Do India's Space Program and Mars Mission Make Sense?

[acetophenol]

It's absolutely true for India which has social indicators of sub-Saharan Africa and spends billions on space like far richer and far more developed nations.

Haq's Musings: Can Superpoor India Become a Superpower?



It's highly misleading to claim it cost only $74 million. It couldn't have been done without the ISRO infrastructure costing tens of billions of dollars.

Stupidity is not a crime,but don't carry it around as a decoration.

 

[thesolar65]

@RiazHaq, See, I will argue like this. I read somewhere in an English prose in say std-8 or 9 as I cannot remember, it said "Even if you distribute the whole finance of a nation equally among all the people, withing twenty four hours the situation will be back to square one". My father was also poor, but was studious. He studied eating just rice and and arum (sometimes potato which was luxury). He went on to become a Civil Engineer. But after working for Govt. he thought of quitting it as he felt he could earn more if he do the same labor for himself. He started with Hiring Rickshaw business and subsequently many more business which cannot say it here.

The hard work paid off and now he and I own two colleges and two hotels (I said hard work because the wealth came to us after 30 years) and my brother is a NASA scientist.

I am telling you this that many of the readers may also have come from the same background like me. Govt, will guide forming rules and regulation and support in a number of ways, but to raise in your life one must do it himself.

So to suggest that Govt. should stop funding all these activities, and just distribute the money among all the poor and downtrodden....I cannot agree with you...Sorry. I give up.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

it's their money who cares how they spend it....yeah there's rampant poverty clearly visible throughout there but again - they can decide where the money goes

 

[Chanakyaa]

^this is the most shameless google adsense campaign I have seen....

I Guess You Meant Adwords ?

it's their money who cares how they spend it....yeah there's rampant poverty clearly visible throughout there but again - they can decide where the money goes

Atleast we are NOT Eating Grass !!

Another attempt at distraction with barefaced lies. A quick fat-check would show no Adsense on Haq's Musings



There's no better example of stupidity than Indians' pretensions and delusions of grandeur in a nation with the world's largest population of poor, hungry and illiterates.

Haq's Musings: 63 Years After Independence, India Remains Home to World's Largest Population of Poor, Hungry and Illiterates

Riaz Mia,

Ye Yaad Hai ? Ki Bhool Gai... ?

we will eat grass, even go hungry, but we will get one of our own"

- Z A Bhutto.

 

[Nitin Goyal]

it's their money who cares how they spend it....yeah there's rampant poverty clearly visible throughout there but again - they can decide where the money goes

coming from a citizen of a failed country who live on american money and drones.

 

[Bobby]

It's absolutely true for India which has social indicators of sub-Saharan Africa and spends billions on space like far richer and far more developed nations.

Haq's Musings: Can Superpoor India Become a Superpower?



It's highly misleading to claim it cost only $74 million. It couldn't have been done without the ISRO infrastructure costing tens of billions of dollars.

Mr. Wise guy....If I cook in my house then I should add the house cost to food cost......funny arguement

 

[RiazHaq]

@RiazHaq, See, I will argue like this. I read somewhere in an English prose in say std-8 or 9 as I cannot remember, it said "Even if you distribute the whole finance of a nation equally among all the people, withing twenty four hours the situation will be back to square one". My father was also poor, but was studious. He studied eating just rice and and arum (sometimes potato which was luxury). He went on to become a Civil Engineer. But after working for Govt. he thought of quitting it as he felt he could earn more if he do the same labor for himself. He started with Hiring Rickshaw business and subsequently many more business which cannot say it here.

The hard work paid off and now he and I own two colleges and two hotels (I said hard work because the wealth came to us after 30 years) and my brother is a NASA scientist.

I am telling you this that many of the readers may also have come from the same background like me. Govt, will guide forming rules and regulation and support in a number of ways, but to raise in your life one must do it himself.

So to suggest that Govt. should stop funding all these activities, and just distribute the money among all the poor and downtrodden....I cannot agree with you...Sorry. I give up.

You have a serious reading comprehension problem.

Social spending on education, healthcare, nutrition and hygiene does not mean "just distribute the money among all the poor and downtrodden"

It means lift people out of poverty by allocating resources to human development activities rather than wasteful projects which give your elite a temporary high.

Haq's Musings: BRIC, Chindia and the Indian Miracle

 

[thesolar65]

You have a serious reading comprehension problem.

Social spending on education, healthcare, nutrition and hygiene does not mean "just distribute the money among all the poor and downtrodden"

It means lift people out of poverty by allocating resources to human development activities rather than wasteful projects which give your elite a temporary high.

Same thing.....Never Mind...I give up!!

 

[Bobby]

Some a$$es are burning so hard that if Pakistan launch them properly....they will land in saturn forget about Mars....

 

[acetophenol]

Another attempt at distraction with barefaced lies. A quick fat-check would show no Adsense on Haq's Musings



There's no better example of stupidity than Indians' pretensions and delusions of grandeur in a nation with the world's largest population of poor, hungry and illiterates.

Haq's Musings: 63 Years After Independence, India Remains Home to World's Largest Population of Poor, Hungry and Illiterates

India is the second largest populated nation in the world,within just 67 years we have raised to respected position in the world. No one will ever deny that India has lacks in several fields. We still have several illiterates and poor. Open defecation,rapes,crimes,incompetancy,crimes etc are serious problems that we face. But we are working on it,slowly and steadily we are improving ourselves. We raised from a mere 12% literacy to a 70 % literacy,now we have a good (not perfect) railway,really good armed forces,good education systems,several globally reputed companies,an awesome space program,an awesome automobile sector and several more. It does not take any rocket science to understand that India is in the right path. We may be slow,but we are moving ahead. Try to figure out why Pakistan lags so much behind India despite starting from the same place. Your country has a shity governance filled with coups,dictators and dharnas,railways is a jokes,healthcare is a joke,education,automobile,spaceprogram,industry all lags behind India. Try to figure it out,else, You can carry on with your pre-programmed anti Indian mindset and continue advertising your blog.

 

[Blue Sword]

Another attempt at distraction with barefaced lies. A quick fat-check would's show no Adsense on Haq's Musings



There's no better example of stupidity than Indians' pretensions and delusions of grandeur in a nation with the world's largest population of poor, hungry and illiterates.

Haq's Musings: 63 Years After Independence, India Remains Home to World's Largest Population of Poor, Hungry and Illiterates

The question is how come world largest illiterate people can send the space craft to Mars? If NASA is helping us why INDIA ? Why not Pakistan ?

 

[Lil Mathew]

India is home to the world's largest population of poor, hungry, illiterate and sick people who lack basic sanitation facilities. India's share of the world's poorest has jumped from 22% in 1980 to 33% now.
Does it make sense for India to waste its resources on a space program?

Please look at the following:

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Haq's Musings: India's Share of World's Poorest Jumped From 22% to 33% in 30 Years!

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Haq's Musings: 63 Years After Independence, India Remains Home to World's Largest Population of Poor, Hungry and Illiterates

Read the below blog by your fellow Pakistani.. Perfect example of "how to write a fruitfull blog"?? Only hatred and obsession are there in your blogs..
Metro Bus or Mars: The problem with our priorities
By Bilal Karim Mughal

The United States, being the most technologically advanced country on Earth, put that feather in its hat about 45 years ago.

What was the condition of India and Pakistan at that time? The two countries had already fought two battles, and were about to plunge into another one in 1971.

While the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) was established in 1969, the same year when humans set foot on the moon, Pakistan’s Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission (SUPARCO) was established in 1961 – eight years before its Indian counterpart.



Explore: Space: Above and Beyond



SUPARCO was set up by the most famous of all Pakistani scientists and the country’s only Nobel Laureate: Dr Abdus Salam.

Dr Salam had advised Field Marshal Muhammad Ayub Khan, then President of Pakistan to establish a Space Sciences Research Wing within Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission. This later turned into SUPARCO in 1964.

In 1960, President John F Kennedy had announced that the United States planned to land an American on the moon, and bring him safely back to earth before the decade was over.

Dr Tariq Mustafa, a scientist at Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission’s, writes in his memoir that for this project, NASA needed to map the wind conditions at the upper atmospheric region above the Indian Ocean.

In mid-September 1961, Dr Abdus Salam and Dr Tariq Mustafa held a meeting with NASA officials in Washington. On the occasion, NASA offered help to Pakistan in the development and launching of rockets to map the atmosphere above Indian Ocean, on the condition that any data acquired from the research on upper atmosphere will be shared with NASA.

Dr Abdus Salam helped set up Pakistan's space organisation before India had founded theirs.
Pakistan quickly bagged the offer, and started working on the project.

On 7 June 1962, Pakistan launched an unmanned rocket, Rehbar-I from Sonmiani, with assistance from NASA.

Dr Tariq Mustafa led the team working on this project. With this experimental launch, Pakistan became the third country in Asia, first in South Asia, and only the 10th country in the world to have conducted such a launch.



Read on: Footprints: No space for Ahmadis



According to a report of the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control, before the June 1962 launch, NASA had started training Pakistani scientists at Wallops Island and the Goddard Space Flight Centers. It also put up fellowships and research associate programs at American universities for "advanced training and experience" in the field of space.

In subsequent years, however, Pakistan’s space program severely lagged due to the political turmoil which enveloped the country.

India built its first satellite Aryabhata, and launched it in 1975. Pakistan built its first satellite Badr-I and launched it in 1990.

India is now independently developing satellites, launching them on its own, and is the first nation to put its orbiter in Mars’s orbit in the first attempt. Meanwhile, Pakistan is still limited to Geographical Information Systems (GIS), remote sensing, and communication satellites.



Also read: India's spacecraft beams back first Mars photos



The Paksat-1R, launched in 2011 is Pakistan’s latest satellite, that was funded, designed, built, and launched by our friend in need, China.

Pakistan’s only fully functional satellite is this communication satellite. So much for a national space agency in the 21st century.

Putting aside NASA and the European Space Agency, ISRO too started off with resources similar to Pakistan, and I will argue, with even lesser expertise than Pakistan.

SUPARCO was ahead of all other Asian nations in the space race, but what happened to us then?

On September 24, when India's Mars Orbiter Mission, or Mangalyaansuccessfully entered the Martian orbit, I was completely overwhelmed with happiness. Why?

Because as a person deeply interested in science, scientific achievement anywhere around the world – even if it is in some far off island in the Oceania – the achievement humbles me.

But at the same time, I think about Pakistan, the country whose passport I hold, and whose National Identity Card gives me an identity.

Pakistan is now nowhere in the space race.

Pakistan is nowhere near eliminating polio.

Pakistan is nowhere in literacy.

Where is Pakistan?

Pakistan’s education budget was, in actual terms, reduced by 11 per cent in the recent budget, whereas other countries are investing more in health and education.

It is obvious that the nation’s priorities are wrong.



Explore: Space exploration and Pakistan: The significance of space technology



I am not a critic of infrastructure projects, but roads, mass transits, flyovers, schools, and colleges are things Pakistan should’ve built a long time ago. The current focus should’ve been on education, science, and technology, with emphasis on space technology.

Why space technology? Because this is one area where technological advances require such intensive research on every subject, all the way from electronics to human biology, that every new project propels forward not just the field of space research but all other sciences touched by it.

Historically, we have seen several discoveries in one field or another as offshoots of space programmes.

For example, it was the US space shuttle’s fuel pump design which led to invention of the artificial heart. The heart has now been transplanted to more than 20 people.

The algorithm developed for sharpening the images acquired from the Hubble Space Telescope now helps sharpen the images of mammograms for treatment of breast cancer patients.

Dresses to keep the body temperature controlled for patients in certain diseases were inspired from astronauts’ spacesuits.

That is why the US spends billions of dollars on NASA every year; not just for an obsession with space, but for technological prowess overall, which ultimately translates into more development for people.

A number of people are still bashing India on failing to eliminate poverty before reaching out for Mars.

I will respond by saying Pakistan has neither eliminated poverty, nor reached Mars.



Take a look: Indian PM defends spending on space exploration



It is about time that the government reconsider its priorities.

Policies and funding allocations in our federal budgets need a revision. SUPARCO’s budget should be increased. It had potential in the past, and it still does! I met some great scientists from SUPARCO in a public fair once and was amazed at the enthusiasm of these people.

SUPARCO can still take the lead in the regional space program, if the government puts its attention towards it.

I am sure that if India has reached Mars in its first attempt, Pakistan will reach a new horizon too, in its first attempt, if it makes one.

And who knows if that horizon is as far as Pluto?

Let’s keep the hope alive.
Metro Bus or Mars: The problem with our priorities - Blogs - DAWN.COM

 

[Brahmos_2]

@RiazHaq for you....
Metro Bus or Mars: The problem with our priorities

1969 was the year, when the United States succeeded in landing humans on the moon – our closest neighbour in space – and safely bringing them back to Earth.

The United States, being the most technologically advanced country on Earth, put that feather in its hat about 45 years ago.

What was the condition of India and Pakistan at that time? The two countries had already fought two battles, and were about to plunge into another one in 1971.

While the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) was established in 1969, the same year when humans set foot on the moon, Pakistan’s Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission (SUPARCO) was established in 1961 – eight years before its Indian counterpart.


Explore: Space: Above and Beyond


SUPARCO was set up by the most famous of all Pakistani scientists and the country’s only Nobel Laureate: Dr Abdus Salam.

Dr Salam had advised Field Marshal Muhammad Ayub Khan, then President of Pakistan to establish a Space Sciences Research Wing within Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission. This later turned into SUPARCO in 1964.

In 1960, President John F Kennedy had announced that the United States planned to land an American on the moon, and bring him safely back to earth before the decade was over.

Dr Tariq Mustafa, a scientist at Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission’s, writes in his memoir that for this project, NASA needed to map the wind conditions at the upper atmospheric region above the Indian Ocean.

In mid-September 1961, Dr Abdus Salam and Dr Tariq Mustafa held a meeting with NASA officials in Washington. On the occasion, NASA offered help to Pakistan in the development and launching of rockets to map the atmosphere above Indian Ocean, on the condition that any data acquired from the research on upper atmosphere will be shared with NASA.

Dr Abdus Salam helped set up Pakistan's space organisation before India had founded theirs.
Pakistan quickly bagged the offer, and started working on the project.

On 7 June 1962, Pakistan launched an unmanned rocket, Rehbar-I from Sonmiani, with assistance from NASA.

Dr Tariq Mustafa led the team working on this project. With this experimental launch, Pakistan became the third country in Asia, first in South Asia, and only the 10th country in the world to have conducted such a launch.


Read on: Footprints: No space for Ahmadis


According to a report of the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control, before the June 1962 launch, NASA had started training Pakistani scientists at Wallops Island and the Goddard Space Flight Centers. It also put up fellowships and research associate programs at American universities for "advanced training and experience" in the field of space.

In subsequent years, however, Pakistan’s space program severely lagged due to the political turmoil which enveloped the country.

India built its first satellite Aryabhata, and launched it in 1975. Pakistan built its first satelliteBadr-I and launched it in 1990.

India is now independently developing satellites, launching them on its own, and is the first nation to put its orbiter in Mars’s orbit in the first attempt. Meanwhile, Pakistan is still limited to Geographical Information Systems (GIS), remote sensing, and communication satellites.


Also read: India's spacecraft beams back first Mars photos


The Paksat-1R, launched in 2011 is Pakistan’s latest satellite, that was funded, designed, built, and launched by our friend in need, China.

Pakistan’s only fully functional satellite is this communication satellite. So much for a national space agency in the 21st century.

Putting aside NASA and the European Space Agency, ISRO too started off with resources similar to Pakistan, and I will argue, with even lesser expertise than Pakistan.

SUPARCO was ahead of all other Asian nations in the space race, but what happened to us then?

On September 24, when India's Mars Orbiter Mission, or Mangalyaan successfully entered the Martian orbit, I was completely overwhelmed with happiness. Why?

Because as a person deeply interested in science, scientific achievement anywhere around the world – even if it is in some far off island in the Oceania – the achievement humbles me.

But at the same time, I think about Pakistan, the country whose passport I hold, and whose National Identity Card gives me an identity.

Pakistan is now nowhere in the space race.

Pakistan is nowhere near eliminating polio.

Pakistan is nowhere in literacy.

Where is Pakistan?

Pakistan’s education budget was, in actual terms, reduced by 11 per cent in the recent budget, whereas other countries are investing more in health and education.

It is obvious that the nation’s priorities are wrong.


Explore: Space exploration and Pakistan: The significance of space technology


I am not a critic of infrastructure projects, but roads, mass transits, flyovers, schools, and colleges are things Pakistan should’ve built a long time ago. The current focus should’ve been on education, science, and technology, with emphasis on space technology.

Why space technology? Because this is one area where technological advances require such intensive research on every subject, all the way from electronics to human biology, that every new project propels forward not just the field of space research but all other sciences touched by it.
Historically, we have seen several discoveries in one field or another as offshoots of space programmes.

For example, it was the US space shuttle’s fuel pump design which led to invention of the artificial heart. The heart has now been transplanted to more than 20 people.

The algorithm developed for sharpening the images acquired from the Hubble Space Telescope now helps sharpen the images of mammograms for treatment of breast cancer patients.

Dresses to keep the body temperature controlled for patients in certain diseases were inspired from astronauts’ spacesuits.

That is why the US spends billions of dollars on NASA every year; not just for an obsession with space, but for technological prowess overall, which ultimately translates into more development for people.

A number of people are still bashing India on failing to eliminate poverty before reaching out for Mars.

I will respond by saying Pakistan has neither eliminated poverty, nor reached Mars.

Take a look: Indian PM defends spending on space exploration


It is about time that the government reconsider its priorities.

Policies and funding allocations in our federal budgets need a revision. SUPARCO’s budget should be increased. It had potential in the past, and it still does! I met some great scientists from SUPARCO in a public fair once and was amazed at the enthusiasm of these people.

SUPARCO can still take the lead in the regional space program, if the government puts its attention towards it.

I am sure that if India has reached Mars in its first attempt, Pakistan will reach a new horizon too, in its first attempt, if it makes one.

And who knows if that horizon is as far as Pluto?

Let’s keep the hope alive.

Metro Bus or Mars: The problem with our priorities - Blogs - DAWN.COM
Thankyou DAWN...

@RiazHaq

 

[ni8mare]

Another attempt at distraction with barefaced lies. A quick fat-check would show no Adsense on Haq's Musings



There's no better example of stupidity than Indians' pretensions and delusions of grandeur in a nation with the world's largest population of poor, hungry and illiterates.

Haq's Musings: 63 Years After Independence, India Remains Home to World's Largest Population of Poor, Hungry and Illiterates

Then why pakistan is still p!ss poor no matter what % it is compare to india who does even spend like india?.......neither it eliminated population of poor, hungry and illiterates nor have a space technology

and
pakistan illiteracy.....>>>> more than 50%

indian illiteracy >>>>>>>>less than 25%

with that illiteracy we can still send mars orbiter tell the intellectual of india unlike pakistan.....

Poor, backward, third-world countries like India need to focus on the hard work to uplift their mass of poor and hungry people above those in sub-Saharan Africa, not waste billions on rockets and satellites.

Pakistan's Suparco focuses on adv imaging, remote sensing, data collection, analysis 4 apps like weather forecast to resource mgmt

SUPARCO does it on a shoestring budget most of what ISRO does by wasting billions of dollars.

Pakistan's Space Program - PakAlumni Worldwide: The Global Social Network

for last time i am tell you pakistan cannot make satellite forget about so called adv imaging, remote sensing, data collection, analysis 4 apps like weather forecast to resource mgmt

if there were indeed remote sensing then pak would have known the coming flood that happened recently

 

[acid rain]

@ Indian members,

Stop wasting time on a loser, we are unknowingly just promoting his crappy blog. Put him on ignore as the anal cyst is worth toilet paper...Sorry mods.