Egypt likely to get F-15s: CENTCOM chief

[MMM-E]

On paper, the Egyptian Air Force looks pretty powerful:

* 218 F-16s
* 24 Rafales (30 on order)
* 17 SU-35s

(Also 119 K-8s!)

No BVR? There must be a few R-77s with the SU-35s and why would Rafales not come with BVR?

also 48 MIG-29M2

USA-France dont give BVRs to Egypt , because security of İsrael

also Egyptian F-16s lacks land attack Cruise Missiles
Rafales lacks SCALP Cruise Missile as well as

 

[Irfan Baloch]

lol

downgrade with no BVR missile, better go for Rafael...

wonder what they dont have yet.
hornets?

 

[Khanivore]

Why does Egypt need such a large air force?

Because they want Egypt to do some work on the Horn of Africa.

 

[GiantPanda]

also 48 MIG-29M2

USA-France dont give BVRs to Egypt , because security of İsrael

also Egyptian F-16s lacks land attack Cruise Missiles
Rafales lacks SCALP Cruise Missile as well as

Treated as 2nd class citizen by West. Should really buy Chinese since they've already have Chinese trainers in the K-8.

 

[dBSPL]

Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, KSA, or others... The only way for them to become fully independent in foreign policy is to develop their own flying platforms, the types of ammunition/missiles for these platforms, and the appropriate staffing capability.

 

[TheSolution]

welcome back Commander!

egypt just like iran is a papertiger smh

Egypt has very capable platforms

Not right to compare it to Iran

 

[Avicenna]

Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, KSA, or others... The only way for them to become fully independent in foreign policy is to develop their own flying platforms, the types of ammunition/missiles for these platforms, and the appropriate staffing capability.

The West keeps critical tech to themselves to make others reliant.

Until this is addressed, all others will be at their mercy in some way or another.

In this respect, China has done a remarkable job in the last few decades.

 

[dBSPL]

The West keeps critical tech to themselves to make others reliant.

Until this is addressed, all others will be at their mercy in some way or another.

In this respect, China has done a remarkable job in the last few decades.

Imo, these generalizations are not correct. Both hegemonic structures have things they share and things they will never share.

We have to stand on our own feet. All other policies serve only daily political interests and importing temporary political support from external factors. We have to become independent. Otherwise, you will curse the west today, 50 years later you will curse whoever is the imminent/nearest threat to your country; Nothing will change in your position.

 

[Avicenna]

Imo, these generalizations are not correct. Both hegemonic structures have things they share and things they will never share.

We have to stand on our own feet. All other policies serve only daily political interests and importing temporary political support from external factors. We have to become independent. Otherwise, you will curse the west today, 50 years later you will curse whoever is the imminent/nearest threat to your country; Nothing will change in your position.

When I mentioned China, I meant they did a good job to reduce and in many cases eliminate their reliance on others.

Systematically, through various means over the last few decades.

And look at them now.

China in 2022 versus 1980 and certainly 1950.

A near peer to the US, and Western Europe.

In a similar fashion, Muslim majority nations have to endeavor a similar path.

However, the powers that be will ALWAYS set to sabotage such efforts.

The fact that Turkey is attempting to do this with her defense industry probably makes her a prime target for those forces in the West.

Of course you would know better about this matter.

In terms of other major Muslim majority nations.

The money is there.

I'm not so sure about the will of those running those nations. (both formal leadership and the societal elite)

In regards to Egypt, it would be nice for them to rekindle their aviation industry.

Helwan HA-300 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Gomig-21]

12Cs?

Actually 10 Cs, talking about the C model nothing to do with CFTs. But it's a moot point anyway since the C has been off production line for many years. But it would be the ideal replacement for all the 21s and F7s as the primary interceptor and even airguard. Another 10 EXs and 4 more for trainers.

Anyone who thinks this will be anything more than a maximum of 24 aircraft is not in touch with the way US military aid works. Even the block 52s were limited to that number and that's just the way it is. Amazing how some think the US will give Egypt 140 F 15s for free lol.

More like 30 CFT equipped F-15s of the ones the US is selling to Israel, Qatar, Saudi Arabia - fingers crossed.

The EXs are probably the only model Boeing has set up on the assembly line.

 

[Oublious]

wonder what they dont have yet.
hornets?

You forget EURO Fighter typhoon....




Combat readiness of Egypt Airforce will be doubtful, they crashed 2 new fighters before corona time. Rafale and ther Mig29, it will cost years to master and millions dollar to keep it air worthly. Should not amaze you if they get EF...

 

[Oublious]

could it be...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504083399581085701

I assume that the S-300V systems would be sourced from Egypt in exchange for the F-15 fighters USA agreed to deliver to Egypt.

 

[ARCH٤R]

Rafales lacks SCALP Cruise Missile as well as

There has been leaks from EAF bases of Storm Shadows, including at least one posted by the MoD.

could it be...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504083399581085701

I assume that the S-300V systems would be sourced from Egypt in exchange for the F-15 fighters USA agreed to deliver to Egypt.

I extremely doubt that’s the case, the S-300V is the prime source of Defence against ballistic missiles in Egypt.
Unless we learn of PAC-3s I’d deny any possibility of this happening, that is from where I see it.

Anyone who thinks this will be anything more than a maximum of 24 aircraft is not in touch with the way US military aid works. Even the block 52s were limited to that number and that's just the way it is. Amazing how some think the US will give Egypt 140 F 15s for free lol.

I doubt that Egypt will aquire F-15s through USAID alone, if paid for I do believe it would be possible to have around 40 or even 50 F-15s.

 

[KaiserX]

You are "still" uneducated about these matters which is $1.3 billion in armaments for Egypt and $3 billion for Usrael..

You and a bench of others are spewing a lot of bitterness about this possible deal.. and trying to have others swallow your poisoned thoughts about BVR missiles.. Which Egypt has a ton of them in all its latest air force acquisitions..The F-16 is an old deal and there were reasons not to provide Egypt with the latest BVR for 220 F-16.. that is already an overwhelming air force on its own.. and there was the main fact that Egypt refused to sign the bilateral communications agreement (CISMOA) that protect and regulate the use of sensitive American avionics and communications systems.. for over 30 years.. but now it is different since Egypt signed it in 2018..

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/joint/diplomacy-a-peace/egypt-signs-cismoa-communications-agreement/

What are you trying to prove? That Egypt gets alittle less military aid than stated?

Pure idiotic lunacy coming from you. The AFs of Israel, Turkey, Taiwan, Pakistan and all of Europe flies older MLUd F16s equipped with the AIM-120 yet you somehow claim that Egypt is the exception...

Justifying eygptian F16s not having BVR because they are "Old" then go on to bark about having 220 F16s thus the numbers being a sufficient defence

220 F16s a sufficient defence against whom? Egypts main adversary has always been Israel and a few squadrons of "Old" Israeli F16s with AIM120Ds would swat all 220 egyptian F16s out the sky like flies

Deny it all you like the US/Europe/ Or even Russia would never sell Egypt squat that would remotely give it a competitive equality with Israel forget about competitive advantage. Egypt cant even take on poor old Ethiopia which doesnt even have an airforce.

Each and every paragraph of your post is a mind twist of dumb

 

[Hydration]

What are you trying to prove? That Egypt gets alittle less military aid than stated?

Pure idiotic lunacy coming from you. The AFs of Israel, Turkey, Taiwan, Pakistan and all of Europe flies older MLUd F16s equipped with the AIM-120 yet you somehow claim that Egypt is the exception...

Justifying eygptian F16s not having BVR because they are "Old" then go on to bark about having 220 F16s thus the numbers being a sufficient defence

220 F16s a sufficient defence against whom? Egypts main adversary has always been Israel and a few squadrons of "Old" Israeli F16s with AIM120Ds would swat all 220 egyptian F16s out the sky like flies

Deny it all you like the US/Europe/ Or even Russia would never sell Egypt squat that would remotely give it a competitive equality with Israel forget about competitive advantage. Egypt cant even take on poor old Ethiopia which doesnt even have an airforce.

Each and every paragraph of your post is a mind twist of dumb

if you dont know, israeli lobbies which are payed a fortune are an important factor of israels security these lobbies change the opnion on americas foriegn policy towards israel and its neighbors the mossad also plays a big role in this which saved them from the us response to the sinking of USS liberty back in 67. They threatned officials including Lindon B. Johnson the president of that time by ending their political careers by targetting them in the media and ensuring he would never step a foot inside the white house again so he never took out a proper response. These lobbies play a key role in preventing egypt from getting any advantage over the israelis in tech as it is their biggest threat the years of 1970-1974 were a clear indication to israel that it must concentrate its efforts and it did. As for foreign suppliers, the meteor is a done deal, R-77M and R-37M are already in egypt in large numbers and the F-16 has all of its ordanance and munitions except the AIM-120 and some of those have been bought from germany in secret and most of these munitions are produced locally. For ethiopia, if you think the issue is about the incapability of the EAF in bombing the dam then i would reccomend you do a quick google search about the issue before wearing your keyboard warrior costume, infact there was negotiations 3 days ago about the issue between the 2 sides held in emirates. The current goverment's priority is the economy and peace is a must for an economy to grow effeciently, last thing you want is war and for that to be acheived training and tech is an essential part of making your enemy think a million times before violating your security.