Egyptian Armed Forces

[Gomig-21]

Now about your idea with Alexandria shipyard producing Egyptian ships. Maybe instead a joint Arab ship to develop at first a FAC and then moving into bigger ships with mostly indigenous electronics. With the Saudi, and Egyptian radars and electronics and Hazem CMS it could certainly be a possibility. Now there is also the UAE which can in theory develop a anti ship variant of the Tariq cruise missile in a ground launched variant for anti ship use, it would look a hell of a lot similar to the RBS-15.

That all sounds amazing and taking the Saudi/UAE/Egypt relations into consieration, it doesn't get any freindlier than these 3 and you would think it wouldn't be a difficult process to make such a cooperation work. But for some reason, it always seems to get complicated. You have Saudiya already paying over $30 billion for a bunch of US ships and incredible, top of the line naval assets while working on these French Gowinds as well as the Hazem CMS and not to mention what the UAE is involved in which is too much to even begin to mention and then take us, and all our projects from small radars to ToT on the Gowinds also to all sorts or weapon's systems and armored vehicles and so on and so forth. Getting people to organize such an endeavor -- and GOD forbid we actually start lighting it up in Libya!!!! And you know the UAE will be involved -- and it just seems like even if it's such a great idea, to get it rolling seems like a very difficult task. I like it, though, and maybe I'm wrong and it's not that difficult?

Some pics.

Presidential Blackhawk escorted by a pair of Apaches.

EAF F-16s

Block 52s on a training mission.

F-16D blk 52 (@The SC there's that idium-tinted canopy)

This picture has me a bit frazzled & puzzled @The SC , @Philip the Arab , @ARCH٤R , does that weapon's crewman look Egyptian or is he American with that uniform? And those colored boots? I'm thinking this is a joint weapon's loading drill with the US.

Cool angle view of a Rafale.

A rare look at one of the aggressor's F-16 blck-52 landing in the background.

And going back in time a little, Mirage VSDE.

 

[Philip the Arab]

This picture has me a bit frazzled & puzzled @The SC , @Philip the Arab , @ARCH٤R , does that weapon's crewman look Egyptian or is he American with that uniform? And those colored boots? I'm thinking this is a joint weapon's loading drill with the US.

He looks Egyptian to me I think. He could be a Arab US air force member though.

 

[HD Seeker-5000]

Hallo People

This is my very first post over hear at this forum. Although i would like to say first of all i have been loving interactive and captivating things have been going around in this forum this bast while. It is also very exciting for me to to join!

In case you have people have not been noticing there has been this photo that has went around on social media of Egypts Su-35s, showing the flag apparently being covered on the tail of the aircraft being tested.

Russian flankers do not have flags on there tails and another thing is that the coding which are numbers like 9214, 91213..etc on the tail is not used by Russia, Indonesia or China on there aircraft. So there is strong reason to believe those are Egyptian.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Brothers, besides Bastion which other coastal defense missile should Egypt get? I think most likely Bal-E coastal defense missile would be the best, but there are European options if necessary. This would be the subsonic sea skimmer while the Bastion would be the supersonic streaker.

Bal-E is a downgraded export version. It uses Kh-35E missiles with a range of 130 km, or newer Kh-35UE missiles with a range of 260 km.

 

[ARCH٤R]

Hallo People

This is my very first post over hear at this forum. Although i would like to say first of all i have been loving interactive and captivating things have been going around in this forum this bast while. It is also very exciting for me to to join!

In case you have people have not been noticing there has been this photo that has went around on social media of Egypts Su-35s, showing the flag apparently being covered on the tail of the aircraft being tested.

Russian flankers do not have flags on there tails and another thing is that the coding which are numbers like 9214, 91213..etc on the tail is not used by Russia, Indonesia or China on there aircraft. So there is strong reason to believe those are Egyptian.

Hello there and welcome to the forum! Yes, you are correct. This Su-35 is Egyptian and was spotted in eastern Russia. Speaking about planes, the EAF needs to get a photographer. Does anyone here know anything about the F-16 upgrades? I’ve came across this patch lately.

Second thing - I found this photo recently; AlJazeera claimed that the aircrafts were gone after the President visited it, but did anyone in AJ wonder what is the purpose of the 20+ shelters in Sidi Barrani?! This is the product of being biased, you get to have the ones with good knowledge laugh . I can also confirm at least one E2C Hawkeye is in Mersa Matruh Air Base.

Operation Bright Star is postponed to 2021, COVID-19 fears from both sides are the cause.

 

[Gomig-21]

Brothers, besides Bastion which other coastal defense missile should Egypt get? I think most likely Bal-E coastal defense missile would be the best, but there are European options if necessary. This would be the subsonic sea skimmer while the Bastion would be the supersonic streaker.

Well, it depends on how many Bastion system they ordered? According to the stats, a single Bastion mobile system can defend 600 km (300 in each direction) of coastal area, that's simplifying the math just for the sake of this discussion but it's a bit more complicted than that because of geometry and algebra dictating the exact coverage range of that 600kms.

Egypt has a little over 2900 km of coastal lands so let's call it 3000 to simplify it. If the 600 is maximum on the Bastion, that means they would need 5 systems to cover the entire coastal length of Egypt. Again, that's just by simplifying the math for the coverage. That's also stretching the Bastion to its maximum and who knows how many times that covers, probably one shot each is my guess although it appears there are 2 missiles per truck. So one would need to factor that in. My guess is that you would either get 2 shots at that distance and coverage or, they're designed to shoot both missiles for great chances of hits.

So they'll probably need additional systems to augment the load so it's not maxed out and if they have several batteries of the S-300VM (some are saying it's actually the V4 BTW) and even the Patriot is in Egypt for sure after listening to that ambassador's interview the other day, but that's protecting high value sites inland and particularly Cairo.

Granted an ADS is a bit different in a coastal defense system, but Egypt has a huge supply of AD systems of all kinds and ranges and between mobile systems and naval platform ones and airborne ones etc., they might just have what they need for now since I would factor in the SCALP Cruise missiles, the KH-31s, Harpoons, all the VLS missiles in the frigates and corvettes etc. A lot to factor in.

Was looking at the camo on the new Su-35SEs and this picture came up and I found it interesting that they chose this same color to match the MiG-35s. I think that's pretty interesting instead of just a standard, all around smokey grey like the F-16s and Rafales.

https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2020-07/1595570247_screenshot_1140.jpg

Hallo People

This is my very first post over hear at this forum. Although i would like to say first of all i have been loving interactive and captivating things have been going around in this forum this bast while. It is also very exciting for me to to join!

In case you have people have not been noticing there has been this photo that has went around on social media of Egypts Su-35s, showing the flag apparently being covered on the tail of the aircraft being tested.

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Russian flankers do not have flags on there tails and another thing is that the coding which are numbers like 9214, 91213..etc on the tail is not used by Russia, Indonesia or China on there aircraft. So there is strong reason to believe those are Egyptian.

Welcome ya basha! You're right about the flag. I mentioned the same thing a few posts ago and not just the flag, but if you look at the front of the side fuselage right under the middle of the cockpit, you'll see a round, white shape which many are saying is where the roundel will be and is covered up.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Egypt has a little over 2900 km of coastal lands so let's call it 3000 to simplify it. If the 600 is maximum on the Bastion, that means they would need 5 systems to cover the entire coastal length of Egypt. Again, that's just by simplifying the math for the coverage. That's also stretching the Bastion to its maximum and who knows how many times that covers, probably one shot each is my guess although it appears there are 2 missiles per truck. So one would need to factor that in. My guess is that you would either get 2 shots at that distance and coverage or, they're designed to shoot both missiles for great chances of hits.

Well, if you think about it, it would probably be best to launch volleys of missiles that are different in performance so as to increase the chance of target penetration. You know, the KH-35 is like the Harpoon which is harder to intercept, and the Oniks is basically a Brahmos which the US navy and NATO is more used to intercepting because of the altitude it travels at. That is why maybe the Russians operate both systems in my opinion. You know ying-yang, hi-low, fast-slow.

Ships, and aircraft missiles must be factored in of well as you said.

 

[HD Seeker-5000]

Hello there and welcome to the forum! Yes, you are correct. This Su-35 is Egyptian and was spotted in eastern Russia. Speaking about planes, the EAF needs to get a photographer. Does anyone here know anything about the F-16 upgrades? I’ve came across this patch lately.View attachment 656546
Second thing - I found this photo recently; AlJazeera claimed that the aircrafts were gone after the President visited it, but did anyone in AJ wonder what is the purpose of the 20+ shelters in Sidi Barrani?! This is the product of being biased, you get to have the ones with good knowledge laugh . I can also confirm at least one E2C Hawkeye is in Mersa Matruh Air Base.
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Operation Bright Star is postponed to 2021, COVID-19 fears from both sides are the cause.

Thank you very much! Yes Indeed they do need a special and skilled photographer of there own. And with Regards to the F-16s too, i am very hopeful they they do decided to sell to use the AIM-120C AMRAAM Missile. I guess our leverage over them is the fact we are able to get an equivalent from other sources.

 

[HD Seeker-5000]

Well, it depends on how many Bastion system they ordered? According to the stats, a single Bastion mobile system can defend 600 km (300 in each direction) of coastal area, that's simplifying the math just for the sake of this discussion but it's a bit more complicted than that because of geometry and algebra dictating the exact coverage range of that 600kms.

Egypt has a little over 2900 km of coastal lands so let's call it 3000 to simplify it. If the 600 is maximum on the Bastion, that means they would need 5 systems to cover the entire coastal length of Egypt. Again, that's just by simplifying the math for the coverage. That's also stretching the Bastion to its maximum and who knows how many times that covers, probably one shot each is my guess although it appears there are 2 missiles per truck. So one would need to factor that in. My guess is that you would either get 2 shots at that distance and coverage or, they're designed to shoot both missiles for great chances of hits.

So they'll probably need additional systems to augment the load so it's not maxed out and if they have several batteries of the S-300VM (some are saying it's actually the V4 BTW) and even the Patriot is in Egypt for sure after listening to that ambassador's interview the other day, but that's protecting high value sites inland and particularly Cairo.

Granted an ADS is a bit different in a coastal defense system, but Egypt has a huge supply of AD systems of all kinds and ranges and between mobile systems and naval platform ones and airborne ones etc., they might just have what they need for now since I would factor in the SCALP Cruise missiles, the KH-31s, Harpoons, all the VLS missiles in the frigates and corvettes etc. A lot to factor in.

Was looking at the camo on the new Su-35SEs and this picture came up and I found it interesting that they chose this same color to match the MiG-35s. I think that's pretty interesting instead of just a standard, all around smokey grey like the F-16s and Rafales.

https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2020-07/1595570247_screenshot_1140.jpg



Welcome ya basha! You're right about the flag. I mentioned the same thing a few posts ago and not just the flag, but if you look at the front of the side fuselage right under the middle of the cockpit, you'll see a round, white shape which many are saying is where the roundel will be and is covered up.

Oh that white round thing were you see under the middle of the cockpit is just some standard thing that they seem to have on every Su-35 aircraft. That is not something just on ours.

 

[The SC]

Well, it depends on how many Bastion system they ordered? According to the stats, a single Bastion mobile system can defend 600 km (300 in each direction) of coastal area, that's simplifying the math just for the sake of this discussion but it's a bit more complicted than that because of geometry and algebra dictating the exact coverage range of that 600kms.

Egypt has a little over 2900 km of coastal lands so let's call it 3000 to simplify it. If the 600 is maximum on the Bastion, that means they would need 5 systems to cover the entire coastal length of Egypt. Again, that's just by simplifying the math for the coverage. That's also stretching the Bastion to its maximum and who knows how many times that covers, probably one shot each is my guess although it appears there are 2 missiles per truck. So one would need to factor that in. My guess is that you would either get 2 shots at that distance and coverage or, they're designed to shoot both missiles for great chances of hits.

So they'll probably need additional systems to augment the load so it's not maxed out and if they have several batteries of the S-300VM (some are saying it's actually the V4 BTW) and even the Patriot is in Egypt for sure after listening to that ambassador's interview the other day, but that's protecting high value sites inland and particularly Cairo.

Granted an ADS is a bit different in a coastal defense system, but Egypt has a huge supply of AD systems of all kinds and ranges and between mobile systems and naval platform ones and airborne ones etc., they might just have what they need for now since I would factor in the SCALP Cruise missiles, the KH-31s, Harpoons, all the VLS missiles in the frigates and corvettes etc. A lot to factor in.

Was looking at the camo on the new Su-35SEs and this picture came up and I found it interesting that they chose this same color to match the MiG-35s. I think that's pretty interesting instead of just a standard, all around smokey grey like the F-16s and Rafales.

https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2020-07/1595570247_screenshot_1140.jpg



Welcome ya basha! You're right about the flag. I mentioned the same thing a few posts ago and not just the flag, but if you look at the front of the side fuselage right under the middle of the cockpit, you'll see a round, white shape which many are saying is where the roundel will be and is covered up.

K-300P Bastion-P

The contract for the supply of this military equipment was signed between Cairo and Moscow in 2013..

A single battery contains 18 dual launch platforms.. These platforms can be controlled from a command and control center remote if all of them are deployed in one place..

According to the Russian TOP WAR website, Russia and Egypt have accelerated the delivery of the Bastion system equipped with K-300P Bastion-P anti-ship missiles from Russia to Egypt during the past period.

The Bastion system is equipped with winged anti-ship Yakhont missiles, which are three times as fast as sound. And the number in one missile complex reaches 36. The "Yakhont" missiles can hit targets at a distance of 300 kilometers at a speed of 750 meters per second, and when approaching the target the height of the missile's flight decreases to between 15 meters and 10 meters. It targets hostile ships and ship groups alike in extreme fire and electronic warfare conditions. It is equipped with a high technology system that allows it to be invisible to radars.

"Yakhont" missiles can carry a destructive radar-guided head weighing 200 kilograms, and can also track the target automatically and by itself, which is known in military terms as "fire and forget".

Deploying the system in combat positions and making it ready, takes only five minutes..

The important thing is that it will cover the entire economic waters of Egypt and then by about a hundred kilometers, It can provide interdiction of a large area to cut off supplies to any force trying to attack the economic zone and destroy the attacking force and increase the options of dealing with it in addition to the navy and air force..


The main point here is when you have the power to deter, you are thus preventing war and that is a powerful message for any party that wants to threaten Egypt's economic interests and its national security. The bill for a new weapon, of course, will be much less than the bill for engaging in a real war..

 

[Gomig-21]

Oh that white round thing were you see under the middle of the cockpit is just some standard thing that they seem to have on every Su-35 aircraft. That is not something just on ours.

Yep, but according to a couple of Russian fellas on another forum, they said that spot is for a roundel or any other type of insignia that had an overall circular shape to it, and since the VVS has the red star, they don't choose to put if there and only on the V-stabs. So we'll see if there is any truth to that when they come ISA and the EAF puts the roundel somewhere.

K-300P Bastion-P
A single battery contains 18 dual launch platforms.. These platforms can be controlled from a command and control center remote if all of them are deployed in one place..

According to the Russian TOP WAR website, Russia and Egypt have accelerated the delivery of the Bastion system equipped with K-300P Bastion-P anti-ship missiles from Russia to Egypt during the past period.

The Bastion system is equipped with winged anti-ship Yakhont missiles, which are three times as fast as sound. And the number in one missile complex reaches 36. The "Yakhont" missiles can hit targets at a distance of 300 kilometers at a speed of 750 meters per second, and when approaching the target the height of the missile's flight decreases to between 15 meters and 10 meters. It targets hostile ships and ship groups alike in extreme fire and electronic confrontation conditions. It is equipped with a high technology system that allows it to be invisible to radars.

"Yakhont" missiles can carry a destructive radar-guided head weighing 200 kilograms, and can also track and track the target automatically and by itself, which is known in military terms as "fire and forget".

Good stuff. Similar to the S-300VM IIRC, as far as the number of missile launchers per battery. So 18 dual launchers for 36 per battery at 600km per makes the coastal coverage of around 21,000km....if my math is right (which was NEVER my strength in school LOL) then I would say the entire coast is covered by this Bastion system 7 times over! Does that sound right to you, SC>

Speaking of your opinion, what do you think of this picture here LOL! I love it with papa Sisi in the middle like can you spot Sisi? Those cadets must've just graduated judging by how young they look.

BTW @The SC , do you have that picture of the EAF Mirage 5 E-2 parked diagonally with a Hellenic Mirage 2K I believe it was and all the pilots from both countries holding each other's flags during one of the Medusa exercises? I'm looking for it for another thread and can't find it! If you have it or can find it, please post it, bro. That would be great. If not, no worries don't kill yourself looking for it, bro. Thanks, man.

 

[Philip the Arab]

@Gomig-21
I noticed does Egypt not like to buy Russian ships?

 

[The SC]

Yep, but according to a couple of Russian fellas on another forum, they said that spot is for a roundel or any other type of insignia that had an overall circular shape to it, and since the VVS has the red star, they don't choose to put if there and only on the V-stabs. So we'll see if there is any truth to that when they come ISA and the EAF puts the roundel somewhere.



Good stuff. Similar to the S-300VM IIRC, as far as the number of missile launchers per battery. So 18 dual launchers for 36 per battery at 600km per makes the coastal coverage of around 21,000km....if my math is right (which was NEVER my strength in school LOL) then I would say the entire coast is covered by this Bastion system 7 times over! Does that sound right to you, SC>

Speaking of your opinion, what do you think of this picture here LOL! I love it with papa Sisi in the middle like can you spot Sisi? Those cadets must've just graduated judging by how young they look.

BTW @The SC , do you have that picture of the EAF Mirage 5 E-2 parked diagonally with a Hellenic Mirage 2K I believe it was and all the pilots from both countries holding each other's flags during one of the Medusa exercises? I'm looking for it for another thread and can't find it! If you have it or can find it, please post it, bro. That would be great. If not, no worries don't kill yourself looking for it, bro. Thanks, man.

Yes 7 times over.. just in case! lol
But let's say 5 batteries each covering.. 600 km.. that amounts to 3000 km in total.. and we can add 2 batteries for the Red Sea..

Of course can't miss Papa Sisi with his black sunglasses right in the middle of all those young chaps..

I'll try to find that picture for you..I'll do my best..

 

[The SC]

@Gomig-21
I noticed does Egypt not like to buy Russian ships?

Some are gonna be made in Egypt soon..

 

[Philip the Arab]

Some are gonna be made in Egypt soon..

Buyan-M is preferable for Egyptian navy in my opinion. The LACM Kalibr alone is huge for Egyptian navy and they only weight 1000 tons.