Erdogan demands demilitarisation of East Aegean Islands, threatens operation in Syria

[Foinikas]

So violation by Greece of the rules on the disarmament of the eastern Aegean islands may give Turkiye the right to terminate the articles of the Lausanne Peace Treaty 1923 regulating sovereignty over the islands.

There is no violation. If you weren't a hypocrite,you would have read what we showed you and stopped posting the same thing 50 times a day like spambot

 

[Akritas]

None of our diplomatic efforts have yielded results for 50 years. Our efforts to solve this problem with kindness and a spirit of neighborliness have always been fruitless. From here on, we have no choice but to the International Court of Justice. Because we saw that we could not agree otherwise.


Today's Greece is now a hotbed of problems, the troublemaker of the Eastern Mediterranean. Its political system is kept alive by the reproduction of tensions, claims and discoveries of enemies.

No matter how much you distort what I say, the reality denies you ....

 

[jhungary]

I am not sure if a NATO member can invoke article 5 against another member. Seems laughable.

This is already answer in my previous post.

Question is "Is NATO's Article 5 valid when the war is between two NATO states?"

This is my post, quoting NATO Charter

Didn't expressly say so

Article 5​

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .

But 2 things you need to consider, that's Article 6 and 7

Article 6​

For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

• on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
• on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.

Article 7​

This Treaty does not affect, and shall not be interpreted as affecting in any way the rights and obligations under the Charter of the Parties which are members of the United Nations, or the primary responsibility of the Security Council for the maintenance of international peace and security.

Article 6 lay out where the attack occur would lies within the responsibility of Article 5. Not sure how Greek Island counted in this state, because it specify Europe, North American on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer; Now, if Turkey is standalone covered, then one can argue Greek Island (next to turkey) should be too, which mean it really depends on how those island being interpreted, because if they are see as Greece Mainland, then they are in Europe, and Article 5 applies, but if they are see as outlyer, then article 5 MAY NOT applies because those island is not in North Atlantic Area north of the Tropic of Cancer.

On the other hand Article 7 lay out that if the issue is for the primary responsibility of the Security Council for the Maintenance of International Peace and Security, then Article 5 also would not applies. Which mean if Turkey have a case and argue all the way to UN and win its case, article 5 would also not applies if UNSC direct Turkey to recover those island.

 

[MMM-E]

There is no violation. If you weren't a hypocrite,you would have read what we showed you and stopped posting the same thing 50 times a day like spambot

There is violation. and hypocrisy is your job


Your talk has no value by international agreements

Greece is a bandit State , hidding behind USA-The EU and chasing dreams that will end in disaster for the Greeks as like 1922 and 1974

 

[Beast]

All depends on Erdogan’s mood. He can invade Greece today and China tomorrow. There are people that are bored and have nothing to do else.

I think erodgan more wanted to invade Germany since it's a sitting duck and nearer.

 

[Beny Karachun]

This idiot Erdogan is just using the braindead, warmongering mind of what appears to be over 50 percent of Turks in order to win the elections.

 

[MMM-E]

President Erdoğan slams 'hypocrisy' of Greek officials


Erdoğan said Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis had requested to hold a meeting, but instead went to the United States and made controversial remarks against Turkey.

The president criticized Athens for claiming that the U.S. bases were established to counter the Russian threat while doing nothing to stop Moscow when it launched its invasion of Ukraine.


Erdoğan warned Greek officials to avoid statements and moves they will regret.

Turkey is demanding that Greece demilitarize its eastern islands, citing the 20th-century treaties that ceded sovereignty of the islands to Greece.

President ErdoÄan slams 'hypocrisy' of Greek officials

President Recep Tayyip ErdoÄan criticized Greek officials for what he called a 'hypocritical' stance on Sunday, noting that they have decided to refrain...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[MMM-E]

This idiot Erdogan is just using the braindead, warmongering mind of what appears to be over 50 percent of Turks in order to win the elections.

Idiots like Foinikas , Beny Karachun , etc never understand what about bandit Countries USA , France and their puppets/terrorists FETO , PKK/YPG , HAFTAR , Greece against Turkiye

since 2013 USA-France fighting against Turkiye via proxies

We kicked FETO , PKK/YPG , HAFTAR ,
it seems Greece will be the next American-French puppet which will be kicked by the Turkish Armed Forces

 

[Beny Karachun]

President Erdoğan slams 'hypocrisy' of Greek officials


Erdoğan said Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis had requested to hold a meeting, but instead went to the United States and made controversial remarks against Turkey.

The president criticized Athens for claiming that the U.S. bases were established to counter the Russian threat while doing nothing to stop Moscow when it launched its invasion of Ukraine.


Erdoğan warned Greek officials to avoid statements and moves they will regret.

Turkey is demanding that Greece demilitarize its eastern islands, citing the 20th-century treaties that ceded sovereignty of the islands to Greece.

President ErdoÄan slams 'hypocrisy' of Greek officials

President Recep Tayyip ErdoÄan criticized Greek officials for what he called a 'hypocritical' stance on Sunday, noting that they have decided to refrain...

www.dailysabah.com

The only hypocrite is the man that calls Israel terrorists and compare Israel to Nazi Germany and 1 year later invites the Israeli president to his house

 

[MMM-E]

The only hypocrite is the man that calls Israel terrorists and compare Israel to Nazi Germany and 1 year later invites the Israeli president to his house

Erdogan likened Israel to Nazi Germany in 2018

NETANYAHU lost elections
and ERDOGAN - HERZOG hails new era in relations in 2022



The only hypocrite is the man ( Mitsotakis ) that was in Turkiye and agreed to work with Erdogan
a few weeks later he went to USA and cried about Turkiye

plase stop Turkiye , please dont sell F-16V to Turkiye

 

[Beny Karachun]

Erdogan likened Israel to Nazi Germany in 2018

NETANYAHU lost elections
and ERDOGAN - HERZOG hails new era in relations in 2022



The only hypocrite is the man ( Mitsotakis ) that was in Turkiye and agreed to work with Erdogan
a few weeks later he went to USA and cried about Turkiye

plase stop Turkiye , please dont sell F-16V to Turkiye

Nonsense lol, you're talking like Netanyahu personally killed every Palestinian that died in this conflict, and that now when Netanyahu is gone no Palestinians are being killed

Look at this, May 2021, Turkey calls Israel terrorist for the tension in jersualem:


Less than one year later:

and ERDOGAN - HERZOG hails new era in relations in 2022

By the way, Herzog is just the president, it's basically a diplomat.

Netanyahu was a Prime Minister, and he will come back very soon.

 

[MMM-E]

Nonsense lol, you're talking like Netanyahu personally killed every Palestinian that died in this conflict, and that now when Netanyahu is gone no Palestinians are being killed

Netanyahu is a bandit

President Erdoğan spoke by phone with President Herzog
and Israel stopped attacking muslims in al-Aqsa Mosque since the beginning of the month of Ramadan

Türkiye will continue to work for the establishment of peace and serenity under all circumstances

Erdogan wants to work with Herzog

By the way, Herzog is just the president, it's basically a diplomat.

Netanyahu was a Prime Minister, and he will come back very soon.

and Israel will lose Turkiye again ... what a stupid policy

Israel needs Turkiye against Iran and Israel need Turkiye for energy projects in the Eastern Mediterranean

 

[Beny Karachun]

Netanyahu is a bandit

President Erdoğan spoke by phone with President Herzog
and Israel stopped attacking muslims in al-Aqsa Mosque since the beginning of the month of Ramadan

Türkiye will continue to work for the establishment of peace and serenity under all circumstances

2022 Al-Aqsa clashes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Did we really stop? I don't think so. By the way, Herzog has absolutely no power, he is like an ambassador.

Israeli forces storm Al-Aqsa as hundreds of settlers gather

Sixteen Palestinians injured and about 50 males, including the elderly and children, arrested.

www.aljazeera.com

and Israel will lose Turkiye again ... what a stupid policy

Israel needs Turkiye against Iran and Israel need Turkiye for energy projects in the Eastern Mediterranean

It's not a policy, it's democracy, the current government was elected illegitimately, after a right wing party basically betrayed everything they stand for.

Israel needs Turkiye against Iran and Israel need Turkiye for energy projects in the Eastern Mediterranean

Israel wants peace of course, but Erdogan is still a hypocrite.

Energy projects would be done with Cyprus and Greece, do you really think we would transfer gas from Turkey, and give Turkey the ability to just stop our gas exports? After calling us terrorists? calling for sanctions against Israel?

 

[MMM-E]

Energy projects would be done with Cyprus and Greece, do you really think we would transfer gas from Turkey, and give Turkey the ability to just stop our gas exports? After calling us terrorists? calling for sanctions against Israel?

nice dream


even USA withdrew support from EASTMED project

 

[Foinikas]

There is absolutely no sense in talking to MMM-E. He refuses to read or take into consideration any arguements you present to him and always goes back to spamming his own bullshit.

It's like brain-washing.

In other news,the Congress is adamant on not selling any F-16Vs to Turkey and I think something about not giving them spare parts(?). Let's be honest,Turkey's stance on the Sweden and Finland matter has frustrated most of NATO. And they see this as an extortion. They're thinking of Erdogan as more of a liability,rather than an ally against Russia and China.