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Does Pakistan have what it takes to be a strong nation?

I can't speak for all of Europe but the great social advances came in the UK when the parliamentary system was opened up to allow the concern of the businessman rather than the aristocrat and that then extended to unions and working class leaders.

Since the fall of the unions, the representatiion of the working man in UK politics has fell backwards and ultimately the quality of life for the working man too.

In Pakistan we can only move forward at speed when the concerns of the masses are represented in the halls of power.
But does the parliamentary system in UK is same as in Germany? Or if governance systems in China and Finland are different and are working then how? So whats missing with Pakistan.
Manzil aik nahi, jazba bhi aik nahi, qom tu nahi ham.

What exactly is a "strong nation"?
A nation that says : in next 10 years we will achieved a certain goal, they mean it and then they achieve it.
 
coming to Pakistan the self loathing and cursing political dynasties, corrupt justice system and opportunist generals is a favorite past time. as long as a party is in power and is enjoying all the favors (in short called on same page) then all is well but when its no longer the case then suddenly everything is wrong in the country and blood must be spilled (figuratively) to undo the wrong. there is a recent example in our country so you know what I am on about.

Yup. When someone's favorite political party is in power then Pakistan is not so bad. You see PDF with so many optimistic posts about 'developments' and 'investments' etc etc. But when that party loses then the whole country, even its only standing institution is rotten. But kids shouldn't worry. Their favorite party is coming back to power and I am hoping with a large majority and also well-learned from their mistakes.

Coming to the OP question, I don't think Pakistan is weak state at all. The 'corruption' or 'queues' not forming or flight of skill workers etc is not unique to Pakistan. And I don't think the 'fertile land' theory applies to Pakistan if did not apply to the colonizing Europe with fertile land. Pakistan has stood its ground considering what kind of neighbors it has, with the exception of China.

The biggest problem Pakistan has is political instability. Already there were two 'lost decades' starting 1990s. If the current chaos is not control then 2022 maybe the beginning of another 'lost decade'.

The other problem--and maybe that's even bigger--is a mindset which uses Islam as an excuse to shun half of the country's population as not contributing citizens. Except for just a few urban areas of Sindh and Punjab, women are housewives or farm workers. They are not contributing via high-end skills needed in the modern world. The world is already hungry for young, educated people! Educate as many, as fast and, yes, send them over to earn foreign exchange. But the mindset is just a few notches better than the Afghan Taliban's.
Here is a true story about that mindset I tell you. In the 1980s in one of my college classes in Karachi the professor was narrating his encounter with someone from the West. The guy from, say, UK or America, asked my professor something like 'Why do you not let the women participate with economic activities and instead hide them from the public life?' The professor proudly told us students this: 'I asked the UK guy: What do you do with your precious belongings? You protect and hide them!'. In effect, the professor was equating women with property!
 
we want others among us to sacrifice for us lead for us, pay our dues on our behalf, work hard and get things done on our behalf so that we can enjoy great healthcare, great infrastructure, great healthcare, efficient administration, policing, law and order etc.

Why work for it when one can beg, borrow or steal whatever possible to get others to do all this for you? :D
 
Let's start with stable before we talk about strong.

I think we have most of the the ingredients, but we also lack some important ingredients.

1. Leadership.
2. Discipline.
3. An education system that encourages creativity.

Go to a back street mechanic or repair shop, you'll see uneducated men doing all sorts of jugar.

Get an engineering graduate from a Pakistani University and ask them to make something or think of something new. The creativity has been squeezed out of them.

All sorts of Jugars means lack of hard work. That laziness in turn means he or she's away from the current education required to do work professionally vs. the jugar. Lack of education means NO innovation! Which is what we see in Pakistan. Two times more expensive cars with 1970's features (building on your example of a mechanic). Compare the auto industry in the neighborhood. They sell "today's" innovative technologies in cars for half the price of what we pay.

So the leadership doesn't effect anything in this scenario, when we are talking about a mechanic on the street, a doctor, a crane operator or a truck driver. The dimensions are the same: 1: Work ethic - Emaandari (hard work) 2: Education (professional or otherwise) 3: Innovation (ability to do professional work and solve other problems and 4: Strategic investments like India did in IT / back office (at a national level to grow). Leadership essentially comes in for foreign relationships, etc. when we talk about how nations can grow.
 
Jugar may also mean cheap solution. Not always a lazy solution.

They all fit into lack of professional hard work, whether we call them short cuts, cheap solutions, etc. If you build quality solutions, they won't be cheap and you'll earn more. Apply this hard work concept across the nation and average national income would go up because everyone is educated (even if limited education or technical education). This is the case in Western countries. Not everyone's a PHD or a Bachelors of Master's holders. People can learn how to safely drive buses, cranes, engine / electric / AC mechanic and make excellent living. This concept applied throughout a nation takes the national income up. Something Pakistan terribly needs.
 
They all fit into lack of professional hard work, whether we call them short cuts, cheap solutions, etc. If you build quality solutions, they won't be cheap and you'll earn more. Apply this hard work concept across the nation and average national income would go up because everyone is educated (even if limited education or technical education). This is the case in Western countries. Not everyone's a PHD or a Bachelors of Master's holders. People can learn how to safely drive buses, cranes, engine / electric / AC mechanic and make excellent living. This concept applied throughout a nation takes the national income up. Something Pakistan terribly needs.
I was watching a Dark seas episode on the Japanese suicide subs, the Kaiten. Even for that, the had like 6 months training, first learning how to navigate the sub on the surface, then under water, then at high speeds, then attacking decoys, and then deep under water navigation with speed. This is a suicide sub and they were losing the war in the pacific, but still they never neglected training.
Then there is the story of the mitsubishi employee who survived hiroshima bombing and went to work next day in Nagasaki and survived that too.


And then there is that soldier who fought for 30 years, not knowing the war was over.



We never really see this level of dedication to a task here, because were lazy and always seek shortcuts. The only thing talked about among employees in dorporate offices is "roti kithay khaani?"
 
I was watching a Dark seas episode on the Japanese suicide subs, the Kaiten. Even for that, the had like 6 months training, first learning how to navigate the sub on the surface, then under water, then at high speeds, then attacking decoys, and then deep under water navigation with speed. This is a suicide sub and they were losing the war in the pacific, but still they never neglected training.
Then there is the story of the mitsubishi employee who survived hiroshima bombing and went to work next day in Nagasaki and survived that too.


And then there is that soldier who fought for 30 years, not knowing the war was over.



We never really see this level of dedication to a task here, because were lazy and always seek shortcuts. The only thing talked about among employees in dorporate offices is "roti kithay khaani?"

I couldn't have put it in better words. Thank you for your post. You hit it right on the head. Our core issue is dedication to work, i.e. hard HALAAL work ethic!

Every nation who adopted hard working ethics, has succeeded or will succeed. Recent examples? Indonesia and Bangladesh!
 
Yes but Japan copied the Imperial German system.

Likewise we can learn from China and copy their governing system.
There is Germany where average student designs his own microchip
There is Japan where average student designs his own PlayStation
There is China where average student designs or copies anything from world
Than there are duffers of People of Pakistan like cattle cows who have no clue WTF moments.
 
Yes? Provided.

Yes and No.


To begin with, Pakistan is not a Nation, it's a country not made up of one homogenous group, ethnically, linguistically, culturally. Yes it has some semblance of a Nation looking at what gels it, the common denominator of religion Islam ( ironically it divides it too on sects). and the common national language Urdu which unites it. Actually the dress Shalwar Kameez also makes it look one and every province have this common uniting factor.

So there are more factors to unite the people than to divide it.

On geographical landscape, looking at the fertile plains of Punjab and Sindh, the abundance of natural resources, minerals, gas, copper, gold(unexplored), all kind of cilmatic and topographical zones, Pakistan is just one of the 10 countries in the world where you can find the steepest gradient, like the lower 2-4 meter height at Gwadar, Karachi to the highest 8600 meter heights of mountains up north.

Because of the different climatic zones, coldest areas of the world to the warmest, deserts to fertile plains, all kind of staple food, fruits, grains can be produced in Pakistan. Only one or few zones that is the tropical zone with forest is not here.


So its a very rich and abundantly resourceful country looking at the geography and the topography and what entails in it.


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Does Pakistan have what it takes to be a strong nation?

As per current situation, no.

There are a lot of factors here. Lets just go back to 70s, 80s of India. It was a norm that an Indian parent would make sure they send their kids to schools and get the best of education. Those kids are now driving India’s economy. Do we see that type of dedication here in Pakistan?

We always think we are number 1. Even a decent middle class folk thinks the same. If you don’t see a problem you can’t work your way on correcting it.

There are mafias everywhere. The politicians, bureaucrats, higher rank army men, involved in corruption. Earning money through haram means is a norm.

Then there is an issue of extremism. Thanks to the Taliban boys to the West, from a liberal, outward looking, education seeking Pakistan of the 50s, 60s, Pakistanis have been taken over by obscurantism and extremism mindset. Not that conservatism is bad, but jahalat is a big no.
 
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