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[Philip the Arab]

@joker87
Did you buy the article, or how did you access it?

 

[Oldman1]

Two are possible on tripods.. Belarus makes that.. but four is too much to carry.. you need more personnel.. so they made it with Turkey on vehicles..

There is this concept from Belarus.. it seems OK..

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I was thinking more of two on left and right of the camera and sensors, both vertically stacked as you see in the pic, but split apart.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1531682957445976064

@The SC @Gomig-21 any answer about his question?


But the Rafale is more of a multirole aircraft than air superioty. So it isn't specialized as it

No it looks off and probably warped or something. They need to realigned the cockpit or or fix it or something.

 

[joker88]

It was this comment I was referring to from the following article.

Sisi Intensifies Arms Imports to Secure External Support for His Policies

Egypt has become the third largest arms importer in the world, according to Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI). The institute’s “Trends in International Arms Transfers” report reveals that Egypt’s imports of major arms increased in volume by 136 percent from the periods...

arabcenterdc.org

That link I provided also comments briefly on the political reasons for the helicopter purchases.

My brother, they finance the Egyptian economy as deposits for the Egyptian economy only and not finance arms deals.

@joker87
Did you buy the article, or how did you access it?

I do not know why the important article does not open. It says that Egypt concluded a deal in 2019 for 100 Scalp missiles for the Rafale after Macron persuaded Trump during his visit to America and France’s acquisition of a company called Dolphin to manufacture guidance chips, and it became possible to sell it easily.

 

[Ghostkiller]

I really hate when people know nothing about our military and say some bullshit. There is one egyptian told me that Egypt doesn't the capabilities to identify a F-35. A7a begad. When you don't know anything just shut up.

 

[Ghostkiller]

IDF: Fighter jets downed Egyptian military drone that entered Israeli skies

Incident occurred Monday in the southern Negev desert; defense source says UAV was unarmed, interception coordinated with Egypt

www.timesofisrael.com

I hope it isn't NUT that was destroyed/retrieved from Israel.

 

[Hydration]

The approval of the approval of the approval of the approval of this form was funded by German banks
All the deals of the Egyptian army are financed by the army or with loans from the same countries, the deals of France, Germany and Italy


Relax, the deal has not been approved because it does not meet the Egyptian requests


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Egypt: concerns over the F-15 deal?
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The U.S. is said to have offered Egypt an updated proposal on the sale of F-15 Advanced Eagle fighter jets.

The U.S. proposal is reported to have considerably downgraded and underequipped the F-15s which has led to dissatisfaction from the Egyptian side.


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The U.S. is said to have offered Egypt an updated proposal on the sale of F-15 Advanced Eagle fighter jets.

The U.S. proposal is reported to have considerably downgraded and underequipped the F-15s which has led to dissatisfaction from the Egyptian side.

Tactical Report has made a 389-word report to shed more light on the U.S. proposal and the subsequent concerns over the deal.

Reports from Washington suggest that the U.S. has offered Egypt an updated proposal on the sale of Boeing F-15 Advanced Eagle fighter jets.

The deal which consisted of purchasing between 24 and 32 F-15s, came in a move to follow Cairo canceling a Su-35 order from Russia.

The deal has not been reached yet, as the U.S. is waiting for the Egyptian side to submit a final letter of request (LOR) based on the mentioned proposal.

Additionally, the U.S. Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) has not yet notified the U.S. Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sales (FMS) deal.

Available information reveals that Commander of the Egyptian Air Force (EAF) Lt-General Mohamed Abbas Helmy has raised many concerns to the Pentagon regarding Egyptian reservations and complaints about the F-15 proposed armament package and the terms of use.

As a result, Lt-General Helmy believes that the F-15 variants that the U.S. has offered will be less effective than the Mikoyan MiG-29M, which the EAF currently operates.

Moreover, the Egyptian side claims that the F-15 fighter jets are overpriced given the major downgrades involved, rendering their performance weaker in comparison to the F-16 fighters that are used by neighboring countries such as Israel.

Sources close to the situation say that Lt-General Helmy is also not satisfied with the lack of advanced air-to-ground or air-to-air missile weapons included in the F-15 proposal, as well as the downgraded electronic warfare (EW) systems and U.S. control over flight, deployment, and basing.

It is important to note that the U.S. has offered to equip the F-15 fighters with downgraded variants of the AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM), and will not provide Egypt with more advanced weapons, such as Israel's newer AIM-120C-7 models.

The AIM-120 AMRAAM is a U.S. beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) capable of all-weather day-and-night operations.

In addition, the F-15 fighters will be considerably downgraded, their codes will be strictly controlled by the U.S., and they will be unable to challenge neighboring countries' air superiority.

The same sources add that the U.S. is not willing to adjust the terms of the F-15 deal and has essentially presented the Egyptian side with a “take it or leave it” offer.

In fact, Cairo has yet to make a final decision over the deal, but the U.S. ultimately expects the Egyptians to agree to the sale.

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https://www.tacticalreport.com/news/article/59707-egypt-concerns-over-the-f-15-deal

My man just said the mig29m in the EAF is better than the proposed f-15. does that mean K-77m and newer versions of r-77 are reserved under the band of secrecy like most of the capable weapons Egypt puts under the table

 

[Ghostkiller]

My man just said the mig29m in the EAF is better than the proposed f-15. does that mean K-77m and newer versions of r-77 are reserved under the band of secrecy like most of the capable weapons Egypt puts under the table

Sadly we don't know that if we have the most advance R-77 versions

 

[Philip the Arab]

My man just said the mig29m in the EAF is better than the proposed f-15. does that mean K-77m and newer versions of r-77 are reserved under the band of secrecy like most of the capable weapons Egypt puts under the table

Mig-29M being better than a fighter with 10000kg more takeoff weight means that the American F-15 is highly downgraded and not worth buying.

 

[Ghostkiller]

Mig-29M being better than a fighter with 10000kg more takeoff weight means that the American F-15 is highly downgraded and not worth buying.

Sometimes, Tactical Report isn't that reliable. I am sure that our Air Force will choose the right decision and not to repeat the same mistakes with our F-16s.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Interesting…

https://www.tacticalreport.com/news/article/59716-egypt-brazil-and-av-tm-300-missiles

Egypt is reported to be close to procuring AV-TM 300 missiles along with their launcher platform, the Avibras Astros II MK6 system.

This deal is said to be part of a broader series of agreements that were recently signed between Egypt and Brazilian defense companies.

 

[ARCH٤R]

Sometimes, Tactical Report isn't that reliable. I am sure that our Air Force will choose the right decision and not to repeat the same mistakes with our F-16s.

The is no “mistake” with the EAF F-16s fleet.
Most EAF F-16s were delivered during a time when they were technologically on par with the other F-16s in the region, Apaches received in the 90s were a carbon copy of the US standard during the time.
Whatever hits the EAF from the US nowadays is caused by having the QME an official policy instead of a preference among the Congress members in the US.

 

[Ghostkiller]

The is no “mistake” with the EAF F-16s fleet.
Most EAF F-16s were delivered during a time when they were technologically on par with the other F-16s in the region, Apaches received in the 90s were a carbon copy of the US standard during the time.
Whatever hits the EAF from the US nowadays is caused by having the QME an official policy instead of a preference among the Congress members in the US.

Ik that when we purchased them they were good standard. But what I meant is when we couldn't have AIM-120 missiles.

 

[Gomig-21]

The deal which consisted of purchasing between 24 and 32 F-15s, came in a move to follow Cairo canceling a Su-35 order from Russia.

This is a pretty interesting paragraph. If we were to assume this article is accurate (although there isn't any other source that I am aware of that gives similar information), then there's 3 particularly interesting points here. 1, the number of aircraft is nowhere near the 40+ that so many predicted which really sheds light on how easily things can be exaggerated by some. Gotta be much more pragmatic and understanding that the US doesn't offer such large numbers on an initial deal for an aircraft like this. 2 it says "purchasing" which means Egypt will be paying for these now and they're not part of the aid package. Since when has Egypt ever paid for any purchase from the US? And 3, the last line "came in a move to follow Cairo cancelling the Su-35 order from Russia" suggests that the Su-deal is cancelled. Words and sentence structure are very important, especially when the author & publication claims this was a "prepared 389-word report."

Available information reveals that Commander of the Egyptian Air Force (EAF) Lt-General Mohamed Abbas Helmy has raised many concerns to the Pentagon regarding Egyptian reservations and complaints about the F-15 proposed armament package and the terms of use.

Good for him! I knew this man was a great choice for air force lieutenant commander.

As a result, Lt-General Helmy believes that the F-15 variants that the U.S. has offered will be less effective than the Mikoyan MiG-29M, which the EAF currently operates.

Shame on the United States for insulting a great nation and ally like Egypt with an offer that would cause a former F-4 Phantom pilot and now head of the EAF to make such a distinction. This also means that the current MiG-29M/M2s in the EAF are excellent machines and have tremendous A-G weapons which we know of and very decent off-boresight short range missile in the R-73/74, but not the greatest in BVR missiles, unfortunately. But it is a good testament to the EAF MiGs and we can tell how they like them a lot the way they're flying them regularly and even taking them to Greece and Saudi Arabia on exercises.

Moreover, the Egyptian side claims that the F-15 fighter jets are overpriced given the major downgrades involved, rendering their performance weaker in comparison to the F-16 fighters that are used by neighboring countries such as Israel.

Sources close to the situation say that Lt-General Helmy is also not satisfied with the lack of advanced air-to-ground or air-to-air missile weapons included in the F-15 proposal, as well as the downgraded electronic warfare (EW) systems and U.S. control over flight, deployment, and basing

"Overpriced"? That certainly means Egypt is paying for them. If that's the case, what nerve to offer a crapped down version for top dollar!? And weaker than the piece of crap Israeli F-16!? That's even worst. And downgraded EW? Are they not aware that Egypt already possesses SPECTRA on the Rafale as well as sensor fusion and one of the most advanced EW suite out of any fighter out there?

And control over flight, deployment and basing! Basing!? Why the frig would they care which base the EAF would want to use for them? That is about as absurd as it gets.

In fact, Cairo has yet to make a final decision over the deal, but the U.S. ultimately expects the Egyptians to agree to the sale.

"Expects them to agree to the SALE"? I truly hope that the EAF sends them a letter that reads only one line, in huge, bold letters as such.

KICK ROCKS, THEN GO POUND SAND!

Mig-29M being better than a fighter with 10000kg more takeoff weight means that the American F-15 is highly downgraded and not worth buying.

Absolutely. It's not surprising that the US made such a horrible offer and it also said "take it or leave it" which is even more of an insult, as if the EAF doesn't have any other choice if it denies their offer. It's so insulting it's ridiculous and a far cry from what we were anticipating the EAF would want; AIM-120C-7 or D (I think Pakistan has the D if I'm not mistaken), and equipping 100 F-16s with them as well as JDAMs & AIM-9X lool. Instead they offer a turkey turd.

Here's the ultimate question that really never gets discussed in detail - why is the US so apprehensive about Egypt obtaining advanced platforms & weapons? Despite other countries like the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Qatar receiving top of the line platforms from their super advanced F-15s & F-16s to Apache Longbows to AIM-120 missiles and tankers and advanced AWACs etc. and none of them have any peace agreements with Israel like Egypt has honored for 40 years and these other countries don't even recognize the apartheid state. So why the heck is Egypt treated like such a pariah?

 

[The SC]

Israeli intelligence Sisi is smiling at us with a dagger in his hand, and the Egyptian army is in Sinai for Israel

 

[The SC]

Here's the ultimate question that really never gets discussed in detail - why is the US so apprehensive about Egypt obtaining advanced platforms & weapons? Despite other countries like the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Qatar receiving top of the line platforms from their super advanced F-15s & F-16s to Apache Longbows to AIM-120 missiles and tankers and advanced AWACs etc. and none of them have any peace agreements with Israel like Egypt has honored for 40 years and these other countries don't even recognize the apartheid state. So why the heck is Egypt treated like such a pariah?

It is a question of signing the CISMOA.. the countries you have mentioned had signed it 20-30 years before Egypt.. as simple as that..but that does not justify providing Egypt with lower tech than others now that it has signed it.. very strange and weird..