Egypt and Turkey, politically was bad relations but economically excellent.. how about future Military relations..

[Hydration]

This thread is about Egypt and Turkiye cooperation on defense industry it is not about Greece. Dont derail the thread and quit bringing up greece in every thread about Turkiye.

Advertisment theres no cooperation negotiations at this current time

Sorry but the turkish industry is well rated overestimating isn't the word to describe it. Some projects/equipments are good and

The only good fields are drones. EW systems are kind of bad like the one destroyed in libya

 

[Oublious]

mme should understand that fonikas is provocate him....

just stop with forum, this is not good for your health...

 

[MMM-E]

The only good fields are drones. EW systems are kind of bad like the one destroyed in libya

You guys really have low knowledge about military

KORAL is not Air Defense System to stop Missiles / Bombs


KORAL is Radar Electronic Warfare System to match with even Italian Destroyer -- LIBYA

only Turkiye and İsrael have this technology in the region

 

[The SC]

First of all, you did not read what I wrote before, and concern the relations of Egypt with the countries of the Mediterranean. Whether you see ghosts is your own business.

And back to my simple position: How can you talk about military cooperation when Egypt has bought new modern weapons from Italy and France?
I would add that Egypt is also a producer of weapons systems such as the ones that Turkey wants to sell to it.

example: Why buy Hisar by Turkey, when Egypt has bought and produces the very best IRIS-T SLM ?

ToT my friend..TOT

Only in the papers, , it is obvious that the turkish program is just photos, after all that's why you requested new F-16V and modernizations kits from the USA.
Egypt wants tried and tested military systems and weapons, not paper like turkish F-16 modernization.
Here you can not repair a simple sheet metal, as shown in the photo of the Turkish F-16, how will someone trust you?

Well at least to get the Turkish AESA radar with GaN technology..

 

[sami_1]

There is no difference between Turkey and Israel for Egypt, the same level of threat and the same level of hostility

The economic field of cooperation is due to the Turkish financing of some Egyptian merchants for commercial deals between them and the Turks through loans that the Turks took from Turkish banks to expand trade and then a second stage towards the Turks to buy natural gas from Egypt recently

Take the reasons for the development of the Egyptian armed forces
Turkey as a source of threat to Egyptian and Arab national security

The Egyptian-European cooperation is due to Egypt's ability to confront the Turks and Turkish ambitions in the eastern Mediterranean
Friendship actually has no place. Turkey's weakness is in the interest of Egypt and the Arab countries, and Egypt's weakness is in the interest of the Turks


It is the Turkish threat to the Ezz Egyptian economic zones in the Mediterranean This is both at the strategic level or at the popular level. There are other reasons for the Turkish presence and its desire to control and occupy the Libyan oil areas to save the economy in Libya. Turkey supports terrorism in order to transfer Libya’s wealth to Turkey. There is smuggling of Libyan oil to Turkey, up to 17 million tons of scrap iron smuggled into Turkey The Central Bank of Libya went through the militias in western Liلاya, but the loss of 400 billion Libyan dollars since 2011 is due to the Turkish looting of these wealth and the creation of terrorist militias there in favor of liquidating and stealing Libya’s financial capabilities.


Turkey and theft of the Euphrates River water, Turkey cut off the rivers’ water from Syria and Iraq and did not abide by any agreements with these countries.

Turkey's ambitions to steal Syrian lands and Turkey's seizure of the Syrian Iskenderun and northern Syria, on the contrary, everyone wants a quagmire for the Turkish forces in northern Syria to break Turkey militarily and economically.
finally

The secret alliance between Turkey, Israel, Turkey and Iran against the Arab countries Turkey was the first to recognize Israel Israel owns percentages of the ownership of Turkish arms manufacturers, and we have previously shown all the Israeli products that Turkey produces with a license, so why cooperate with the Turkish client if we want to go directly to Israel instead of a Turkish mediator, which made countries like Morocco and the UAE turn to the Israeli industry instead of the Turks

Erdogan is the real ISIS leader and the founding tool of ISIS


At the world level, there is a balance even in the field of the military industry between countries of the same category as the Turks. The reason for the development of their military industry is export and the personnel of the field for the private sector, which is not allowed by the military in Egypt. The development of China is the expulsion of the Chinese military from the economic field in China, which will inevitably happen in Egypt in the future.

The level of European products is 100 times better than Turkish, we explain simple examples

The Egyptian Gowind 2500 corvettes are correct, they were assembled in Egypt, but we are better than the Turkish ones Milgam in terms of electronic warfare, the quality and reliability of the weapons and better design , while the reliability of the Turkish systems is unknown

The same thing is the frigate MEKO-200GP has better radar and better electronic warfare systems than Turkey's hands, and the same thing is the level of armament
Which applies to the Egyptian frigates Freem, which Turkey does not have the same
The time factor and the level of technical development are known. The German product, produced in 2020, is different in its specifications, equal to the German product in 2010.

Coming to other points
The AW-129 was offered by Italy to Egypt in 1986, and Samar rejected it, due to its modest level, as an alternative to the Gazelle.
For a long time, the price of the Turkish plane is also higher than the price of a heavy attack plane such as the KA-52

Turkish drones Egypt simply headed to China for other technical and financial reasons

Egypt bought the plane Wing loong 1 at a price of 1 million dollars for the plane, in a deal for 10 planes
Egypt bought the Wong loong 1-D plane at a price of $2 million per plane in a deal for 32 planes
Egypt bought 76 Wing Loong 2 planes at $5 million per plane
The CH-4 plane for electronic warfare and reconnaissance missions at a price of 1 million dollars, excluding reconnaissance and electronic warfare stations

The CH-5 plane was sold for 5 million dollars and was upgraded for a payload of 1400 kg.

Chinese planes are being developed with European and Canadian components

The Turkish T2B plane costs 5 million dollars, of course, its technical level is equivalent to the Wing Loong 2
The ANKA plane is valued at $8 million
The two planes, CH-5/WING LOONG 2, are both better than the ANKA plane, but the success of the Chinese in the widespread leadership led to China investing more in the development of these planes
How much does the Akanci plane cost? Isn't it better,

like the L-15 plane, with a price of less than 15 million dollars? No one is naive

Egypt actually produces more than one domestic model United 40
The wing loong 2 large numbers include local assembly
The transfer of technology and design from the Belarusian to Egypt led to the development of the TEBA 30 aircraft. Basically, the story is related to the development of large quantities of aircraft at a low cost.
The cooperation with China is due to the fact that China has developed engines for unmanned aircraft, higher performance than the Austrian engines and more powerful than currently, which is one of the reasons for the rapid development of the Chinese aircraft, the Wing Loong1E., CH-4C
The Turkish KIZILELMA plane, how much is the price of the Russian Grom . plane?

Its price is lower and its capacity is better, whether its payload or even its ability to develop its level. The same thing is the WJ-700 plane, its price is very low in quantities, in addition to the diversity of Chinese armament.

The Chinese are negotiating with Egypt on the level of development and purity required for the CH-7 aircraft, which can meet the Egyptian demands, as China is its largest customer in the field of drones globally.

 

[Oublious]

There is no difference between Turkey and Israel for Egypt, the same level of threat and the same level of hostility

View attachment 856521
The economic field of cooperation is due to the Turkish financing of some Egyptian merchants for commercial deals between them and the Turks through loans that the Turks took from Turkish banks to expand trade and then a second stage towards the Turks to buy natural gas from Egypt recently

Take the reasons for the development of the Egyptian armed forces
Turkey as a source of threat to Egyptian and Arab national security

The Egyptian-European cooperation is due to Egypt's ability to confront the Turks and Turkish ambitions in the eastern Mediterranean
Friendship actually has no place. Turkey's weakness is in the interest of Egypt and the Arab countries, and Egypt's weakness is in the interest of the Turks


It is the Turkish threat to the Ezz Egyptian economic zones in the Mediterranean This is both at the strategic level or at the popular level. There are other reasons for the Turkish presence and its desire to control and occupy the Libyan oil areas to save the economy in Libya. Turkey supports terrorism in order to transfer Libya’s wealth to Turkey. There is smuggling of Libyan oil to Turkey, up to 17 million tons of scrap iron smuggled into Turkey The Central Bank of Libya went through the militias in western Liلاya, but the loss of 400 billion Libyan dollars since 2011 is due to the Turkish looting of these wealth and the creation of terrorist militias there in favor of liquidating and stealing Libya’s financial capabilities.


Turkey and theft of the Euphrates River water, Turkey cut off the rivers’ water from Syria and Iraq and did not abide by any agreements with these countries.

Turkey's ambitions to steal Syrian lands and Turkey's seizure of the Syrian Iskenderun and northern Syria, on the contrary, everyone wants a quagmire for the Turkish forces in northern Syria to break Turkey militarily and economically.
finally
View attachment 856540
The secret alliance between Turkey, Israel, Turkey and Iran against the Arab countries Turkey was the first to recognize Israel Israel owns percentages of the ownership of Turkish arms manufacturers, and we have previously shown all the Israeli products that Turkey produces with a license, so why cooperate with the Turkish client if we want to go directly to Israel instead of a Turkish mediator, which made countries like Morocco and the UAE turn to the Israeli industry instead of the Turks
View attachment 856515
Erdogan is the real ISIS leader and the founding tool of ISIS


At the world level, there is a balance even in the field of the military industry between countries of the same category as the Turks. The reason for the development of their military industry is export and the personnel of the field for the private sector, which is not allowed by the military in Egypt. The development of China is the expulsion of the Chinese military from the economic field in China, which will inevitably happen in Egypt in the future.

The level of European products is 100 times better than Turkish, we explain simple examples

The Egyptian Gowind 2500 corvettes are correct, they were assembled in Egypt, but we are better than the Turkish ones Milgam in terms of electronic warfare, the quality and reliability of the weapons and better design , while the reliability of the Turkish systems is unknown

The same thing is the frigate MEKO-200GP has better radar and better electronic warfare systems than Turkey's hands, and the same thing is the level of armament
Which applies to the Egyptian frigates Freem, which Turkey does not have the same
The time factor and the level of technical development are known. The German product, produced in 2020, is different in its specifications, equal to the German product in 2010.

Coming to other points
The AW-129 was offered by Italy to Egypt in 1986, and Samar rejected it, due to its modest level, as an alternative to the Gazelle.
For a long time, the price of the Turkish plane is also higher than the price of a heavy attack plane such as the KA-52

Turkish drones Egypt simply headed to China for other technical and financial reasons

Egypt bought the plane Wing loong 1 at a price of 1 million dollars for the plane, in a deal for 10 planes
Egypt bought the Wong loong 1-D plane at a price of $2 million per plane in a deal for 32 planes
Egypt bought 76 Wing Loong 2 planes at $5 million per plane
The CH-4 plane for electronic warfare and reconnaissance missions at a price of 1 million dollars, excluding reconnaissance and electronic warfare stations

The CH-5 plane was sold for 5 million dollars and was upgraded for a payload of 1400 kg.

Chinese planes are being developed with European and Canadian components

The Turkish T2B plane costs 5 million dollars, of course, its technical level is equivalent to the Wing Loong 2
The ANKA plane is valued at $8 million
The two planes, CH-5/WING LOONG 2, are both better than the ANKA plane, but the success of the Chinese in the widespread leadership led to China investing more in the development of these planes
How much does the Akanci plane cost? Isn't it better,

like the L-15 plane, with a price of less than 15 million dollars? No one is naive

Egypt actually produces more than one domestic model United 40
The wing loong 2 large numbers include local assembly
The transfer of technology and design from the Belarusian to Egypt led to the development of the TEBA 30 aircraft. Basically, the story is related to the development of large quantities of aircraft at a low cost.
The cooperation with China is due to the fact that China has developed engines for unmanned aircraft, higher performance than the Austrian engines and more powerful than currently, which is one of the reasons for the rapid development of the Chinese aircraft, the Wing Loong1E., CH-4C
The Turkish KIZILELMA plane, how much is the price of the Russian Grom . plane?

View attachment 856528
Its price is lower and its capacity is better, whether its payload or even its ability to develop its level. The same thing is the WJ-700 plane, its price is very low in quantities, in addition to the diversity of Chinese armament.

The Chinese are negotiating with Egypt on the level of development and purity required for the CH-7 aircraft, which can meet the Egyptian demands, as China is its largest customer in the field of drones globally.

what a bs post....

 

[MMM-E]

There is no difference between Turkey and Israel for Egypt, the same level of threat and the same level of hostility

View attachment 856521
The economic field of cooperation is due to the Turkish financing of some Egyptian merchants for commercial deals between them and the Turks through loans that the Turks took from Turkish banks to expand trade and then a second stage towards the Turks to buy natural gas from Egypt recently

Take the reasons for the development of the Egyptian armed forces
Turkey as a source of threat to Egyptian and Arab national security

The Egyptian-European cooperation is due to Egypt's ability to confront the Turks and Turkish ambitions in the eastern Mediterranean
Friendship actually has no place. Turkey's weakness is in the interest of Egypt and the Arab countries, and Egypt's weakness is in the interest of the Turks


It is the Turkish threat to the Ezz Egyptian economic zones in the Mediterranean This is both at the strategic level or at the popular level. There are other reasons for the Turkish presence and its desire to control and occupy the Libyan oil areas to save the economy in Libya. Turkey supports terrorism in order to transfer Libya’s wealth to Turkey. There is smuggling of Libyan oil to Turkey, up to 17 million tons of scrap iron smuggled into Turkey The Central Bank of Libya went through the militias in western Liلاya, but the loss of 400 billion Libyan dollars since 2011 is due to the Turkish looting of these wealth and the creation of terrorist militias there in favor of liquidating and stealing Libya’s financial capabilities.


Turkey and theft of the Euphrates River water, Turkey cut off the rivers’ water from Syria and Iraq and did not abide by any agreements with these countries.

Turkey's ambitions to steal Syrian lands and Turkey's seizure of the Syrian Iskenderun and northern Syria, on the contrary, everyone wants a quagmire for the Turkish forces in northern Syria to break Turkey militarily and economically.
finally
View attachment 856540
The secret alliance between Turkey, Israel, Turkey and Iran against the Arab countries Turkey was the first to recognize Israel Israel owns percentages of the ownership of Turkish arms manufacturers, and we have previously shown all the Israeli products that Turkey produces with a license, so why cooperate with the Turkish client if we want to go directly to Israel instead of a Turkish mediator, which made countries like Morocco and the UAE turn to the Israeli industry instead of the Turks
View attachment 856515
Erdogan is the real ISIS leader and the founding tool of ISIS


At the world level, there is a balance even in the field of the military industry between countries of the same category as the Turks. The reason for the development of their military industry is export and the personnel of the field for the private sector, which is not allowed by the military in Egypt. The development of China is the expulsion of the Chinese military from the economic field in China, which will inevitably happen in Egypt in the future.

The level of European products is 100 times better than Turkish, we explain simple examples

The Egyptian Gowind 2500 corvettes are correct, they were assembled in Egypt, but we are better than the Turkish ones Milgam in terms of electronic warfare, the quality and reliability of the weapons and better design , while the reliability of the Turkish systems is unknown

The same thing is the frigate MEKO-200GP has better radar and better electronic warfare systems than Turkey's hands, and the same thing is the level of armament
Which applies to the Egyptian frigates Freem, which Turkey does not have the same
The time factor and the level of technical development are known. The German product, produced in 2020, is different in its specifications, equal to the German product in 2010.

Coming to other points
The AW-129 was offered by Italy to Egypt in 1986, and Samar rejected it, due to its modest level, as an alternative to the Gazelle.
For a long time, the price of the Turkish plane is also higher than the price of a heavy attack plane such as the KA-52

Turkish drones Egypt simply headed to China for other technical and financial reasons

Egypt bought the plane Wing loong 1 at a price of 1 million dollars for the plane, in a deal for 10 planes
Egypt bought the Wong loong 1-D plane at a price of $2 million per plane in a deal for 32 planes
Egypt bought 76 Wing Loong 2 planes at $5 million per plane
The CH-4 plane for electronic warfare and reconnaissance missions at a price of 1 million dollars, excluding reconnaissance and electronic warfare stations

The CH-5 plane was sold for 5 million dollars and was upgraded for a payload of 1400 kg.

Chinese planes are being developed with European and Canadian components

The Turkish T2B plane costs 5 million dollars, of course, its technical level is equivalent to the Wing Loong 2
The ANKA plane is valued at $8 million
The two planes, CH-5/WING LOONG 2, are both better than the ANKA plane, but the success of the Chinese in the widespread leadership led to China investing more in the development of these planes
How much does the Akanci plane cost? Isn't it better,

like the L-15 plane, with a price of less than 15 million dollars? No one is naive

Egypt actually produces more than one domestic model United 40
The wing loong 2 large numbers include local assembly
The transfer of technology and design from the Belarusian to Egypt led to the development of the TEBA 30 aircraft. Basically, the story is related to the development of large quantities of aircraft at a low cost.
The cooperation with China is due to the fact that China has developed engines for unmanned aircraft, higher performance than the Austrian engines and more powerful than currently, which is one of the reasons for the rapid development of the Chinese aircraft, the Wing Loong1E., CH-4C
The Turkish KIZILELMA plane, how much is the price of the Russian Grom . plane?

View attachment 856528
Its price is lower and its capacity is better, whether its payload or even its ability to develop its level. The same thing is the WJ-700 plane, its price is very low in quantities, in addition to the diversity of Chinese armament.

The Chinese are negotiating with Egypt on the level of development and purity required for the CH-7 aircraft, which can meet the Egyptian demands, as China is its largest customer in the field of drones globally.

Full of lies , ignorance , and deflect the facts

what a stupid post

 

[Corruptistan]

While regional cooperation is a benefit it must be said that what Turkey is likely to offer Arab states, the same Arab states can themselves develop now or in the future or get from other countries and partners.

There is also the issue of trust as long as Erdogan is around in the case of Egypt.

Arab states should be pursuing and supporting their own industries not that of any foreign ones. To exchange foreign country x with y makes little difference.

Mutually beneficial cooperation should only occur when there is real exchange of ToT. Like the current Saudi Arabian policy.

Egypt is not small Qatar or Libya with all due respect but a regional power.

In fact Arab countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq (when they become stable again and fulfill their potential), UAE, Algeria, Morocco etc. should be competing against each other in the Arab market.

With the enormous wealth at the disposal of Arabs, their huge population, resources and potential, they should really be working towards some kind of pan-Arab defense cooperation. There is really no sane argument against such policies or excuse for it and I don't understand why this has not been pursued already. We see some cooperation between KSA, Egypt and UAE but this should expand and include most Arab states IMO. Only way towards genuine independence.

I am sorry to say it but the Arab leaders have failed to pursue any pan-Arab visions. For instance what stops the Arab League from turning into an EU-like organization rather than the current mostly ineffective coffee shop? Pakistan is a textbook of missed opportunities and wasted potential but Arab states are not too far behind considering how much more they have been blessed with. It is a bit of a shame really. I am writing this as a friend of Arabs and a pro-Arab person. So no hostility is meant by it.

 

[Foinikas]

There is no difference between Turkey and Israel for Egypt, the same level of threat and the same level of hostility

View attachment 856521
The economic field of cooperation is due to the Turkish financing of some Egyptian merchants for commercial deals between them and the Turks through loans that the Turks took from Turkish banks to expand trade and then a second stage towards the Turks to buy natural gas from Egypt recently

Take the reasons for the development of the Egyptian armed forces
Turkey as a source of threat to Egyptian and Arab national security

The Egyptian-European cooperation is due to Egypt's ability to confront the Turks and Turkish ambitions in the eastern Mediterranean
Friendship actually has no place. Turkey's weakness is in the interest of Egypt and the Arab countries, and Egypt's weakness is in the interest of the Turks


It is the Turkish threat to the Ezz Egyptian economic zones in the Mediterranean This is both at the strategic level or at the popular level. There are other reasons for the Turkish presence and its desire to control and occupy the Libyan oil areas to save the economy in Libya. Turkey supports terrorism in order to transfer Libya’s wealth to Turkey. There is smuggling of Libyan oil to Turkey, up to 17 million tons of scrap iron smuggled into Turkey The Central Bank of Libya went through the militias in western Liلاya, but the loss of 400 billion Libyan dollars since 2011 is due to the Turkish looting of these wealth and the creation of terrorist militias there in favor of liquidating and stealing Libya’s financial capabilities.


Turkey and theft of the Euphrates River water, Turkey cut off the rivers’ water from Syria and Iraq and did not abide by any agreements with these countries.

Turkey's ambitions to steal Syrian lands and Turkey's seizure of the Syrian Iskenderun and northern Syria, on the contrary, everyone wants a quagmire for the Turkish forces in northern Syria to break Turkey militarily and economically.
finally
View attachment 856540
The secret alliance between Turkey, Israel, Turkey and Iran against the Arab countries Turkey was the first to recognize Israel Israel owns percentages of the ownership of Turkish arms manufacturers, and we have previously shown all the Israeli products that Turkey produces with a license, so why cooperate with the Turkish client if we want to go directly to Israel instead of a Turkish mediator, which made countries like Morocco and the UAE turn to the Israeli industry instead of the Turks
View attachment 856515
Erdogan is the real ISIS leader and the founding tool of ISIS


At the world level, there is a balance even in the field of the military industry between countries of the same category as the Turks. The reason for the development of their military industry is export and the personnel of the field for the private sector, which is not allowed by the military in Egypt. The development of China is the expulsion of the Chinese military from the economic field in China, which will inevitably happen in Egypt in the future.

The level of European products is 100 times better than Turkish, we explain simple examples

The Egyptian Gowind 2500 corvettes are correct, they were assembled in Egypt, but we are better than the Turkish ones Milgam in terms of electronic warfare, the quality and reliability of the weapons and better design , while the reliability of the Turkish systems is unknown

The same thing is the frigate MEKO-200GP has better radar and better electronic warfare systems than Turkey's hands, and the same thing is the level of armament
Which applies to the Egyptian frigates Freem, which Turkey does not have the same
The time factor and the level of technical development are known. The German product, produced in 2020, is different in its specifications, equal to the German product in 2010.

Coming to other points
The AW-129 was offered by Italy to Egypt in 1986, and Samar rejected it, due to its modest level, as an alternative to the Gazelle.
For a long time, the price of the Turkish plane is also higher than the price of a heavy attack plane such as the KA-52

Turkish drones Egypt simply headed to China for other technical and financial reasons

Egypt bought the plane Wing loong 1 at a price of 1 million dollars for the plane, in a deal for 10 planes
Egypt bought the Wong loong 1-D plane at a price of $2 million per plane in a deal for 32 planes
Egypt bought 76 Wing Loong 2 planes at $5 million per plane
The CH-4 plane for electronic warfare and reconnaissance missions at a price of 1 million dollars, excluding reconnaissance and electronic warfare stations

The CH-5 plane was sold for 5 million dollars and was upgraded for a payload of 1400 kg.

Chinese planes are being developed with European and Canadian components

The Turkish T2B plane costs 5 million dollars, of course, its technical level is equivalent to the Wing Loong 2
The ANKA plane is valued at $8 million
The two planes, CH-5/WING LOONG 2, are both better than the ANKA plane, but the success of the Chinese in the widespread leadership led to China investing more in the development of these planes
How much does the Akanci plane cost? Isn't it better,

like the L-15 plane, with a price of less than 15 million dollars? No one is naive

Egypt actually produces more than one domestic model United 40
The wing loong 2 large numbers include local assembly
The transfer of technology and design from the Belarusian to Egypt led to the development of the TEBA 30 aircraft. Basically, the story is related to the development of large quantities of aircraft at a low cost.
The cooperation with China is due to the fact that China has developed engines for unmanned aircraft, higher performance than the Austrian engines and more powerful than currently, which is one of the reasons for the rapid development of the Chinese aircraft, the Wing Loong1E., CH-4C
The Turkish KIZILELMA plane, how much is the price of the Russian Grom . plane?

View attachment 856528
Its price is lower and its capacity is better, whether its payload or even its ability to develop its level. The same thing is the WJ-700 plane, its price is very low in quantities, in addition to the diversity of Chinese armament.

The Chinese are negotiating with Egypt on the level of development and purity required for the CH-7 aircraft, which can meet the Egyptian demands, as China is its largest customer in the field of drones globally.

Great post,man.

 

[MMM-E]

The same thing is the frigate MEKO-200GP has better radar and better electronic warfare systems than Turkey's hands, and the same thing is the level of armament
Which applies to the Egyptian frigates Freem, which Turkey does not have the same

Stop deflect the facts and learn about inferior FREEM Frigate which was bought by Egypt

No Electronic Warfare System
Armed with only 8 x EXOCET anti-ship Missiles with range of 180 km
Armed with only 16 x SAM ... because French SYLVER VLS has no quad pack capability


MEKO-A200 also is not superior to Turkish ISTIF Frigate


on the other hand superior Turkish ISTIF ciass Frigate

Armed with 16 x ATMACA anti-ship Missiles with range of 250 km
Armed with 64 x SAM ... because Turkish MDAS VLS with quad pack capability

400 km Aselsan HAZAR AESA Radar
ASELSAN ALPER LPI Surface Radar
AKREP (AKR-D Block B-1/2) Fire Control Radar
ASELSAN Piri IRST
FERSAH Hull Mounted Sonar
SeaEye-AHTAPOT EO Reconnaisance and Survellience System
Aselsan HIZIR Torpedo counter measure System

Aselsan ARES-2N Electronic Warfare System

Havelsan ADVENT next generation Network Enabled Data Integrated Combat Management System for Cooperative Engagment Capability

 

[MMM-E]

While regional cooperation is a benefit it must be said that what Turkey is likely to offer Arab states, the same Arab states can themselves develop now or in the future or get from other countries and partners.

Arab Countries can not develop that what Turkiye is likely to offer now

maybe in 50 years without TOT .....
and USA-France dont sell even BVR and land attack Cruise Missiles to Egypt for F-16 and Rafale Jets

USA-Europe never will give critical technologies to muslim Arab Countries ...... NEVER


Turkiye has started creating national defense Industry after American arms embargo in 1975
and Turkiye has already defense Industry with over 750 military projects to become one of the best in the world

 

[Corruptistan]

Arab Countries can not develop that what Turkiye is likely to offer now

maybe in 50 years without TOT .....
and USA-France dont sell even BVR and land attack Cruise Missiles to Egypt for F-16 and Rafale Jets

USA-Europe never will give critical technologies to muslim Arab Countries ...... NEVER


Turkiye has started creating national defense Industry after American arms embargo in 1975
and Turkiye has already defense Industry with over 750 military projects

I am not so sure about that. I would give it 10 years at the most in the case of KSA. Egypt has all the potential in the world too. If Arab states worked together in this regard the sky would be the limit.

Anyway I am not even talking about the West, continue the strategic partnership with China, South Korea and others. West/NATO cannot be trusted with strategic projects as history has shown.

Given the enormous wealth of the Arabs, huge population and potential there is no excuse for them not to work together as I wrote. It is a sign of their political failure that a genuine pan-Arab military industry has not yet been developed.

 

[Oublious]

While regional cooperation is a benefit it must be said that what Turkey is likely to offer Arab states, the same Arab states can themselves develop now or in the future or get from other countries and partners.

There is also the issue of trust as long as Erdogan is around in the case of Egypt.

Arab states should be pursuing and supporting their own industries not that of any foreign ones. To exchange foreign country x with y makes little difference.

Mutually beneficial cooperation should only occur when there is real exchange of ToT. Like the current Saudi Arabian policy.

Egypt is not small Qatar or Libya with all due respect but a regional power.

In fact Arab countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq (when they become stable again and fulfill their potential), UAE, Algeria, Morocco etc. should be competing against each other in the Arab market.

With the enormous wealth at the disposal of Arabs, their huge population, resources and potential, they should really be working towards some kind of pan-Arab defense cooperation. There is really no sane argument against such policies or excuse for it and I don't understand why this has not been pursued already. We see some cooperation between KSA, Egypt and UAE but this should expand and include most Arab states IMO. Only way towards genuine independence.

I am sorry to say it but the Arab leaders have failed to pursue any pan-Arab visions. For instance what stops the Arab League from turning into an EU-like organization rather than the current mostly ineffective coffee shop? Pakistan is a textbook of missed opportunities and wasted potential but Arab states are not too far behind considering how much more they have been blessed with. It is a bit of a shame really. I am writing this as a friend of Arabs and a pro-Arab person. So no hostility is meant by it.

they should do it and stop with working with Turkey, they can go ask for ToT making parts and assamble weapons . LoL what i have read in this topic, like we will give our radar technology what we worked past 40 years for to Egypt for cooperation. Arab state should definitly go work with Western countries and see how this ToT deal works with.

Like our Altay tank is derivated from K2 tank story, Egypt and ther M1 tank comparision. The chassis is based on K2 and every mechanic hydraulic parts are not K2. From mission computer to software for ballistic calculator are made by Aselsan. Nobody gives sensitive technology, you can bring 100 billion of dollar you won't get it. Like that drone fiasco of KSA with China, how is the industry going on?

It seems people are getting cocky, i hope ther won't come any agreement with Turkey. Turkish defence industry do not need Middle East countries to sell ther products. Ther are enough countries who want to work with Turkey, let me give a example. Turkish Aselsan made a joinventure with Jordanian company for nightvision, they spread the technology to Arab countries and try to make nightvisions for weapons. Only thing is they are big, non of them have the tecnology for swir sensor technology small size. Go and ask for ToT from everyone in the world cocky guy.... Like they will give you that...

 

[MMM-E]

I am not so sure about that. I would give it 10 years at the most in the case of KSA. Egypt has all the potential in the world too. If Arab states worked together in this regard the sky would be the limit.

10 years ?

Egypt KSA , The Uae can not develop even Missiles , GaN based AESA Radars in 10 years

-- Ramjet powered A2A Missile
-- High altitude Long Range Air Defense System

even I am not talking about Engine technologies , unmanned stealth Fighter Jet , Helicopters , Destroyer , Frigate , Submarine with full of indigenous systems and missiles


Egypt KSA , The Uae have no defense industry to develop 750 military projects
maybe in the 50 years , if they start developing them now

Nobody gives critical technologies to another countries

Turkish Defense Industry has 47 years of experience and still needs more 8-10 years to finish all military projects

 

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they should do it and stop with working with Turkey, they can go ask for ToT making parts and assamble weapons . LoL what i have read in this topic, like we will give our radar technology what we worked past 40 years for to Egypt for cooperation. Arab state should definitly go work with Western countries and see how this ToT deal works with.

Like our Altay tank is derivated from K2 tank story, Egypt and ther M1 tank comparision. The chassis is based on K2 and every mechanic hydraulic parts are not K2. From mission computer to software for ballistic calculator are made by Aselsan. Nobody gives sensitive technology, you can bring 100 billion of dollar you won't get it. Like that drone fiasco of KSA with China, how is the industry going on?

It seems people are getting cocky, i hope ther won't come any agreement with Turkey. Turkish defence industry do not need Middle East countries to sell ther products. Ther are enough countries who want to work with Turkey, let me give a example. Turkish Aselsan made a joinventure with Jordanian company for nightvision, they spread the technology to Arab countries and try to make nightvisions for weapons. Only thing is they are big, non of them have the tecnology for swir sensor technology. Go and ask for ToT from everyone in the world cocky guy.... Like they will give you that...

With all due respect your post has nothing to do with what I wrote.

10 years ?

Egypt KSA , The Uae can not develop even Missiles , GaN based AESA Radars in 10 years

-- Ramjet powered A2A Missile
-- High altitude Long Range Air Defense System

even I am not talking about Engine technologies , unmanned stealth Fighter Jet , Helicopters , Destroyer , Frigate , Submarine with full of indigenous systems and missiles


Egypt KSA , The Uae have no defense industry to develop 750 military projects
maybe in 50 years

Turkish Defense Industry has 47 years of experience

I don't know if you know anything about the defense industry in Arab countries. Reading your post I get the impression that you don't know anything or very little at most. Saudi Arabia has had a ballistic missile program for decades but you claim that they cannot develop a missile? Are you serious? Plenty of Arab countries developed missiles DECADES ago and used them in actual wars. Egypt was a pioner of missile technology in the Muslim world early on as well. Quite an absurd claim.

Never mind, Arabs have all the potential in the world to become a heavyweight in the military sector as they have the money, population, talent, resources etc. What is stopping them is political instability and lack of mutual cooperation which is a well-known thing and their weakness.

They don't need Turkey or anyone else to develop just cooperation and hard work and investing in their own domestic talents rather than most of their best ones leaving for the West and helping Western military firms.