Egypt and Turkey, politically was bad relations but economically excellent.. how about future Military relations..

[Foinikas]

With all due respect your post has nothing to do with what I wrote.



I don't know if you know anything about the defense industry in Arab countries. Reading your post I get the impression that you don't know anything or very little at most. Saudi Arabia has had a ballistic missile program for decades but you claim that they cannot develop a missile? Are you serious? Plenty of Arab countries developed missiles DECADES ago and used them in actual wars. Egypt was a pioner of missile technology in the Muslim world early on as well. Quite an absurd claim.

Never mind, Arabs have all the potential in the world to become a heavyweight in the military sector as they have the money, population, talent, resources etc. What is stopping them is political instability and lack of mutual cooperation which is a well-known thing and their weakness.

If you try to debate him,he will just disregard what you say and keep talking about how Turkish weapons are the best.
It's a waste is time actually.

 

[sami_1]

It is naive to delude some that Turkey's products, such as air defense systems, compare themselves to German products

The Germans, IRIST-SLM, Turkey, cannot compete in the firefighting systems, nor the German radars and passive radars.
It is not possible to compare the fire management systems of a country that begins to develop air defense systems with countries that are ranked among the first in the world. In these systems, the Turkish regime does not have the slightest European interest in it because it is low in level, technology and performance. As for the claims of some Turks, they are from their propaganda for their homeland, but the countries that have air defense systems and 300 air defense batteries 50 years ago, you wouldn't believe cheap propaganda from some ignorant people from the ground up

Coming to another point, the safety is developing new systems from IRIS-TSLm/SLX systems in accordance with Egyptian requirements until the latest developments

IRIS-T-HYDEF Due to Samar's request to increase the capacity to a range of 150 kilometers and to counter the hypersonic missiles, the Germans are developing according to the requirements of Samar and their patriotism as well, as Egypt is Germany's largest customer in these superior systems globally.

Moving to another point, the Turks obtained from China the M20 and WS-1B missiles
Therefore, Turkish products are Chinese, so why does Egypt turn to Turkey?
The Egyptians obtained the WS-2D missile, both with a direct gun and the next batch, local production and in large numbers with a license from China

Egypt has a new project to replace 312 platforms BM-21/BM-11
Egypt decided to replace them with new systems. The Egyptian choice fell on the ASTROS II MK6 system, but with a large expansion even from the Brazilian systems that provided the launch of cruise missiles with a range of more than 300 km, as well as FOG-MPM missiles with optical fibers with a range of 60 km
And also copies of coastal defense by flying anti-ship guided missiles fired from the same Brazilian platforms

Also, what is new is the derivation of an air defense system from ASTROS systems, using the same platforms, but with other air defense missiles, fire management systems, and advanced radars that developed between Brazil and Egypt. Others have the same ability, not even the level of future development they have, i.e. simply a revolutionary system was chosen and with a revolutionary thought to expand its roles

What the Brazilians are offering to Egypt is more than what they can dream of that the Turks would like to offer, as Egypt wants to produce a new missile to replace the TOW.
It is the MSS 1.2 missile after re-design and development to face the tanks of the future

The Brazilians want to establish an industrial zone in Egypt
Rather, they presented Egypt with an attractive offer in the field of manufacturing the KC-390 plane locally


Embraer предложила ВВС Египта транспорт-заправщик KC-390 «Миллениум»
ЦАМТО, 21 июня. Бразильская компания Embraer передала ВВС Египта предложение по поставке многоцелевого транспорта-заправщика KC-390 «Миллениум» в рамках соглашения, предусматривающего передачу (включая взаимозачет) некоторых технологий.
Как сообщает Defensa.com, в случае успеха, соглашение с Embraer может расстроить договоренность о закупке 12 военно-транспортных самолетов C-130J-30 «Супер Геркулес» американской Lockheed Martin (сделка была одобрена Госдепартаментом США в январе).
Embraer представила Каиру свое предложение после подписания Бразилией и Египтом соглашения о сотрудничестве и передаче военных технологий.
Как отмечается, KC-390, помимо конкурентоспособной стоимости, имеет более высокую грузоподъемность в 26 т по сравнению с 20 т у C-130J-30. Бразильский самолет способен выполнять дозаправку в воздухе и транспортировать 34 т топлива, а также взлетать и садиться на короткие неподготовленные взлетно-посадочные полосы.
Издание напоминает, что делегация бразильской оборонной промышленности в мае совершила турне на борту KC-390 по нескольким арабским странам, включая Египет и Марокко, в ходе которого была обсуждена возможность подписания соглашений в военной сфере.
На данный момент Марокко, Тунис, Алжир и Египет уже закупили или планируют обновление устаревшего парка военно-транспортных самолетов путем покупки новых C-130J «Супер Геркулес». Бразильская компания Embraer параллельно ведет переговоры со всеми этими странами.

https://armstrade.org/includes/periodics/news/2022/0621/121568153/detail.shtml

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Embraer offered the Egyptian Air Force the KC-390 Millennium tanker transport
TSAMTO, June 21. The Brazilian company Embraer has submitted to the Egyptian Air Force a proposal for the supply of the KC-390 Millennium multipurpose tanker transport under an agreement providing for the transfer (including offsetting) of certain technologies.

As reported by Defensa.com, if successful, the agreement with Embraer could upset the agreement on the purchase of 12 C-130J-30 Super Hercules military transport aircraft of the American Lockheed Martin (the deal was approved by the US State Department in January).

Embraer submitted its proposal to Cairo following the signing of an agreement on cooperation and transfer of military technologies by Brazil and Egypt.

As noted, the KC-390, in addition to a competitive cost, has a higher payload of 26 tons compared to 20 tons for the C-130J-30. The Brazilian aircraft is capable of air refueling and transporting 34 tons of fuel, as well as taking off and landing on short unprepared runways.

The publication recalls that a delegation of the Brazilian defense industry in May made a tour aboard a KC-390 to several Arab countries, including Egypt and Morocco, during which the possibility of signing agreements in the military sphere was discussed.

At the moment, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria and Egypt have already purchased or are planning to upgrade their outdated fleet of military transport aircraft through the purchase of new C-130J Super Hercules. The Brazilian company Embraer is in parallel negotiating with all these countries.

Who dreams dreams and speaks who speaks, but Egypt will not establish correct relations with Erdogan’s regime until after his fall and the assumption of Meral Akşener to rule Turkey, which will focus on the Turkish interior only and not dreams of marketing it and stealing peoples and countries. Egypt does not forget its enmity

We leave the topic to the Turkish teenager, dreams and delusions

 

[MMM-E]

I don't know if you know anything about the defense industry in Arab countries. Reading your post I get the impression that you don't know anything or very little at most. Saudi Arabia has had a ballistic missile program for decades but you claim that they cannot develop a missile? Are you serious? Plenty of Arab countries developed missiles DECADES ago and used them in actual wars. Egypt was a pioner of missile technology in the Muslim world early on as well. Quite an absurd claim.

I am very well know about Egypt and KSA

KSA takes Ballistic Missile technology from China

but now Egypt and KSA have NO even their own anti-Tank Missile , Cruise Missile , Anti-Ship Missile

even I am not talking about
-- GaN based AESA Radar technology
-- Ramjet powered A2A Missile
-- High altitude Long Range Air Defense System


Egypt and KSA needs 50 years to match with Turkish Defense Industry

 

[Hydration]

If you try to debate him,he will just disregard what you say and keep talking about how Turkish weapons are the best.
It's a waste is time actually.

Follow your own advice

 

[MMM-E]

Never mind, Arabs have all the potential in the world to become a heavyweight in the military sector as they have the money, population, talent, resources etc. What is stopping them is political instability and lack of mutual cooperation which is a well-known thing and their weakness.

only 3 projects that Egypt-KSA needs 15 years to develop



Aselsan Infrared quantum Photodetectors ....... ( only The US,Israel,France,Turkiye in the world )
-- HgCdTe
-- QWIP
-- InSb
-- InGaAs

Aselsan IFF Mod5/S long range (friend or foe) Identification System ( only 7 countries in the World )

-- Long range operability ( 250 nm / 463 km )
-- Lethal interrogation capability

Aselsan ASELPOD Targeting Pod ( only USA,İsrael,Turkiye,France,Russia,China in the World )

 

[Hydration]

With the enormous wealth at the disposal of Arabs, their huge population, resources and potential, they should really be working towards some kind of pan-Arab defense cooperation. There is really no sane argument against such policies or excuse for it and I don't understand why this has not been pursued already. We see some cooperation between KSA, Egypt and UAE but this should expand and include most Arab states IMO. Only way towards genuine independence.

I am sorry to say it but the Arab leaders have failed to pursue any pan-Arab visions. For instance what stops the Arab League from turning into an EU-like organization rather than the current mostly ineffective coffee shop? Pakistan is a textbook of missed opportunities and wasted potential but Arab states are not too far behind considering how much more they have been blessed with. It is a bit of a shame really. I am writing this as a friend of Arabs and a pro-Arab person. So no hostility is meant by it.

You think this was not tried? Sisi revived the idea but got turned down because of Foriegn pressure

 

[Corruptistan]

You think this was not tried? Sisi revived the idea but got turned down because of Foriegn pressure

Yes, I think so. Who but the Arabs themselves is stopping Arabs from genuinely working together? If each Arab country could put aside their political differences and pride, only the sky would be the limit.

Let us assume that this pressure is made by the US (most likely if true) do you really think that the US is holding a pistol in front of ALL Arab countries? What could they do in a worst case scenario to stop a pan-Arab military industrial sector from developing? Carpet bombing the entire Arab world because the Arabs want to develop their own industries? Not even remotely realistic.

Anyway are KSA, UAE, Jordan and Egypt not working together to develop common Arab projects?

 

[MMM-E]

They don't need Turkey or anyone else to develop just cooperation and hard work and investing in their own domestic talents rather than most of their best ones leaving for the West and helping Western military firms.

stop dreaming ..... and wake up

Western Countries never give critical technologies to anyone

Egypt-KSA can not develop even GaN based AESA Radar , Single Crystal blade for Gas turbine Engines in 50 years

first develop even IIR and RF seekers and JP-10 type missile fuel ( only a few countries in the world and Turkiye is one of them )

USA-Europe are milking rich Gulf States ... nothing else

 

[Hydration]

Yes, I think so. Who but the Arabs themselves is stopping Arabs from genuinely working together? If each Arab country could put aside their political differences and pride, only the sky would be the limit.

Let us assume that this pressure is made by the US (most likely if true) do you really think that the US is holding a pistol in front of ALL Arab countries? What could they do in a worst case scenario to stop a pan-Arab military industrial sector from developing? Carpet bombing the entire Arab world because the Arabs want to develop their own industries? Not even remotely realistic.

Anyway are KSA, UAE, Jordan and Egypt not working together to develop common Arab projects?

oh hell yes they are especially the Gulf investments is key which the gulf is living o and the main reason why it was turned down. And the gulf iraq jordan are not seperated and most likely where it will start until the rest stablize.

stop dreaming ..... and wake up

Western Countries never give critical technologies to anyone

Egypt-KSA can not develop even GaN based AESA Radar , Single Crystal blade for Gas turbine Engines in 50 years


USA-Europe are milking rich Gulf States ... nothing else

yeah they give it to turkey because turkey is part of the west and no KSA has been focusing on tot the last 3 years and has gotten to a very advanced level

 

[MMM-E]

yeah they give it to turkey because turkey is part of the west and no KSA has been focusing on tot the last 3 years and has gotten to a very advanced level

USA-Europe doent give even a Pistol to Turkiye

Turkiye itself created national defense industry in 47 years after American arms embargo on Turkiye in 1975

Thanks to Turkish Defense companies TAI , TEI , ASELSAN , HAVELSAN , METEKSAN , ROKETSAN , BAYKAR , STM also TUBITAK-SAGE

 

[MMM-E]

The Germans, IRIST-SLM, Turkey, cannot compete in the firefighting systems, nor the German radars and passive radars.

25 km IRIS-T is nothing to compare with Turkish portable and mobile Air Defense Systems

15 km HISAR-A
25 km HISAR-O
50 km HISAR-RF
70-120 km SIPER


HISAR-A

HISAR-O

HISAR RF

 

[Hydration]

USA-Europe doent give even a Pistol to Turkiye

Turkiye itself created national defense industry in 47 years after American arms embargo on Turkiye in 1975

Thanks to Turkish Defense companies TAI , TEI , ASELSAN , HAVELSAN , METEKSAN , ROKETSAN , BAYKAR , STM also TUBITAK-SAGE

oh yeah they dont give pistols they give ToT of rolls royce engines one of the most advanced engines in the world and an aircraft 3D printer and more behind the desk as components for your drones and aircraft

 

[Foinikas]

Afdal sarou7' fil 3lem,el Meteour,mata saysasil ila Misr? Or are the French not giving it yet?

 

[MMM-E]

oh yeah they dont give pistols they give ToT of rolls royce engines one of the most advanced engines in the world and an aircraft 3D printer and more behind the desk as components for your drones and aircraft

Turkiye has its own technology to develop turboshaft and turbofan Engines TS-1400 , TS-3000 , TF-6000

Turkiye and Rolls Royce joint venture project .. not TOT
( Turkiye has blisk-spool , combustion chamber , single cristal blade technologies for Engines .. only USA,Europe,Turkiye,China ,Russia )


and as of 2022 no any western component on Turkish ANKA , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI UCAVs

TB-3 , ANKA , AKSUNGUR full of indigenous from TEI PD-170 Engine to Aselsan CATS E/O System

only AKINCI UCAV use Ukranian Engine

 

[IblinI]

If you try to debate him,he will just disregard what you say and keep talking about how Turkish weapons are the best.
It's a waste is time actually.

what is the point of mmme trying to be a salesman here on PDF.