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These are effectively null and void.

Here is the real story;

I have already told you, what Ahmadis have to go through is worse than what other religious minorities in Pakistan have to go through. I hope we get to amend our laws on that. But you cannot generalize that to every religious community/minority residing in Pakistan.

Btw, the Ahmadi community isn't looked upon kindly by Indian Muslims either. This is what the highest authority of Indian Muslims had to say about Ahmadis:

(Fatwa 332=307/N)

The Mirzais (Qadyanis, Ahmadiyas) are kafir. This issue is agreed upon by the Muslim Ummah.

These books may be useful: (1) Radd-e-Qadyaniat ke Zarrin Usool (2) Suboot Hazir Hain (3) Muhazarat of Darul Uloom on Qadyanism

Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'ala) knows Best

Darul Ifta,
Darul Uloom Deoband

The discrimination against Ahmadis is not only a Pakistani problem, it's a Muslim problem that exists in the Muslim world. In Saudi Arabia, I believe Ahmadis aren't even allowed to live in their country, they are arrested & deported right away.
 
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Point is where it says in the constitution that there is freedom of religion it’s merely lying. So constitution is not worth more than toilet paper. No point quoting it.
 
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Point is where it says in the constitution that there is freedom of religion it’s merely lying. So constitution is not worth more than toilet paper. No point quoting it.

That's not correct. There is freedom of religion for everyone except Ahmadis. I hope we can give them their rights so they don't have to face the injustices they do.
 
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That's not correct. There is freedom of religion for everyone except Ahmadis. I hope we can give them their rights so they don't have to face the injustices they do.

You obviously don’t understand what is a constitution. If it says you have a right then you have the right. If you don't have the right then its not a constitution it’s a joke and Pakistani constitution is a joke to say the least.
 
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You obviously don’t understand what is a constitution.

Learn how to make a proper sentence first before explaining to me what a constitution is.

If it says you have a right you have a right. However Pakistani constitution is a joke to say the least.

What the constitution says is that people have freedom of religion. But there was a separate ordinance passed against Ahmadis. There is a US constitution as well, but then there were Acts such as the Patriot Act passed in this country as well that were not in accordance to the US constitution. The War Powers Resolution was enacted in the US as well that went against the US constitution.
 
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That's because the constitution is a joke. It doesn’t mean what it says. Constitutions are not arbitrary otherwise they are not constitutions. That’s why its called constitution.

If you follow the constitution only when you feel like it then it’s not a constitution. Call it something else but not constitution.
 
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Mr. Yaqoob:


we have our fair share of arseholes who only profit and aim to destabilize our country through dividing our people. Our greatest asset is our people --especially our young population. Those who aim to fragment our people, divide people on ethnic or religious lines --they are basically the #1 enemy of the country.

so don't allow your opinion to be "molded" by degenerate bastards with such nefarious aims....allow your opinion to be "molded" by people like myself --and a good majority (sometimes a silent one, unfortunately) who value all Pakistanis as equals.


I'm happy to see that Christian community has given tremendously and contributed a lot towards Pakistan --in different fields (including the military and judicial system, commerce, and even sports)


you're a fellow Pakistani --so as far as i'm concerned it's all that matters.

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You obviously don’t understand what is a constitution. If it says you have a right then you have the right. If you don't have the right then its not a constitution it’s a joke and Pakistani constitution is a joke to say the least.

it's wrong to say "it's a joke" --that's almost like a slap on your country no?

we should simply ask -- "which Constitution??" It's been meddled with and amended so many times by self-serving people calling themselves leaders
 
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Honour killing: Man kills sister over suspicion

QUETTA: A man gunned down his sister and another man, on suspicion of illicit relations between the two, in the Usta Mohammad area of Jaffarabad, police said on Saturday.
According to the police, the accused Imtiaz Ahmed killed his sister and another man identified as Raja.
Police rushed to the spot and shifted the bodies to a local hospital for autopsy.
The accused managed to escape from the scene after committing the crime. The dead bodies were handed over to the relatives for burial.
A case has been registered and an investigation is underway. Police have also launched a manhunt in the area.

Honour killing: Man kills sister over suspicion – The Express Tribune

shamefull :tdown:

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Professors, lecturers protest teacher’s killing

QUETTA:
Academics condemned the targeted killing of their fellow Mohammad Danish, who was shot dead by unidentified assailants near his residence in Nawa Killi on Tuesday.
In a memorial held at Balochistan University’s auditorium on Friday, senior professors and lecturers paid tribute to the slain lecturer, who served for seven years at the science and information technology department.
Five lecturers and professors had been killed in incidents of targeted killing since 2008, said Kaleemullah Badech, president of the Academic Staff Association Balochistan.
“Teachers are being targeted frequently with no investigation,” Badech said, adding that “law enforcement agencies have failed to curb the menace of targeted killing.”
“We hold the government and its functionaries responsible for these killings since they have failed to arrest a single suspect behind these killings,” he said.
Professor Saba Dashtiari was shot dead on Saryab earlier this year, Badech said, adding that other victims include pro-vice chancellor Professor Safdar Kyani, lecturer of media and journalism department Nazima Talib and professor library and sciences department Khurshed Ansar.

Professors, lecturers protest teacher
 
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TORONTO (CCN)--Fear has silenced the voice of Pakistani Christians since the political murder of Shahbaz Bhatti last spring, said the retired archbishop of Lahore.

“People are very sad, very bitter. They said, ‘If that happens to him what happens to us?’” Archbishop Lawrence Saldanha said.

Bhatti’s killers remain at large. The convicted murderer of former Punjab Province governor Salman Taseer was greeted in court with rose petals and garlands. In an atmosphere of impunity for anyone who kills a Christian, educated Pakistani Christians are getting out of the country. Those who remain are keeping their heads down and their mouths shut, said Archbishop Saldanha.

“In such a situation, minorities don’t have much place. There’s no tolerance for other religions,” he said. “Either you convert or you leave. This is the choice.”

Archbishop Saldanha moved to Toronto in early November, joining his extended family in the city’s east end, where he hopes to involve himself locally in parish ministry.

Bhatti was Pakistan’s minister responsible for minorities. He was killed March 2. Taseer was murdered by his own bodyguard Jan. 4. Both men spoke publicly against Pakistan’s blasphemy laws.

Waves of suicide bombings, targeted killings and death threats against Christians have human rights campaigners and staff for the Pakistan bishops’ justice and peace commission keeping their statements low key and their names out of the papers. Even educated Muslims in Pakistan’s big cities have turned against the country’s religious minorities.

“The mentality is changing, especially among the middle class and lower middle class,” said Archbishop Saldanha, who headed up the justice and peace commission over the past 10 years. “They are being Talibanized.”

For the last year, Lahore’s Sacred Heart Cathedral has been guarded by three sharpshooters in concrete guard posts erected on either side of the compound entrance and next to the parish hall. Concrete barriers have been placed at the entrance and around the bishop’s house to slow down drivers and minimize the possibility of a suicide bomber getting close to the church.

But despite the risks Christians face, “the churches are packed,” said Archbishop Saldanha.

“They need to turn to God for any kind of help,” he said. “People are very adaptable, very resilient. They accept and go with the flow. They remain happy and active. They come to the church and fill up the church. They feel they get some consolation from that.”

But if they can get out, Pakistani Christians are heading for Canada, Australia and England, said the archbishop. It’s left the archdiocese with a shortage of qualified lay people to run schools, hospitals and other institutions. In some cases religious sisters have been able to step in, but in many cases schools lack principals and qualified teachers.

“We are left with the mass of very poor, uneducated people,” Archbishop Saldanha said.

There are 1.4 million Catholics and another million Protestants among Pakistan’s population of 177 million. Officially an Islamic republic since 1956, Pakistan was split from India when they became indepentent from the U.K. in 1947 to provide a homeland for Muslims in the Indian subcontinent. More than 60 years later the country faces enormous challenges, said Archbishop Saldanha.

Archbishop Saldanha was ordained a bishop and took over the archdiocese of Lahore Sept. 11, 2001, the day of the terrorist attacks on the United States.

“That sort of marked the tone of my episcopal ministry after that,” said Saldhana.

As a doctoral candidate in systematic theology at the Pontifical Urbaniana University in Rome, Archbishop Saldanha was a first-hand witness to the Second Vatican Council. As a priest in Pakistan he edited a Catholic newspaper, ran Caritas Pakistan, was rector of Christ the King Seminary, established a radio service and headed up the social communications commission for Pakistan’s bishops.

Over 50 years as a priest, Archbishop Saldanha has seen his country slide from corrupt oligarchy to military rule to mob rule.

“Everything is a big mess there — economically, socially, religiously,” he said.

While in theory democracy should create a better environment for minorities, majority rule in Pakistan right now would be a disaster for the Christians, according to Saldhana.

“The majority are pro-Islamic and they will vote for strict Islam,” he said. “If you have democracy, Islam will surely win, especially in the north.”

Already at the mercy of trumped up blasphemy charges, Christians under a strict form or sharia law would be practically erased from the public life of the nation, said Archbishop Saldanha.

“It’s not really democracy. They have hardly any legislation at all. The president and the prime minister call all the shots, without any reference to parliament.”

The B.C. Catholic Paper - Christians live in fear in

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Regarding Human Rights of Its Minorities, Pakistan is a Failed State

The country is officially called “The Islamic Republic of Pakistan.” It has a population of over 132.35 million, of whom 95% are Muslims and 5% are Christians, Hindus and other minorities.

It’s tragic but true that Pakistan today is a prime example of infamous “Blasphemy Laws” which have been causing widespread persecution among the minority groups in the name of Islam. The minorities are hostages in the hands of some religious extremists who use the blasphemy laws to settle scores with their rivals or competitors, to take revenge on someone, or to outright grab lands of minorities.

Many politicians, judges and law enforcement personnel, to keep their positions intact, allow themselves to be used as toys in the hands of the radical Islamists.

The greatness of a nation is proven by how it treats its own minorities. Pakistan has miserably failed in this respect. An Islamic republic is supposed to follow the real Islam and protect the rights of minorities, but, in reality, Pakistan is failing in this regard.

The western democratic countries, in general, are keeping mum on this matter to receive the support of Pakistan in their fight against terrorism. Their deafening silence is going against the minorities’ rights in Pakistan.
 
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DUNYAPUR: A group of miscreants desecrated at least 29 graves belonging to the Ahmadiyya Community in Dunyapur district Lodhran in a late-night raid.
Ahmadiyya Community spokesperson Saleemuddin told The Express Tribune that unknown persons entered the community’s graveyard and broke the plaques (katbe) of a large number of their graves. The miscreants also dug out numerous graves before fleeing the area. Only two graves which were constructed from marble were saved from destruction the spokesperson confirmed.
He said that the local representatives of the community have approached the police and submitted their application for legal action but no investigation has been undertaken so far. He said that police officials asked the community to first rebuild their graves, following which the issue would be investigated.
District Police Office Lodhran Agha Muhammad Yusuf while talking to The Express Tribune confirmed that the graveyard had been desecrated, adding that the Dunyapur DSP had been dispatched to look into the matter. He said that he would personally look into the matter after the investigation.
Dunyapur is a tehsil of district Lodhran located about 100 kilometers away from Multan in South Punjab. There are around 15 families belonging to the Ahmadi community in the area, confirmed the Ahmadiyya community spokesperson. According to his account, six months ago, the people of Dunyapur forced the closure of a private school in the district – a school run by a member of the Ahmadi community. He said that citizens in the area took to the streets and forcibly closed the school in which many Muslim children were receiving their education free of cost.
The community spokesperson called on the government to take action against the culprits, as it was feared that those who could force the closure of schools and desecrate graves may next take over the business and properties of the Ahmadi community in Dunaypur.
The Ahmadi graveyard that was desecrated was established in 1976 at the outskirts of the city, but according to Saleemuddin, the graveyard has been in existence for at least 80 years. He said that incidents of desecrating graves of the Ahmadi community had increased over the last few months. He said that till now, a total of 30 incidents of dug out graves have been recorded in the country.

29 graves of Ahmadi community desecrated – The Express Tribune
 
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29 graves of Ahmadi community desecrated

DUNYAPUR: A group of miscreants desecrated at least 29 graves belonging to the Ahmadiyya Community in Dunyapur district Lodhran in a late-night raid.

Ahmadiyya Community spokesperson Saleemuddin told The Express Tribune that unknown persons entered the community’s graveyard and broke the plaques (katbe) of a large number of their graves. The miscreants also dug out numerous graves before fleeing the area. Only two graves which were constructed from marble were saved from destruction the spokesperson confirmed.

He said that the local representatives of the community have approached the police and submitted their application for legal action but no investigation has been undertaken so far. He said that police officials asked the community to first rebuild their graves, following which the issue would be investigated.

District Police Office Lodhran Agha Muhammad Yusuf while talking to The Express Tribune confirmed that the graveyard had been desecrated, adding that the Dunyapur DSP had been dispatched to look into the matter. He said that he would personally look into the matter after the investigation.

Dunyapur is a tehsil of district Lodhran located about 100 kilometers away from Multan in South Punjab. There are around 15 families belonging to the Ahmadi community in the area, confirmed the Ahmadiyya community spokesperson. According to his account, six months ago, the people of Dunyapur forced the closure of a private school in the district – a school run by a member of the Ahmadi community. He said that citizens in the area took to the streets and forcibly closed the school in which many Muslim children were receiving their education free of cost.

The community spokesperson called on the government to take action against the culprits, as it was feared that those who could force the closure of schools and desecrate graves may next take over the business and properties of the Ahmadi community in Dunaypur.

The Ahmadi graveyard that was desecrated was established in 1976 at the outskirts of the city, but according to Saleemuddin, the graveyard has been in existence for at least 80 years. He said that incidents of desecrating graves of the Ahmadi community had increased over the last few months. He said that till now, a total of 30 incidents of dug out graves have been recorded in the country.

29 graves of Ahmadi community desecrated – The Express Tribune

Gets better and better every day. Now even the dead will have to be careful in case they offend anyone. Ordinance XX applied posthumously.

The brutal laws like blasphemy law and Ordinance XX are gradually turning the whole nation in a bunch of barbarians. However now that things have gone so much worst best is to keep these laws and once the Ahmadis and Christians are not in enough numbers then Sunnis and Shias will get on each others throats and then Deobandis and Brelvis too. Problem sorts itself out. End of story. Time to write the history; a nation that destroyed itself over 'blasphemy'.
 
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I think there is some construction issue there... as clearly visible in pictures.

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I think there is some construction issue there... as clearly visible in pictures.

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Yes deny it as usual. As if it is the first incident ever and that Ahmadis, Christians and Hindus are loved in Pakistan and there are not any banners openly inciting hatred against them. At least Hindus are going over to India to save themselves, good for them.
 
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