Egyptian Armed Forces

[The SC]

Egypt is in negotiations for the SuperTermoli (ST) 60 ..Italian design and Greek manufacture, speeds up to 70 knots..

The technologies and expertise of SuperTermoli ST60 interceptor have given rise to a vessel comparable to a supercar: tremendously fast, but also able to navigate safely at cruising speeds substantially above the upper limits of many other boats! This line of models is high-speed powerboats made of fiberglass specifically designed for special operations. Depending on the engines installed, they can reach a top speed of more than 70 knots (the newer models) even in rough waters and can carry maximum 20 people for special missions. SuperTermoli powerboats are made to offer reliability and endurance under extreme situations that long-range operations demand, maintaining speeds of 60 knots..

The hull of SuperTermoli powerboat has been proven as seaworthy and high performance designed to reduce drag and friction while providing extra lift force. They are boats full of Italian technology and represent the state of the art of shipbuilding and mechanical engineering for boating. The hull, engines, transmissions and all technical equipment are produced with advanced technologies. its boats for high performance and high standards of safety and reliability. All SuperTermoli powerboats have been designed and developed to operate under the most difficult conditions and have proven to be reliable and efficient in almost any sea conditions.

Advanced composite materials and technologies are used extensively to maximize range, mission payload, speed, shallow water capabilities, reliability/availability, maintainability and multi-mission capabilities. External fittings on the craft are kept to a minimum to maintain a low radar cross-section. The regulation of the behavior of the boat takes place through a complete propulsion system with dynamic cruising equalization that includes four drive shafts, two hydraulic TRIM TABS RACING type fins and a JOLLY DRIVE SPECIAL surface drive system. The fins are placed symmetrically on the transom and their control is done remotely by the switch in console of the cockpit. There are four ZF gear boxes and four SILROP NiBraL propellers.

The general characteristics of the ST60 is 18,6m length overall, 3,4m beam max, 1m draft and 2,8 height max only. The displacement is about 16t, the full load displacement more than 25t, max speed at light conditions >60 kts (with 4 SEATEK x725HP) and range >400n.m with the cruising speed about 45kts. It can operate even at 7-8 Beaufort with absolute safety! Accommodation typically consists of an open or semi-enclosed cockpit with various seating layouts. The upper deck can accommodate up to 10 seats and the lower deck a WC compartment and up to 20 seats depending on the layout. Both the cabin and cockpit (enclosed version) can be air conditioned.

According to the information, SUPERTERMOLI ST60 was during the previous period in the evaluation center by the Egyptian Navy, specifically by the Egyptian Marines and Frogmen. Today, negotiations are in full swing so that Egypt can move forward in the giant market for the aforementioned ships. After all, this is something that was first mentioned in the Greek press.

The two primary versions offered for military use are two.

The first relates to the ST60 model, which covers the need to transport personnel. The boat can carry up to 20 fully equipped commandos and disembark them via a special ramp on the bow. At the same time, above the superstructure on the bridge, a 12.7-mm machine gun can be carried, which is quite stable and remotely controlled.

The second version is again related to the same ST60 with the difference that it is a ship with the main difference being the heavy armament which consists of two remotely controlled armament stations, one in the bow (20mm or 12.7mm cannon) and one booster station over the bridge with a caliber of 12.7mm. In this version of the speedboat, the focus is on firepower while carrying capacity is limited to 10 people.

In addition, machine guns (either 12.7 mm or 7.62) can be mounted on pedestals while the ship's capabilities are offloaded by the installation of small rocket weapons such as the French MMP from MBDA. The ship is the most well-equipped in its class and is converted into a powerful weapon system capable of providing fire support to combat units on target, such as the task of transporting amphibious commandos, or even attacking larger ships if required as a result of tactics..

The armament of the ST 60 can consist of the following options:

Leonardo introduced the new family of remote control turrets for Lionfish ships, the turrets are designed to accommodate 12.7 and 20 mm machine guns and cannons in four versions: Lionfish Inner Reloading, Lionfish Ultralight, Lionfish Top and Lionfish 20. Electrode sensor for target recognition, day and night . In the Lionfish Inner Reloading version, the turret includes a 12.7-mm machine gun, in the Lionfish Ultralight version, it has a 12.7-mm machine gun, but it is less weight and size than the Inner Reloading version, in the Lionfish Top version, it has a 12.7-mm machine gun, but it has a larger holder for the cartridge, while in the Lionfish 20 version it includes a 20 mm cannon. It should be noted that the Italian Leonardo offers low-weight towers,

https://www.navalanalyses.com/2021/01/supertermoli-st-60mmi-successor-of.html

 

[Titanium100]

Usrael is very close by to Egypt.. The 300 km range ones are there already and enough as far as range is concerned.. But it is a good idea to have longer ranges .. mostly launched by submarines..

Egypt is in negotiations for the SuperTermoli (ST) 60 ..Italian design and Greek manufacture, speeds up to 70 knots..

The technologies and expertise of SuperTermoli ST60 interceptor have given rise to a vessel comparable to a supercar: tremendously fast, but also able to navigate safely at cruising speeds substantially above the upper limits of many other boats! This line of models is high-speed powerboats made of fiberglass specifically designed for special operations. Depending on the engines installed, they can reach a top speed of more than 70 knots (the newer models) even in rough waters and can carry maximum 20 people for special missions. SuperTermoli powerboats are made to offer reliability and endurance under extreme situations that long-range operations demand, maintaining speeds of 60 knots..

The hull of SuperTermoli powerboat has been proven as seaworthy and high performance designed to reduce drag and friction while providing extra lift force. They are boats full of Italian technology and represent the state of the art of shipbuilding and mechanical engineering for boating. The hull, engines, transmissions and all technical equipment are produced with advanced technologies. its boats for high performance and high standards of safety and reliability. All SuperTermoli powerboats have been designed and developed to operate under the most difficult conditions and have proven to be reliable and efficient in almost any sea conditions.

Advanced composite materials and technologies are used extensively to maximize range, mission payload, speed, shallow water capabilities, reliability/availability, maintainability and multi-mission capabilities. External fittings on the craft are kept to a minimum to maintain a low radar cross-section. The regulation of the behavior of the boat takes place through a complete propulsion system with dynamic cruising equalization that includes four drive shafts, two hydraulic TRIM TABS RACING type fins and a JOLLY DRIVE SPECIAL surface drive system. The fins are placed symmetrically on the transom and their control is done remotely by the switch in console of the cockpit. There are four ZF gear boxes and four SILROP NiBraL propellers.

The general characteristics of the ST60 is 18,6m length overall, 3,4m beam max, 1m draft and 2,8 height max only. The displacement is about 16t, the full load displacement more than 25t, max speed at light conditions >60 kts (with 4 SEATEK x725HP) and range >400n.m with the cruising speed about 45kts. It can operate even at 7-8 Beaufort with absolute safety! Accommodation typically consists of an open or semi-enclosed cockpit with various seating layouts. The upper deck can accommodate up to 10 seats and the lower deck a WC compartment and up to 20 seats depending on the layout. Both the cabin and cockpit (enclosed version) can be air conditioned.

According to the information, SUPERTERMOLI ST60 was during the previous period in the evaluation center by the Egyptian Navy, specifically by the Egyptian Marines and Frogmen. Today, negotiations are in full swing so that Egypt can move forward in the giant market for the aforementioned ships. After all, this is something that was first mentioned in the Greek press.

The two primary versions offered for military use are two.

The first relates to the ST60 model, which covers the need to transport personnel. The boat can carry up to 20 fully equipped commandos and disembark them via a special ramp on the bow. At the same time, above the superstructure on the bridge, a 12.7-mm machine gun can be carried, which is quite stable and remotely controlled.

The second version is again related to the same ST60 with the difference that it is a ship with the main difference being the heavy armament which consists of two remotely controlled armament stations, one in the bow (20mm or 12.7mm cannon) and one booster station over the bridge with a caliber of 12.7mm. In this version of the speedboat, the focus is on firepower while carrying capacity is limited to 10 people.

In addition, machine guns (either 12.7 mm or 7.62) can be mounted on pedestals while the ship's capabilities are offloaded by the installation of small rocket weapons such as the French MMP from MBDA. The ship is the most well-equipped in its class and is converted into a powerful weapon system capable of providing fire support to combat units on target, such as the task of transporting amphibious commandos, or even attacking larger ships if required as a result of tactics..

The armament of the ST 60 can consist of the following options:

Leonardo introduced the new family of remote control turrets for Lionfish ships, the turrets are designed to accommodate 12.7 and 20 mm machine guns and cannons in four versions: Lionfish Inner Reloading, Lionfish Ultralight, Lionfish Top and Lionfish 20. Electrode sensor for target recognition, day and night . In the Lionfish Inner Reloading version, the turret includes a 12.7-mm machine gun, in the Lionfish Ultralight version, it has a 12.7-mm machine gun, but it is less weight and size than the Inner Reloading version, in the Lionfish Top version, it has a 12.7-mm machine gun, but it has a larger holder for the cartridge, while in the Lionfish 20 version it includes a 20 mm cannon. It should be noted that the Italian Leonardo offers low-weight towers,

https://www.navalanalyses.com/2021/01/supertermoli-st-60mmi-successor-of.html

It looks as if it has laser guns on the pictures but that could only be the images.. I am not sure if they produce laser guns in Italy they may be behind on that front

 

[The SC]

It looks as if it has laser guns on the pictures but that could only be the images.. I am not sure if they produce laser guns in Italy they may be behind on that front

It is just firing bullets.. that is the fire it generates.. Laser guns are still a long way.. they are too big now even in the US and not practical..

 

[Titanium100]

It is just firing bullets.. that is the fire it generates.. Laser guns are still a long way.. they are too big now even in the US and not practical..

It is not long way some countries do have laser guns but it just not wide-spread yet

 

[Gomig-21]

Egypt is in negotiations for the SuperTermoli (ST) 60 ..Italian design and Greek manufacture, speeds up to 70 knots..

When I first read this the other day on Twitter, first thing that caught my eye was "Greek manufacturer"! That was a pleasant surprise to see and I was wondering when the heck were the two nations going to start working together on programs like this with all the amicable friendship and naval treaties and military & naval exercises (heck not just anyone is allowed to land their helos on Egyptian Mistrals but the Greeks were given permission lol and of course the French) and all the other brotherly love between the nations should've made something like this happen a lot sooner. But hey, another perfect example of "better late than never!"

Nothing like a GoFast boat with a turret and guns and missiles! loool Those things are awesome. You get 20 or 30 of those and you can wreak havoc on any coastal beach line.

 

[The SC]

When I first read this the other day on Twitter, first thing that caught my eye was "Greek manufacturer"! That was a pleasant surprise to see and I was wondering when the heck were the two nations going to start working together on programs like this with all the amicable friendship and naval treaties and military & naval exercises (heck not just anyone is allowed to land their helos on Egyptian Mistrals but the Greeks were given permission lol and of course the French) and all the other brotherly love between the nations should've made something like this happen a lot sooner. But hey, another perfect example of "better late than never!"

Nothing like a GoFast boat with a turret and guns and missiles! loool Those things are awesome. You get 20 or 30 of those and you can wreak havoc on any coastal beach line.

You are right.. there should be more cooperation.. most people here will be surprised that Greece even manufactures these unique interception and commando boats.. Let alone when you talk about their cruise missile MAKEDON..

 

[Philip the Arab]

Let alone when you talk about their cruise missile MAKEDON..

It has been cancelled a while ago unfortunately but could be restarted.

 

[The SC]

It has been cancelled a while ago unfortunately but could be restarted.

Most important is its technology..

In April 2011, the magazine "STRATIGIKI" reported that three years of hard work was a complete success ..

The cruise missile will be ready for production in 2014, superior in performance to the Turkish SOM. A number of Greek companies are participating in the project. The scheduled start of production is in 2014. The cost of an HSC-1 air-to-air missile (4.5 x 0.41 x 0.47 meters, weight 1050 kg, payload 300 kg, boost VRJ-1400A 1.95kN) is estimated at 850,000 euros, and its exit from production is expected in the 4th quarter of 2014. The cost of the naval version of the missile HSC-1N (5.5 x 0.49 x 0.52, weight 1250 kg, useful weight 300 kg, boost VRJ-1500A 5.1kN) for Mk41 / 57VLS launcher is estimated at 1,000,000 euros, with the exit from the production process scheduled for the 4th quarter of 2017.

The engine was refined with a boost of 150 kg for the HSC-1 "MAKEDON". This will allow the rocket to maneuver up to 15 g at speeds above 1100 km / h, with the fuel injection system optimizing combustion for maximum engine reliability.
With a range of at least 250 kilometers, and in the naval version with a range of 800 kilometers.

https://web.archive.org/web/2014030...απάντηση-στον-τουρκικό-SOM.html#comment-14977

 

[Gomig-21]

You are right.. there should be more cooperation.. most people here will be surprised that Greece even manufactures these unique interception and commando boats.. Let alone when you talk about their cruise missile MAKEDON..

That's so true, even I was surprised to be perfectly honest with you. Not to take anything away from the Greeks and this excellent and worthy indigenous creation, boats of that nature and style are not comparable to items like large frigates and things of that sort. So the impression level was not as much as something like the MAKKEDON. Now that was surprising for sure (but one can see why they were pushing for it considering they claimed it to be superior to the Turkish SOM or whatever and the competition was a large incentive for them to put that CM together, despite the stoppage) and what a shame that they had to halt its development. Undoubtedly because of the financial crisis that hit Greece a lot harder than any of the other European countries and it's still recovering very slowly till this day.

It has been cancelled a while ago unfortunately but could be restarted.

Now this would be one heck of a HUGE opportunity for Egypt to purchase the ENTIRE program from the Greeks and just cruise away with it (no pun intended) and build Egypt's own, indigenous program. If there was ever a sign to be read on a silver platter offered to one right in front of their kisser, this is it!

 

[Philip the Arab]

Now this would be one heck of a HUGE opportunity for Egypt to purchase the ENTIRE program from the Greeks and just cruise away with it (no pun intended) and build Egypt's own, indigenous program. If there was ever a sign to be read on a silver platter offered to one right in front of their kisser, this is it!

Denel of South Africa back in the 90s and early 2000s would have transferred a whole program to Egypt like they did to Pakistan with the MUPSOW and Raptor missiles.

 

[The SC]

That's so true, even I was surprised to be perfectly honest with you. Not to take anything away from the Greeks and this excellent and worthy indigenous creation, boats of that nature and style are not comparable to items like large frigates and things of that sort. So the impression level was not as much as something like the MAKKEDON. Now that was surprising for sure (but one can see why they were pushing for it considering they claimed it to be superior to the Turkish SOM or whatever and the competition was a large incentive for them to put that CM together, despite the stoppage) and what a shame that they had to halt its development. Undoubtedly because of the financial crisis that hit Greece a lot harder than any of the other European countries and it's still recovering very slowly till this day.

Yes there were very big financial problems.. but Greece is doing well today with it shipping industry.. at least..

https://www.greeceinvestorguide.com/sectors/maritime/

https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/shipbuilding/greece-puts-hellenic-shipyards-sales-block-finally

Now this would be one heck of a HUGE opportunity for Egypt to purchase the ENTIRE program from the Greeks and just cruise away with it (no pun intended) and build Egypt's own, indigenous program. If there was ever a sign to be read on a silver platter offered to one right in front of their kisser, this is it!

Who knows maybe Egypt did that already..as you said before.. EN won't allow just anyone to get on the Mistral..

 

[The SC]

The secret of Egypt's negotiation on Spanish submarines in light of the negotiation of the French Scorpion 2000 submarines ..And the most important thing that distinguishes the French submarine from the German submarine ..The most important armament of this submarine and the equipment it contains..

10+ Scorpene with ToT is going to be a very good deal..

 

[ARCH٤R]

In your opinion, do you think the Russians can be more or less trustworthy than the Americans.

Just my perspective and experience, Russia has screwed over Syria with regards to S-300s, they purchased them but prohibited the use of the battalions to defend themselves from Israeli Delilah's , and when Iran purchased the S-300PMU2's they reneged on the deal due to US pressure until Iran sued and the International courts forced them to provide the paid for equipment. Frankly, Iran has had a bitter experience with the Russians. While UN arms embargo has been removed, no one still is willing to sell even some like heavy air ambulances to Iran.

Do you think the same or similar could possibly apply here? Would Russia put limitation on Egypt as part of any deal not to use it against Ethiopia or Sudan? Does Russia have a much better reputation with the Egyptian Defense Industry?

The Russians need Egypt for various reasons hence I don’t think Russia would limit Egypt’s use of the weapons. Russia is always more likely to grand Egypt the manufacturing license for advanced weaponry than the US but up till now the US made Egypt produce better equipment.

Well sadat kicked them out of egypt like they have done nothing to egypt at all!!
Russia in my opinion prefer Iran on egypt except russia cant angry the west thats why they postponed the delivery of the s-300 its more about interests than friendship

They were evacuated short of the October war to maintain the popular opinion of Egypt not willing to fight Israel back in Israel’s government and media in 1973. Also, the Soviets were the ones to put Egypt in such a bad shape in 1967, giving Egypt the false intel about the IDF’s mobilizations and all was to prevent the Arabs from sterilizing the communist parties in their countries - something the Soviets would call for in turn for aiding the Egyptian and Syrian militaries. The Russians were the ones to train the Egyptian Military and that was a main reason why the Soviets replaced all of Egypt’s 1967 losses for free.

The FREMM Frigates which Italy uses have only 16 VLS for Air Defence missiles, but they have room for 16 more VLS if in future Italy decides to get them fit in for Land Attack Cruise Missiles. Does the ones Egypt is getting have same option available or not ?

I’m far from sure but the FREMMs Egypt got were initially intended for the Italian Navy and it’s unlikely a change in design was carried out during the final touches.

Egypt needs to go for long range land attack cruise missiles which can be fired both from ships as well as land. I mean at least of 1000 KM range. That is what has scared Israel the most and that was very reason Israel killed Egyptian scientists.

Was a reason why Egypt was heavily considering going for Russian warships and Subs before finally settling for Western European ones. The Zircon was always the easiest missile Egypt can negotiate for.

The secret of Egypt's negotiation on Spanish submarines in light of the negotiation of the French Scorpion 2000 submarines ..And the most important thing that distinguishes the French submarine from the German submarine ..The most important armament of this submarine and the equipment it contains..

10+ Scorpene with ToT is going to be a very good deal..

The 4-6 Scorpene subs are likely going to join the Egyptian Navy and might allow Type 209 to operate off the coasts of Libya and Yemen.

 

[Gomig-21]

The secret of Egypt's negotiation on Spanish submarines in light of the negotiation of the French Scorpion 2000 submarines ..And the most important thing that distinguishes the French submarine from the German submarine ..The most important armament of this submarine and the equipment it contains..

10+ Scorpene with ToT is going to be a very good deal..

If the number ends up being somewhere around that ridiculous figure of 12 - 14 that was circulating before, then it will be one of the craziest contract out of so many that the Egyptian military is involved in. It'll put the famous "unprecedented modernization in only 8 years" concept to shame, if this goes through with a 10-count or more of these incredible AIP deep water submarines that our cousins to the northeast have been jumping up and down and left and right trying to stop. One thing to them is "enough is enough" and maybe now that Bibi is out of action for a little while, their minds will be slightly preoccupied with other domestic issues like unfortunately stealing more Palestinian homes and neighborhoods from those poor people that they will take a backseat to Egypt's unmatched military procurement program and particularly these deadly submarines.

There's a real reason these frighten them to no avail and if there is any particular piece of equipment beside a nuclear ordinance that strikes ultimate fear in any nation, it's the capable submarine. Any military expert will tell you that the most efficient, deadly and un-defendable military asset that could single-handedly win you a war and is the most potent military asset for any army, is the submarine.

Another reason why they design special frigates just for the role of ASW or (anti-submarine warfare), even if you have the greatest of air forces and navies and land armies, you can be defeated by an enemy who has superior submarines in a day. That's how potent they are and why the Israelis are freaking out about this, not to mention what they were trying to do to put the kibosh on the 4 German Type 209s the EN ordered. And speaking of the Type 209s; as great as they are, they're still German-made which we all know supplies Israel's Dolphins which are essentially Type 210s or 212s if I'm not mistaken, and now that the EN has 4 and is in the game with modern subs to a certain extent, it's time to move away from the Germans because of their affinity and subdued obedience out of Holocaust guilt that it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that the Germans are supplying the Israelis with the entire blueprints of the EN's t-209. The French have come around after their little bitchiness post first order of Rafale and with the 2nd order they gave the EAF at a superb price along with other goodies, it's time to get back into the sphere of the French with their submarine assets and push for a large and complete number of these terrific submarines.

So, retire the Romeos or put them in storage, then if they manage anywhere between 4 to 6 Scorpenes, that will bring them to 8-10 total which I think would be a perfect amount for the EN's needs. Any number beyond that would be a super bonus IMO. Sorry about the long post. A lot to get out!

The 4-6 Scorpene subs are likely going to join the Egyptian Navy and might allow Type 209 to operate off the coasts of Libya and Yemen.

I also think that would be a more realistic number for the acquisition of that particular sub. When I saw SC's 10 I was shocked but he is right in that the article from Defense Arab and this video IINM, it mentioned that number and as a matter of fact, the same source earlier gave a number of 14 possible Scorpenes to the Egyptian Navy! A7a lol.

Honestly, it's hard to wrap one's head around a significant number like that. I mean, we're not talking about a squadron of F-16s or a batch of Su-35s. These are super lethal, non-nuclear powered AIP submarines with a plethora of advanced weapons that would instantly improve one's navy and military in a heartbeat. Wow. And then there's the potential ToT side to this which I think is what's driving the number of submarines up. Otherwise we would probably only see 4 max like the Type-209 IMO. Either way, once this deal is signed, I would really take a look at some of the new Russian attack subs they've been pumping out and try to work around this damn CAATSA headache.

The deal to manufacture submarines on Egyptian soil is a giant step towards Greater Egypt, is in its final stages | Pakistan Defence

 

[The SC]

From time to time, tests are conducted for random samples of the tank to ensure its efficiency

The Egyptian crews take a large number of hours on virtual war simulators programs (produced locally), in addition to the training hours they take in reality from military data or war projects, which simulate the Egyptian doctrine in armored fighting and that does not depend on what is provided to it from eastern training programs Or just western...

The Egyptians made some modifications to the engine themselves.
Other than that, they are clients of a program offered by Honeywell called Tiger, to develop the ATG-1500 Abrams engine..And this development is already used for US army tanks..
It came to avoid the defects that appeared in the tank's engine in the battles of Iraq.
And it has many benefits; it extends the engine life from 700 to 1400 hours and increases the reliability of the engine by 400%. It also provides an additional 70 miles without increasing the fuel tank.

http://tanknutdave.com/the-us-abrams-series/
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product.php?prodID=1160

Egypt manufactures the third generation of KE-WA2 ammunition
There were even Egyptian scientists who designed the ammunition, which is tungsten armor-piercing munitions

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/egypt/m1a1.htm


Of these 1005, Egypt is having 755 M1A1 up-grade to the M1A2 SEP
http://www.tanknutdave.com/component/content/article/5