better radar, avionics,jammers,maneuverability so u can say both are different though both have same parent. Even US told India while giving F-16's to Pakistan that they are not a threat to you as you have better mki's and lot of practice with them .

 

[Zarvan]

Technology is different and practice with enemy plane is different . Chinese Su30 is basic version where as mki has better radar, avionics,jammers,maneuverability so u can say both are different though both have same parent. Even US told India while giving F-16's to Pakistan that they are not a threat to you as you have better mki's and lot of practice with them .

And you believed USA than you are too innocent and by the way China is very smart and it will not take time to upgrade its versions on its own

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Let me make it clear that unless PAC is not done with JFT I manufacturing, it is not likely that we will see those next 50.AFAJK, those will also be manufactured by PAC and then shipped to China for radar fitting. Initially PAF proposed the CAC to deliver them but PAC opposed it citing the need for mastering in manufacturing techniques.

I don't know how we get it but the main point is that we should get the level 2 planes as soon as possible

 

[Alchemy]

JF-17 seems to be a nice product to sell , however there will be a lot of hurdles to cross ! Especially with so many tried and tested options available in the market .... having said that JF-17s cost is its biggest advantage

 

[SBD-3]

JF-17 seems to be a nice product to sell , however there will be a lot of hurdles to cross ! Especially with so many tried and tested options available in the market .... having said that JF-17s cost is its biggest advantage

not merely cost, the beauty is that it has the potential to offer things at the fraction of price. You wont expect Sukhoi, Mig, Grippen, Dessault and EDAs offering intensively modified platform with operational AESA at 30-35 Million a piece and F-16ish multirole capabilities do you?

 

[tvsram1992]

And you believed USA than you are too innocent and by the way China is very smart and it will not take time to upgrade its versions on its own

China may upgrade, but no where similar to Russian ones . So No chance of China having experience with mki's.
And to mention we had practice with best of F-16's , we know how to counter them.
We are not innocent , we are intelligent

 

[SBD-3]

China may upgrade, but no where similar to Russian ones . So No chance of China having experience with mki's.
And to mention we had practice with best of F-16's , we know how to counter them.
We are not innocent , we are intelligent

get out of this........chinese have already ahead of Russia in electronics and EW/ECM, and even Russians have accepted that. Chinese took Russian engines with life of 1500 and tweaked them to have lifespan of 2500 (Thats almost double the orignal life). You can always find a refuge in copycat comment, but the fact is that Chinese have surprised Russians.

 

[tvsram1992]

get out of this........chinese have already ahead of Russia in electronics and EW/ECM, and even Russians have accepted that. Chinese took Russian engines with life of 1500 and tweaked them to have lifespan of 2500 (Thats almost double the orignal life). You can always find a refuge in copycat comment, but the fact is that Chinese have surprised Russians.

oh common , Russia has good EW suites,Radar and Engines. Dont kid

 

[MastanKhan]

get out of this........chinese have already ahead of Russia in electronics and EW/ECM, and even Russians have accepted that. Chinese took Russian engines with life of 1500 and tweaked them to have lifespan of 2500 (Thats almost double the orignal life). You can always find a refuge in copycat comment, but the fact is that Chinese have surprised Russians.

Hasnain,

You are taking it too far---the chinese still cannot produce a fighter engine to work for 1500 hours---first of all----.

Even pakistan took the 200 hour mig / F6 / f7 engine and made it go for a couple of hundred hours more----where does that put pakistan----.

 

[Zarvan]

China may upgrade, but no where similar to Russian ones . So No chance of China having experience with mki's.
And to mention we had practice with best of F-16's , we know how to counter them.
We are not innocent , we are intelligent

Okay Sir so when next time Chinees troops enter your border even for fun sent your Sukhoi to fight you will know the capability of their planes and your ones which were recently grounded for engine problems

 

[Luftwaffe]

The Mirages another example, french are scratching their heads how are these flying which leads us to believe either the number of actual hours spent after ROSE upgrades are lesser then told or its just having a daily luck.

I think MK I remember your post in one of the thread regarding engine and the components and design manufacturer and deliberately leaking the design out but the real deal come from the stuff used that cannot be copied and in turn takes years and money, something like that was an interesting piece of article by you everyone should read it clears up mind as a good short summary.

Step - Reliable implementable design and development of an engine that crosses the parameters of reliability and durability you have that you have your engine congrats then comes the Step 2 to prolong the engine life it comes natural after Step 1.

 

[houshanghai]

Hasnain,

You are taking it too far---the chinese still cannot produce a fighter engine to work for 1500 hours---first of all----.

Even pakistan took the 200 hour mig / F6 / f7 engine and made it go for a couple of hundred hours more----where does that put pakistan----.

you are very wrong .now chinese ws10 basic version have had >1500 hours service life and　russian AL31 f or fn basic version only have 900 hours service life．