Egypt likely to get F-15s: CENTCOM chief

[maithil]

Kitna paisa hai bhai inke paas.. Amazing. On buying spree for years now.

 

[aviator_fan]

Don't buy all the Israeli propaganda. Egyptian military performed admirably in 1973. If they had better AC at the time, Israel would not exist today. That's why USA wont give EAF anything with good BVR.

Egyptian Army did in operating SAMs. Air Force did zilch. Not a single Israeli jet shot down in air-to-air in either 67 or 73. In fact there is a famous shot of an Egyptian Mig 17 pilot accidentally landing on an Israeli base because pilot got disoriented on his strike mission.

And its not a matter of being outclassed based on equipment. Egyptian's had similar equipment as what Vietnamese had against the US Air Force and so similar adversary as what the Israelis were using.

It does come down to ability, aggressiveness, and tactics with universally not just the Egyptian but all Arab forces lacked against Israel.

None of this is Israeli propaganda, its a fact that anybody that follows air warfare would know.

Looks like Egyptians are following the same 'untried and doomed to fail but pray for the best' model that Qatar has embraced for operating multiple 4G jets. And somehow they have cracked a nut that the most advanced Air Forces have not which is to operate multiple types of overlapping but expensive aircraft.

Qatar has money to blow and does it to offset balance of payments. How does Egypt afford it given that recently the financial aid from Gulf countries has dried up. US aid may pay for these F-15s but Egypt still had to fork out (likely more debt) for the $200M Rafales and the SU35s.
And you don't need 4 types of 4G jets to neutralize Libya that has no Air Fore.

 

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Egyptian Army did in operating SAMs. Air Force did zilch. Not a single Israeli jet shot down in air-to-air in either 67 or 73. In fact there is a famous shot of an Egyptian Mig 17 pilot accidentally landing on an Israeli base because pilot got disoriented on his strike mission.

And its not a matter of being outclassed based on equipment. Egyptian's had similar equipment as what Vietnamese had against the US Air Force and so similar adversary as what the Israelis were using.

It does come down to ability, aggressiveness, and tactics with universally not just the Egyptian but all Arab forces lacked against Israel.

None of this is Israeli propaganda, its a fact that anybody that follows air warfare would know.

Looks like Egyptians are following the same 'untried and doomed to fail but pray for the best' model that Qatar has embraced for operating multiple 4G jets. And somehow they have cracked a nut that the most advanced Air Forces have not which is to operate multiple types of overlapping but expensive aircraft.

Qatar has money to blow and does it to offset balance of payments. How does Egypt afford it given that recently the financial aid from Gulf countries has dried up. US aid may pay for these F-15s but Egypt still had to fork out (likely more debt) for the $200M Rafales and the SU35s.
And you don't need 4 types of 4G jets to neutralize Libya that has no Air Fore.

It’s the Israeli claims that state very few losses to the EAF, something highlighted in Lon Nordeen’s “The Phoenix Over the Nile” as the likelihood of IDF/AF crediting Egyptian SAMs with more .
EAF claim AFAIK was somewhere between 60 and 80 of the IAF jets, with over 20 stressed as confirmed by publishings from Helion & Co.
The claim of 60-80 was backed by the Soviet Union.
It’s the IDF/AF’a claim to be stated and globalized first, also forwarded by Shlomo Aloni’s books.
Egypt’s GDP has been in a rise with many attributes to the state, indeed: there are reports that Egypt hits the 500 billion USD mark in GDP in 2022, the IMF initially estimated over 400 USD billion in GDP. There is also the USAID.

 

[Zarrar Alvi]

Without modern BVR missiles, all these f15s, f16s, rafales are meaningless. J10C / Block3 thunders with Pl15 any day.

In desi terms it's like Land cruiser installed with a 9MM Pistol Vs a City equipped with RPGs and SMGs, Grenade launchers etc

 

[EAGLE777]

Don't buy all the Israeli propaganda. Egyptian military performed admirably in 1973. If they had better AC at the time, Israel would not exist today. That's why USA wont give EAF anything with good BVR.

if my aunt had a d she would be my uncle

 

[MMM-E]

Still i am happy that we don't have dumb officers in our Air Force. Basicly Egypt airforce does have 3 different fighters from 3 countries for now. Ad F15 means a lot of maintain challenge, F15 will be a expensive fighter to maintain. What will ad F15 to ther air force when you have Rafale, twin engine fighters?

without USA , Turkish Airforce is nothing

outdated F-4s , old F-16s ( if embargo on spare parts , then ruined )
no F-35
no F-16V

dumb officers/politicans made Turkish Air Force as deeply dependent on USA
even Turkiye spent around $100 billion for humanitarian aid to muslim countries in the last 15 years .... dont say no money

in 2000s , Turkiye would buy Eurofighter from Europe to work with F-16s
now Turkiye is begging USA to sell F-35 , F-16V
and USA plays F-16 / F-35 card to ask Turkiye for endless concessions in Syria , in the Eastern Mediterranean , etc



Turkish Airforce has only American Jets ( what a mistake to depend on one country )

Greece = American F-16 , French Mirage-2000 and Rafale
Egypt = American F-16 , F-15 too , French Rafale , Russian MIG-29M2
S.Arabia = American F-15 , European Eurofighter Typhoon

even The UAE American F-16 and buys 80 Rafales from France and Arabs said to Americans go to hell with your F-35s


It will likely be at least 15 years until Turkiye can field the TFX fleets
only 230 F-16s until 2035

 

[Hydration]

you dont even have 100km range missiles right now.

r-77m r-37m
at the very least do a quick google search before wearing your keyboard warrior costume

 

[Zibago]

making an offer & actually making a sale happen are two different things

Defence deals take years to take shape but even an offer is a start
The Saudis are looking for alternative sources already for their drones

Chinese and Saudi firms create joint venture to make military drones in the kingdom

Advanced Communications and Electronics Systems Co. signed an agreement with China Electronics Technology Group Corp., with the two companies announcing their tie-up during the World Defense Show in Riyadh.

www.defensenews.com

Maybe within this decade FC-31 could make its mark in countries that have a complicated relationship with USA

Kitna paisa hai bhai inke paas.. Amazing. On buying spree for years now.

On paper their defence budget is like 8 billion dollars I really doubt that figure now

 

[Hydration]

Ignore the nationalists here. They are always making tall claims with little proof and put down especially Arab militaries. As a Pakistani I wish the best for my Egyptian brothers in their defence. I’m sure Egyptian airforce isn’t stupid and knows what it’s doing. These guys were raising questions why Pakistan bought J-10C and didn’t go full JF-17. Our air forces are professional and surely know what their doing!

ive only seen such illy backed comments from pakistanis and i dont know why
Anyway good luck pakistan

 

[LeGenD]

Egypt likely to get F-15s: CENTCOM chief - Breaking Defense

The general's comments come ahead of the standard public notifications associated with foreign military sales.

breakingdefense.com

US to supply F-15s to Egypt

The United States is to supply Boeing F-15 Eagle combat aircraft to Egypt, a senior Department of Defense (DoD) official said on 15 March.

www.janes.com

Although Gen McKenzie provided no further details, the aircraft are likely to be the latest Advanced Eagle variant that has previously been sold to Saudi Arabia as the F-15SA, to Qatar as the F-15QA, and to the US Air Force (USAF) as the F-15EX, and which was recently approved for sale to Indonesia as the F-15ID.

Incredible if true.

 

[EAGLE777]

without USA , Turkish Airforce is nothing

outdated F-4s , old F-16s ( if embargo on spare parts , then ruined )
no F-35
no F-16V

dumb officers/politicans made Turkish Air Force as deeply dependent on USA
even Turkiye spent around $100 billion for humanitarian aid to muslim countries in the last 15 years .... dont say no money

in 2000s , Turkiye would buy Eurofighter from Europe to work with F-16s
now Turkiye is begging USA to sell F-35 , F-16V
and USA plays F-16 / F-35 card to ask Turkiye for endless concessions in Syria , in the Eastern Mediterranean , etc



Turkish Airforce has only American Jets ( what a mistake to depend on one country )

Greece = American F-16 , French Mirage-2000 and Rafale
Egypt = American F-16 , F-15 too , French Rafale , Russian MIG-29M2
S.Arabia = American F-15 , European Eurofighter Typhoon

even The UAE American F-16 and buys 80 Rafales from France and Arabs said to Americans go to hell with your F-35s


It will likely be at least 15 years until Turkiye can field the TFX fleets
only 230 F-16s until 2035

welcome back Commander!

egypt just like iran is a papertiger smh

 

[MMM-E]

welcome back Commander!

egypt just like iran is a papertiger smh

Ottoman Empire also was asleep and did nothing for military modernization
RESULT : in 1830s Egyptian Forces with most modern British and French weapons entered Anatolia


USA-France are arming Egypt and Greece against Turkiye
Egypt buys tons of weapons since 2013

MIG-29M2 Jets armed with supersonic anti-ship missiles to hit Turkish Navy
RAFALE Fighter Jets could beat Turkish F-16s in dogfight
SU-35 or F-15 are very lethal platforms against Turkish F-16s

also Egyptian Air Force has 200 F-16s .....

what about Turkish Air Force ? garbage F-4s and incapable F-16s against F-15 , SU-35 and Rafale

no 100 F-35A to Turkiye
even no 40 new F-16V to Turkiye
USA doesnt sell even pistol to Turkiye since 2013

USA is turning Turkish Air Force into another İranian Air Force

 

[EAGLE777]

Ottoman Empire also was asleep and did nothing for military modernization
RESULT : in 1830s Egyptian Forces with most modern British and French weapons entered Anatolia


USA-France are arming Egypt and Greece against Turkiye
Egypt buys tons of weapons since 2013

MIG-29M2 Jets armed with supersonic anti-ship missiles to hit Turkish Navy
RAFALE Fighter Jets could beat Turkish F-16s in dogfight
SU-35 or F-15 are very lethal platforms against Turkish F-16s

also Egyptian Air Force has 200 F-16s .....

what about Turkish Air Force ? garbage F-4s and incapable F-16s against F-15 , SU-35 and Rafale

no 100 F-35A to Turkiye
even no 40 new F-16V to Turkiye
USA doesnt sell even pistol to Turkiye since 2013

USA is turning Turkish Air Force into another İranian Air Force

only realistic option is Turkish defence industry but developping a fighter jet on par with state of the art ones is not easy

 

[MMM-E]

only realistic option is Turkish defence industry but developping a fighter jet on par with state of the art ones is not easy

yes to wait for the TFX until 2035
also to focus on MIUS

MIUS is only realistic option in short time
MIUS is unmanned Fighter Jet will be able to fight against the highest capacity Fighter Jets in air combat through its advantages of unmanned combat and possessing the same advanced characteristics as 5th-generation stealth Fighters

 

[GiantPanda]

On paper, the Egyptian Air Force looks pretty powerful:

* 218 F-16s
* 24 Rafales (30 on order)
* 17 SU-35s

(Also 119 K-8s!)

No BVR? There must be a few R-77s with the SU-35s and why would Rafales not come with BVR?