Eid Milad Un Nabi (S.A. W) Mubarak

[Moonlight]

Depends even Arabs are not uniform! I think those in Lebanon and other side of gulf do! But those in Gulf area dont really...They have these nasheed style thing but nothing excessive!

Interestingly, I have come across mostly Lebanese and Yemenis, they don’t really celebrate anything other than Eid.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I think the issue is that it is Islam in itself is so widely interpreted and with so many histories and concepts with overlapping/conflicting origins that it is nigh impossible to say what is exactly Islam or not.. after all, the Quran only refers to prayers at three times directly Dawn, day and night.. where did Asr and Maghrib come from?
The reference is given to the tale of the night journey to heaven but the Quran has barely a few sentences on it ; most of the idea of it comes from Hadiath.. which then are essentially(and I mean no disrespect or dismissal) just “he said/she said” compliled a hundred years later at the earliest.

Which is why I always propose leaving it to what one feels is right after consultations and then leaving the final judgement of action to Allah as it is, and should be.

You know Oscar, if I had the power, I would advice PM IK if he wants 'Naya Pakistan' then please print this and make it essential reading for every school kid in Pakistan followed by a essay on it to explain what it conveys. Potent stuff there, Oscar. Potent.

 

[Dubious]

@Indos

Interestingly, I have come across mostly Lebanese and Yemenis, they don’t really celebrate anything other than Eid.

Ahan...I have seen a few ...so maybe my sample size is flawed

 

[Moonlight]

I love this. The power, the emotion, the peace is amazing. I often use this as de-stress while lie on the sofa eyes closed shut. Others that I find soothing [excluding western] are Attaullah Khan, Isakhelvi, Mussarat Nazeer and the Rabab instrumention.

Same. I remember I read this Nasheed in a novel and I was in love with it. I did little research on it.

And later after few months, coke studio produced it. For me, it was a gift. I love the original one even more but no doubt this is one of the best Nasheed from Coke Studio.
ps: it helps me so much when I’m down emotionally.

 

[Hareeb]

Happy Eid Milad-Un-Nabi to all muslims.

Happy Eid Milad-Un-Nabi to all muslims.

 

[django]

Please keep a very sharp eye on him.If he dared to, I will ban him permanently.
Then no matter how many emails he throws or whine at, I will not hell on Earth unban him
Wasalam

That would be most welcomed, this particular gentleman has a history for this sort of obnoxious trolling ,hence some members nicknamed "Tarek Fateh", this says it all.Kudos

 

[Tps43]

@Mentee @Signalian @Maarkhor @Dawood Ibrahim @django @Starlord

 

[Dubious]

after all, the Quran only refers to prayers at three times directly Dawn, day and night.. where did Asr and Maghrib come from?
The reference is given to the tale of the night journey to heaven but the Quran has barely a few sentences on it ; most of the idea of it comes from Hadiath.. which then are essentially(and I mean no disrespect or dismissal) just “he said/she said” compliled a hundred years later at the earliest.

The Quranic aayats regarding the timing of prayers are as follows:

Chapter 11, Surah Hud ayaat 114: Establish the Salat at the two ends of the day and in the early part of the night. (implies fajr, magrib and isha)

Chapter 2, Surah Baqarah ayaat 238:Take great care of your Prayers, especially of the middle Prayer and stand before Allah like devoted servants. (implies asr)

Chapter 17 Bani Israel ayaat 78:Establish the Salat from the declining of the sun to the darkness of the night and be particular about the recital of the Quran at dawn for the recital of the Quran at dawn is witnessed. (implies asr, magrib and fajr)

Chapter 30 Surah Rum ayat 17:So, glorify Allah in the evening and in the morning; praise is due to Him alone in the heavens and the earth: and (glorify Him) in the afternoon and at the declining of the day. (implies fajr, magrib, dhuhr and asr)

Chapter 50 Surah Qaf ayat 39:Therefore, O Prophet (saws), bear with patience whatever they say, and keep up glorifying your Lord with his praise, before sunrise and before sunset. And glorify Him again in the night and also when are free from prostrations. (implies fajr, dhuhr, asr, isha and tahajjud)


The prayer timings in the Quran are implied and thus if the above ayaats are read together, they clearly point towards the 5 obligatory fard prayers.

 

[Moonlight]

That would be most welcomed, this particular gentleman has a history for this sort of obnoxious trolling ,hence some members nicknamed "Tarek Fateh", this says it all.Kudos

What irks me the most, they pretend to be “liberal” and don’t even fall into the section. Confused minds.

 

[SQ8]

You know Oscar, if I had the power I would advice if he wants 'Naya Pakistan' then please print this and make it essential reading for every school kid in Pakistan followed by a essay on it to explain what it conveys. Potent stuff there, Oscar. Potent.

I wouldn’t go that far, plenty of smarter people out there.
But the basic issue is on this and any other topic on Islam; there is a wealth of knowledge on something that is 1500 years old nearly and it can only be “refined” so much. Simply because so much as been added(and subtracted) over the years that it is impossible to tell exactly what was said verbatim by the prophet in Hadiath.. with only the Quran being absolute by the method of it’s preservation and propogation.
After all, I find it amusing to hear “Exact details” on Karbala as tragic and tear inducing the event is.. dramatic narratives of it down to who cried blood tears is simply just common human romanticism not confined to Islam.

But something as basic as reverance for the prophet(no matter the form for expression) cannot be all “bidat” or “shirk” especially when not implied either implicitly or explicitly.

 

[Dubious]

 

[SQ8]

The Quranic aayats regarding the timing of prayers are as follows:

Chapter 11, Surah Hud ayaat 114: Establish the Salat at the two ends of the day and in the early part of the night. (implies fajr, magrib and isha)

Chapter 2, Surah Baqarah ayaat 238:Take great care of your Prayers, especially of the middle Prayer and stand before Allah like devoted servants. (implies asr)

Chapter 17 Bani Israel ayaat 78:Establish the Salat from the declining of the sun to the darkness of the night and be particular about the recital of the Quran at dawn for the recital of the Quran at dawn is witnessed. (implies asr, magrib and fajr)

Chapter 30 Surah Rum ayat 17:So, glorify Allah in the evening and in the morning; praise is due to Him alone in the heavens and the earth: and (glorify Him) in the afternoon and at the declining of the day. (implies fajr, magrib, dhuhr and asr)

Chapter 50 Surah Qaf ayat 39:Therefore, O Prophet (saws), bear with patience whatever they say, and keep up glorifying your Lord with his praise, before sunrise and before sunset. And glorify Him again in the night and also when are free from prostrations. (implies fajr, dhuhr, asr, isha and tahajjud)


The prayer timings in the Quran are implied and thus if the above ayaats are read together, they clearly point towards the 5 obligatory fard prayers.

But even these can be disputed(not saying they are) as the terms for them in Arabic have multiple interpretations which has led to certain fiqh joining them together. Take the last for eg, before sunrise and before sunset can mean fajr or maghrib or also fajr and asr if the arabic is interpreted differently.

The affirmation of these prayers timings comes from the Prophet’s life.

 

[django]

What irks me the most, they pretend to be “liberal” and don’t even fall into the section. Confused minds.

I totally concur, I mean how could one possibly conclude an outright bigot such as Tarek Fatah to be a champion of liberalism when he advocates the brutal suppression of Kashmiri youth and legislation to impede the human rights of Bharati Muslims.Kudos

 

[Indos]

Sure mention me and I will flood it...I mean I will contribute

Thanks, your collection in this thread and Pakistani song from @Moonlight are also awesome

 

[Dubious]

I wouldn’t go that far, plenty of smarter people out there.
But the basic issue is on this and any other topic on Islam; there is a wealth of knowledge on something that is 1500 years old nearly and it can only be “refined” so much. Simply because so much as been added(and subtracted) over the years that it is impossible to tell exactly what was said verbatim by the prophet in Hadiath.. with only the Quran being absolute by the method of it’s preservation and propogation.
After all, I find it amusing to hear “Exact details” on Karbala as tragic and tear inducing the event is.. dramatic narratives of it down to who cried blood tears is simply just common human romanticism not confined to Islam.

But something as basic as reverance for the prophet(no matter the form for expression) cannot be all “bidat” or “shirk” especially when not implied either implicitly or explicitly.

MOST of the problem arises from translations....SOME of the earliest translations to English were done by converts...They took crash courses in Arabic but a language of centuries cant be translated and maintain the essence...This is why I learned my Hadith in 2 languages comparing the translations and even to date I do my research in 2 languages - I know 4 but the other 2 are not strong enough to reason

I have found minor differences in translations and I assume over time these minor differences and based on how sensational your molvi is becomes big differences