End Kashmir row for peace: Pakistan envoy

[wolfschanzze]

Is Afghanistan leaning to Pakistan?

Why do we need 'sarrogate states' when we can loosen border control between two largest S.Asian economies and military powers?

Germany and France have picked up things after killing 50 million people, how many do we need to kill before learning the same lesson, which otherwise we can just copy paste?

@Sidak

Won't work. Main under current in Kashmir issue is humaniterian not territorial. There are hundreds of thousands of families kep apart from their loved ones by LoC.

We can learn a great dea' from E and West German crisis. Both were occupied by rival superpowers much like Kashmir, while the Germans suffered.

Germany is now united and friendly to both Russia and EU/US.

Giving up Germany also saved the world from a Full Scale Thermoneuclear exchange. No Cuban missile crisis has taken place since the German reunification.

Everyone has much to gain from peace and coop. It would also make it easy for me to track you down for a dinner and Russian lessons.

No chance, accept LoC as IB permanently then only peace can happen no referendum/plebiscite or anything INDIA controls what it has.The families can stay apart as they are if they want.Nobody cares.
What is ours is ours.

 

[American Pakistani]

I can say..
.

I can say,

Dude, I' am explaining your qualities honestly. Trust me that was 100% truth & based on facts.

P.S I know you are an Indian so no need to copy other's style to prove it. Thanks & no offense to Indians.

And thats the only thing matter's on this side of Loc.

As if Pakistanis or Kashmiris care what matter in Insignificant India...

Do you think anyone gives a flying f@ck about your and some separatists opinion ? You can continue your jumping and humping for another 7000 years. IA make rule here and Government of India Rules.

And do you think anyones gives a flying, dancing, teasing, twisting fcuk about your, your insignificant country & your Indian occupier terrorists opinions? Rich coming from a citizen of a nation that was British's @rtificial product made in Buckingham Palace & 10 downing street. You can give yourself false feel of satisfaction that Kashmir can be under Indian occupation forever but history proves no illegally occupied land remains under occupation & especially Muslims who never let their land go under anyone's occupation.

We are significant where we needs to be and that is at LOC which we are treating as IB since 48. Now jump again

I can say,

Don't make me jump cuz when I jump someone in your f@ 31. Ly jumps too, if you know what I mean

And PA shoots at it's will at that so called IB...double shame for you in that case.

And we took revenge of that by killing pakistani Occupier terrorists like rats and it was accepted by your DAWN newspaper and mentioned by our Army chief in briefing.

Pakistan killed 12 Indian Army Occupier terrorist cockroaches many times crossing into IOK/Maqbooza Kashmir whereas India martyred 10 Pakistani soldiers & 14 Azad Kashmiri civilians(including childrens & womens).

Already killed those pakistani occupierTerrorist Rats, check out your DAWN News or should i provide you link ?

Let me post it for you...how PA killed 12 Indian occupier terrorist like rats & cockroaches.

Now you have my permission to take back kashmir from our control......Got Gutts ?

Why would Pakistan do anything? Status quo suits Pakistan for now as it lets India waste it's resources in IOK/Maqbooza Kashmir & Pakistan can get rid of troubles at it's Western borders(Those troubles seems to be ending rapidly since the latest operation of PA began). In the mean time Pakistan shoot & kill several Indian occupier terrorists & modhi & Indian army who gives empty threats does literally nothing.

YAWN!! Keep pushing just like you guys been doing since your inception!! As i said it before and i am saying it now, we shoot the swine's who try to enter the Loc from Azad Kashmir....And will keep doing it.

Pakistan will keep shooting Indian occupier terrorist swines for now. Status quo suits Pakistan for now as I mentioned earlier.

Kashmiri land is ours and will remain ours till eternity, few scums can waste there life for all i care...

Kashmir is the land of the people living there. Yours or Indian opinions are not even worthy of wiping off the $h 1t. Few Indian occupier terrorist swines getting wasted for their egoistic elite Indians.

 

[VCheng]

* Kashmir becomes an independant country
* Pak-India give up hostility, open up borders.

Thats what will ensure enduring peace. Kashmiris would have to work hard to get cookies instead of getting it for free.

The only realistic solution is to the convert the LoC and AGPL into a recognized international border.

 

[American Pakistani]

Anyone can write on the road like a coward,why don't they try it in front of the military

You want me to post the pictures of Kashmiris waving Pakistan flag & chanting

"Bharat teri maut aai"

&

"ragda ragda ragda hindustan"

?

 

[Kompromat]

The only realistic solution is to the convert the LoC and AGPL into a recognized international border.

• That won't solve the biggest problem which the thousands of families who are divided along the LoC.
• Lastly i would oppose it, simply because that is a Pakistan-India centric decision. I believe it should be the people of Kashmir who should have the biggest say not Pakistanis or Indians.

 

[American Pakistani]

Looks like you learn history on PDF.

Try real world documented histry kid, i would say try that in US. And you will be surprised to know that Bharat is known since the time of Rig Vedas. And these vedas dates back when no one was aware of I of Islam on this planet.

Kashmir is Dharmic Hindu land with our Hindu shrines and will remain so in our control till eternity, Just because local population got converted in the process of History doesnt make it a muslim land.

Looks like you learn history from that clown bharat V or swamy or Indian army.

Try asking any American what is bharat...he'll be like WTF. true story...

Islam dates back to the times of Adam & Eve(Hazrat Adam A.S & Hazrat Hawwa A.S).

Kashmir is the land of those who lives there. Those people choose religion of Peace & light just like the rest of Pakistan & their land & history will remain theirs. Indian Occupier terrorists cannot make these Kashmiris Indians no matter how hard they try.

 

[VCheng]

• That won't solve the biggest problem which the thousands of families who are divided along the LoC.
• Lastly i would oppose it, simply because that is a Pakistan-India centric decision. I believe it should be the people of Kashmir who should have the biggest say not Pakistanis or Indians.

Yes, but that is the only realistic option. Remember, in order to push for a plebiscite, Pakistan has to withdraw all its forces first. I do not see either thing happening for this reason alone. Besides, the Simla Agreement makes the UN Resolutions obsolete.

So what else remains after that? Only what I have proposed.

 

[shuntmaster]

India is very comfortable with the present status in kashmir. It could be better, but the present situation is not bad at all from indias point of view.
There is nothing that pakistan can do or offer to india that can change the situation. Pakistan has tried every trick in the book and even not in the book and failed miserably to wrest kashmir from india. Only now its talking about dialogue and peace.

 

[Kompromat]

Yes, but that is the only realistic option. Remember, in order to push for a plebiscite, Pakistan has to withdraw all its forces first. I do not see either thing happening for this reason alone. Besides, the Simla Agreement makes the UN Resolutions obsolete.

So what else remains after that? Only what I have proposed.

Any solution without a solution to the core problem means creating another crisis.

 

[American Pakistani]

Bharat is also Official name of India

Bharat is the only real name of India. Indians are ashamed of this name & hence promoted India.

Good!! We will surely help you in your Holy Journey!!

I can say,

And we'll help you in your holy marriages with snakes, dogs, insects, donkeys, animals, etc

LOL......Atleast come up with some better excuses

Yeah i know, East Pakistan was an Independent Nation since 47.

Dil behlaney ko ye khayal accha hai

Better excuses?

Read proper history not clown history taught to you by bharat V or swamy or modhi or IA.

Bangladesh was supposed to be an independent country but was merged with Pakistan by it's leaders. So it was not actually Pakistan.

Yeah and you were busy too before 2001 ? When you weren't able to snatch it when India was almost bankrupt 1991 and kashmiri Insurgency was at its peak in the 90's after the fall of soviet Union. Then what makes you think that you can take it from us when we are getting stronger and stronger every year. I mean you can live in your Delusional world i dont mind but still give it a thought

so.....My statement still stands......"Want Some ? Come and Get Some"

What is so hurry? As I said earlier that as of now status quo suits Pakistan. In 1991 Pakistan was busy with Soviets & after 1991 Pakistan was under heavy sanctions until 2002 & since 2002 Pakistan is fighting a war at it's western borders.

Pakistan asks your army same thing several times & even provide reasons but your army refused to fight everytime. The only thing they do is empty threats or threat to stop playing cricket.

Yeah and take back kashmir by repeating posts over and over again on PDF!!!! Slap Indian ?

We are seating in Kashmir Loser!!! Why dont you do something about it ?

How did you develop this dumb opinion? I slap & educate Indians like you & bring them down from their SUPA PAWA palaces to the Super poor Mumbai Delhi slums. Thats it...why getting hurt at the place where the sun refuse to shine...

Yea the same IOK/Maqbooza Kashmir where even your guns didn't make brave Kashmiris sing Indian anthem & call themselves Indians...I pity...

 

[IndoUS]

India is more than fine with the current situation, there is no real solution to the issue, the only solution is making the LoC into the international border. Neither India nor Pakistan is going to give up their part of Kashmir. And India is more than willing to keep the status quo situation since it doesn't affect India much.

 

[he-man]

Any solution without a solution to the core problem means creating another crisis.

LOC as border is the only solution now,,everybody knows it.
Within 15 years,the insurgency will die down in kashmir and if the article 372 is repealed and hindu settlements allowed,kashmir's demography will change in a couple of years.

 

[VCheng]

Any solution without a solution to the core problem means creating another crisis.

The core problem is one of creating a recognized border between two nuclear armed states. Converting the LoC/AGPL into a proper border is the only realistic option remaining, given all the history and the present stalemate.

 

[Kompromat]

LOC as border is the only solution now,,everybody knows it.
Within 15 years,the insurgency will die down in kashmir and if the article 372 is repealed and hindu settlements allowed,kashmir's demography will change in a couple of years.

That will make it worse. For any solution the core of the problem has to be addressed. Any solution which doesn't take Kashmiris on board would ultimately fail.

 

[VCheng]

That will make it worse. For any solution the core of the problem has to be addressed. Any solution which doesn't take Kashmiris on board would ultimately fail.

Given the changes already afoot in Kashmir on both sides, in a few decades, this will not a problem either.