Export bids for JF-17 Thunder Multirole Lightweight Fighter Aircraft

[Kompromat]

By expanding the assembly line?

How can you expect to fulfill a large order from say a country like Egypt?

 

[StormBreaker]

Azerbaijan likely buy mig-35 instead of thunder.

Reason

 

[Adam_Khan]

Reason

The Russians would easily sell the MiG.35's at the rate at which they are getting the planes themselves just to keep the lines open so it's a win win for Azerbaijan, that's how they sold the Su.30s to Armenia.

 

[Deino]

The Russians would easily sell the MiG.35's at the rate at which they are getting the planes themselves just to keep the lines open so it's a win win for Azerbaijan, that's how they sold the Su.30s to Armenia.

As I said ... POLITICS again!

 

[Maxpane]

Hope some other countries would buy our jet

 

[Dazzler]

... what a pity and IMO again only a political deal.

Most likely.

Funny that they were unsatisfied with their maintenance nightmare fulcrums.

 

[ASQ-1918]

Reason

I think he refers to this.

https://mod.gov.az/en/news/azerbaij...ises-manufacturing-combat-aircraft-30605.html

Azerbaijani delegation visited Russian
aircraft manufacturing plants and held talks on Mig-35, Su-30 & Su-35.

I don’t think most Pakistani users are familiar with Azerbaijani arms market, but Russia has been Azerbaijan’s largest arms supplier alongside Israel. Even though Russia is a political, economic and military ally of Armenia, Azerbaijan’s adversary.

There is another thing, Armenia purchased Su-30SM from Russia (initial order of 4, total of 12 planned) and Azerbaijan must counter that. JF-17 is not really on the same level as Su-30, objectively speaking

 

[Dazzler]

I think he refers to this.

https://mod.gov.az/en/news/azerbaij...ises-manufacturing-combat-aircraft-30605.html

JF-17 is not really on the same level as Su-30, objectively speaking

Your thinkers didnt know? 30s are even bigger maintenance nightmares than 29s/ 35s.

 

[Shah_Deu]

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/26851/Is_Ukraine_a_Possible_Buyer_for_Pakistani_Chinese_JF_17_Block_III_Jet_#.XqhYg2gzY2w

Is Ukraine a Possible Buyer for Pakistani-Chinese JF-17 Block III Jet?

A Ukraine Air Force (UAF) delegation headed by Colonel General Sergii Drozdov, UAF Commander visited Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAF) Kamra on March 06 this year setting off speculation that Kiev was looking at buying the JF-17 Block III, whose first flight had taken place in January.

“The visit is a lot more than just a photo-op,” said a Ukrainian industry source to defenseworld.net. The source who did not wish to be identified said, “the UAF is seeking to urgently replace an average 30 year old Mig-29s and Su-27s inherited from the former Soviet Union which are too old for major modernization."

The PAF’s media wing has released images of the UAF delegation visiting the plant with under-construction aircraft in the background, which look like fuselages of the JF-17.

Joint missile development:

The visit could have something to do with Pak- Ukraine cooperation in the field of missile development.

In 2018, Ukraine’s arms development and export agency, UkrOboronProm and Pakistan agreed to discuss “terms and conditions for launching joint Ukrainian-Pakistani production of precision rockets of different classes,” with an intent to “begin joint research and development work in the coming months,” according to a UkrOboronProm press release then.

A Ukrainian manufacturer, Yuzhnoye Design Office had displayed the mock-up of a new lightweight air-to-surface missile, ‘Bliskavka’ (Lightning) at Ukraine’s annual defence exhibition, Arms and Security 2019 with offers of joint production.

The Bliskavka also has an air-to-air version. In addition to Chinese supplied missiles, the JF-17 could benefit from third party weapons systems to make it more appealing to foreign buyers.

JF-17 Thunder fighter jet


The JF-17 Block III has garnered considerable attention from potential buyers mainly due to its headline features- a Chinese supplied active electronically scanning array (AESA) radar, the latest targeting and electronic warfare systems analogous to those found on much more expensive aircraft such as the F-16 and Jas 39 Gripen.

Ukraine’s fighter aircraft buying plans:

The UAF had opened talks with Saab in 2014 to buy the Gripen but these did not progress to anything concrete. Kiev has also an interest in buying F-16 but budgetary constrains have kept it from any foreign purchases excepting for UAVs from Turkey.

Though the JF-17 Block III is yet to enter serial production, it has seen suitors form several countries in the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa. Its main attraction is its price, expected to be less than half of the F-16 Block 70/72, the latest iteration of the US made jet.

The low price could be a factor in the UAF sizing up the JF-17 Block III. Kievpost newspaper reported in March 2019 quoting UAF’s chief aviation engineer Major General Petro Skorenkiy that, presently budget funding is insufficient either for foreign purchases or a full modernization of its own aircraft, and the national defense industry can provide only 30–35 percent of the work required by the UAF (partial modernization and repair).

 

[SABRE]

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/26851/Is_Ukraine_a_Possible_Buyer_for_Pakistani_Chinese_JF_17_Block_III_Jet_#.XqhYg2gzY2w

Is Ukraine a Possible Buyer for Pakistani-Chinese JF-17 Block III Jet?

A Ukraine Air Force (UAF) delegation headed by Colonel General Sergii Drozdov, UAF Commander visited Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAF) Kamra on March 06 this year setting off speculation that Kiev was looking at buying the JF-17 Block III, whose first flight had taken place in January.

“The visit is a lot more than just a photo-op,” said a Ukrainian industry source to defenseworld.net. The source who did not wish to be identified said, “the UAF is seeking to urgently replace an average 30 year old Mig-29s and Su-27s inherited from the former Soviet Union which are too old for major modernization."

The PAF’s media wing has released images of the UAF delegation visiting the plant with under-construction aircraft in the background, which look like fuselages of the JF-17.

Joint missile development:

The visit could have something to do with Pak- Ukraine cooperation in the field of missile development.

In 2018, Ukraine’s arms development and export agency, UkrOboronProm and Pakistan agreed to discuss “terms and conditions for launching joint Ukrainian-Pakistani production of precision rockets of different classes,” with an intent to “begin joint research and development work in the coming months,” according to a UkrOboronProm press release then.

A Ukrainian manufacturer, Yuzhnoye Design Office had displayed the mock-up of a new lightweight air-to-surface missile, ‘Bliskavka’ (Lightning) at Ukraine’s annual defence exhibition, Arms and Security 2019 with offers of joint production.

The Bliskavka also has an air-to-air version. In addition to Chinese supplied missiles, the JF-17 could benefit from third party weapons systems to make it more appealing to foreign buyers.

JF-17 Thunder fighter jet


The JF-17 Block III has garnered considerable attention from potential buyers mainly due to its headline features- a Chinese supplied active electronically scanning array (AESA) radar, the latest targeting and electronic warfare systems analogous to those found on much more expensive aircraft such as the F-16 and Jas 39 Gripen.

Ukraine’s fighter aircraft buying plans:

The UAF had opened talks with Saab in 2014 to buy the Gripen but these did not progress to anything concrete. Kiev has also an interest in buying F-16 but budgetary constrains have kept it from any foreign purchases excepting for UAVs from Turkey.

Though the JF-17 Block III is yet to enter serial production, it has seen suitors form several countries in the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa. Its main attraction is its price, expected to be less than half of the F-16 Block 70/72, the latest iteration of the US made jet.

The low price could be a factor in the UAF sizing up the JF-17 Block III. Kievpost newspaper reported in March 2019 quoting UAF’s chief aviation engineer Major General Petro Skorenkiy that, presently budget funding is insufficient either for foreign purchases or a full modernization of its own aircraft, and the national defense industry can provide only 30–35 percent of the work required by the UAF (partial modernization and repair).

Block III would have to be without the Russian engines for Ukraine to consider buying it.

 

[Path-Finder]

Block III would have to be without the Russian engines for Ukraine to consider buying it.

They can maintain soviet made engines and that includes RD-33. They even made turbofan engines so they are cozy in this matter. Pakistan will be looking to Ukraine for turbofan engines do diversify its supply.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

They can maintain soviet made engines and that includes RD-33. They even made turbofan engines so they are cozy in this matter. Pakistan will be looking to Ukraine for turbofan engines do diversify its supply.

It would be nice if Ukraine can, like, make its own RD-33MK/RD-93MA. I think the expertise is there to do it, but they'd need money and time for sure.

 

[SABRE]

It would be nice if Ukraine can, like, make its own RD-33MK/RD-93MA. I think the expertise is there to do it, but they'd need money and time for sure.

I think with them considering to move away from Soviet/Russian military technology they would see no point in working/investing in RD-33/93 type engine. But we should consider hiring their expertise, in the case PAF/PAC are not satisfied with WS-13. In the meantime, we need to market JF-17 with WS-13 to them. Just my 2 cents.

They can maintain soviet made engines and that includes RD-33. They even made turbofan engines so they are cozy in this matter. Pakistan will be looking to Ukraine for turbofan engines do diversify its supply.

Problem is not their maintenance. The problem would be Russians not approving the sales of their engines (equipped on JF-17) to Ukraine.

 

[Path-Finder]

Problem is not their maintenance. The problem would be Russians not approving the sales of their engines (equipped on JF-17) to Ukraine.

yes, I think Ukraine will serve as a hub of knowledge and help in development Turbofan engines.

It would be nice if Ukraine can, like, make its own RD-33MK/RD-93MA. I think the expertise is there to do it, but they'd need money and time for sure.

If we can make a euro consortium of say Muslim nations along the lines of euro consortium for engines. billion Muslims have failed to make a jet engine. instead of reinventing the wheel we need an engine now. so get Ukraine and few other eastern block nations onboard to have an engine manufacturing and further R&D in the field. There is no shortage of funds as GCC should be brought onboard with many other nations coming together can get things rolling.

But until it happens we can dream about it.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

India still has a huge presence in the Russian defence market and the Russians will not annoy India for a sale to PAF. Secondly most likely PAF would have wanted its own choice of Fire control radar and weaponry on the 35s and the Russians would have none of it. Lastly currently Russia wants cash only for sale and we have diddly scot of that.
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I dont know even if Chinese will sell their defence equipment to us purely on IOU or future promise of payments.

Mig 35 was slated to be open source. I dont know why then they went against their marketing pitch by refusing the request of potential customer regarding choice on radar, also as far as I know PAF has bought its jets through hard cash. we paid for the F-16s and their upgrades and the only other jet we are inducting is in house developed JF 17 where we are sharing costs with our Chinese partners.

our only supplier other than Americans and Chinese have been the French back in 70s and Swedes (Saab AWACS)
and my understanding is that we always paid cash to our Western suppliers so why expect some line of credit from Russians?

Hi

money never talks it never works.

It s always your relationship that makes a difference

I hope PAF gets the funds back to the level of pre 2008 earth quake stage.
by the time our great grand children reach our age . with understanding its stashing some money aside for Western / chinese technology that will be state of the art and an overkill.