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Do India's Space Program and Mars Mission Make Sense?

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India is home to the world's largest population of poor, hungry, illiterate and sick people who lack basic sanitation facilities. India's share of the world's poorest has jumped from 22% in 1980 to 33% now.
Does it make sense for India to waste its resources on a space program?

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They are best at making everything so cheap, consider Nano cars as well.
This is a thrilling info despite development they are contributing more poor to world percentage every year.
 
India’s Mars mission heats up competition for cheap satellite launches
NEW DELHI: India's low-cost mission to Mars successfully entered the red planet's orbit on Wednesday, crowning what Prime Minister Narendra Modi said was a "near impossible" push to become the only country to complete the trip on its maiden attempt.

The Mars Orbiter Mission was achieved on a budget of $74 million, nearly a tenth of the amount the US space agency Nasa spent on sending the Maven spacecraft to Mars.

"History has been created today," said Modi, who burst into applause along with hundreds of scientists at the state-run Indian Space Research Organization (Isro) when it was announced the mission had been accomplished.

READ MORE: Isro's Mars mission successful, India makes history

"We have dared to reach out into the unknown and have achieved the near impossible," said Modi, wearing a red waistcoat at the space command centre in the southern city of Bangalore.India joins the United States, Russia and Europe in successfully sending probes to orbit or land on Mars. Apart from India, none managed to succeed on their first attempt.

The mission also makes India the first country in Asia to reach Mars, after an attempt by regional rival China failed to leave Earth's orbit in 2011.

Isro successfully ignited the main 440 Newton liquid engine and eight small thrusters that fired for 24 minutes and trimmed the speed of the craft to allow smooth orbit. A confirmation of orbit entry was received at around 8am (0230 GMT).

After completing the 666 million kilometre (414 million miles) journey in more than 10 months, the spacecraft called Mangalyaan — meaning Mars craft in Hindi — will now study the red planet's surface and scan its atmosphere for chemical methane. It will not land on Mars.

Isro scientists will operate five scientific instruments on the spacecraft to gather data, the space agency's scientific secretary V Koteswara Rao told Reuters.
The expected life of the craft is six months, after which it will run out of fuel and the agency will not be able to maintain its orbit.

Modi has said he wants to expand the country's five-decade-old space programme. The technological triumph is fortuitously timed for him — he will be able to flaunt the achievement on a trip to the United States starting on Friday.

Modi also holds the additional charge as India's minister of space, and has endorsed the low-cost of the project, saying it cost even less than the budget of "Gravity". The Hollywood blockbuster cost about $100 million to make.

Nasa, which helped India with communications on the mission, congratulated Isro. The Mangalyaan and the Nasa's Maven, built at a cost of $671 million, are simultaneously orbiting the red planet.

India in space vs others

India's space programme was launched in the early 1960s and the country developed its own rocket technology after western powers imposed sanctions for a nuclear weapons test in 1974.

Still, the country remains a small player in the global space industry that grew to $314 billion in revenues and government budgets in 2013, according to Colorado-based Space Foundation. Experts say Mars mission success can help change that.

"Isro will now hopefully attract a lot of business," said Mayank N Vahia, a scientist at the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research. "We will now attract more international attention and international trade for satellites."Two-thirds of the craft's parts were made by Indian companies such as Larsen & Toubro and Godrej & Boyce.

With 30 Indian and 40 foreign satellite launches so far, its nearest cheap competition would be China, which is armed with bigger space launchers. Isro signed an agreement with China National Space Administration on Friday to cooperate in research and development of various satellites.

Despite its success, India faces criticism for spending on space research as millions go hungry.

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India’s Mars mission heats up competition for cheap satellite launches - The Times of India
 
Here is the answer to your post @RiazHaq...and it is from BBC

BBC News - Why India's Mars mission is so cheap - and thrilling

Why India's Mars mission is so cheap - and thrilling
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Mars Orbiter Mission (MOM) is one of the cheapest interplanetary missions ever undertaken
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India's space programme has succeeded at the first attempt where others have failed - by sending an operational mission to Mars.

The Mangalyaan satellite was confirmed to be in orbit shortly after 0800, Indian time. It is, without doubt, a considerable achievement.

This is a mission that has been budgeted at 4.5bn rupees ($74m), which, by Western standards, is staggeringly cheap.

The American Maven orbiter that arrived at the Red Planet on Monday is costing almost 10 times as much.

Back in June, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi even quipped that India's real-life Martian adventure was costing less than the make-believe Hollywood film Gravity.

Even Bollywood sci-fi movies like Ra.One cost a good chunk of what it has taken to get Mangalyaan to Mars.

India's Mars orbiter
$74m

Cost of India's Mangalyaan mission

$671m

Cost of Nasa's Maven Mars mission

  • Launched on 5 Nov 2013

  • Weighs 1,350kg

  • Closest point to Mars 366km

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So how has India done it? For sure, people costs are less in this populous nation, and the scientists and engineers working on any space mission are always the largest part of the ticket price.

Home-grown components and technologies have also been prioritised over expensive foreign imports.

But, in addition, India has been careful to do things simply.

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Narendra Modi said the country had achieved the "near impossible"
"They've kept it small. The payload weighs only about 15kg. Compare that with the complexity in the payload in Maven and that will explain a lot about the cost," says Britain's Prof Andrew Coates, who will be a principal investigator on Europe's Mars rover in 2018.

"Of course, that reduced complexity suggests it won't be as scientifically capable, but India has been smart in targeting some really important areas that will complement what others are doing."

Mangalyaan has gone equipped with an instrument that will try to measure methane in the atmosphere.

This is one of the hottest topics in Mars research right now, following previous, tantalising observations of the gas.

Earth's atmosphere contains billions of tonnes of methane, the vast majority of it coming from microbes, such as the organisms found in the digestive tracts of animals.

The speculation has been that some methane-producing bugs, or methanogens, could perhaps exist on Mars if they lived underground, away from the planet's harsh surface conditions.

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Mangalyaan will measure methane in the Martian atmosphere - a crucial question
It is a fascinating prospect.

So, even though Mangalyaan has a small payload, it will actually address some of the biggest questions at the Red Planet.

Western scientists are excited also to have the Indian probe on station.

Its measurements of other atmospheric components will dovetail very nicely with Maven and the observations being made by Europe's Mars Express. "It means we'll be getting three-point measurements, which is tremendous," says Prof Coates.

This will enable researchers to better understand how the planet lost the bulk of its atmosphere billions of years ago, and determine what sort of climate it could once have had, and whether or not it was conducive to life.

I have read a lot about the criticism of Mangalyaan and India's space programme.

There's an assumption among many, I guess, that space activity is somehow a plaything best left to wealthy industrial countries; that it can have no value to developing nations.

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Students in Chennai saluted the country's space scientists
The money would be better spent on healthcare and improved sanitation, so the argument goes.

But what this position often overlooks is that investment in science and technology builds capability and capacity, and develops the sort of people who benefit the economy and society more widely.

Space activity is also a wealth generator. Some of the stuff we do up there pays for stuff down here.

The industrialised nations know it; that's one of the reasons they invest so heavily in space activity.

Consider just the UK. It has dramatically increased its spending on space in recent years.

The government has even identified satellites as being one of the "eight great technologies" that can help rebalance the UK economy and drive it forward.

India wants a part of this action, too, and in Mangalyaan and its other satellite and rocket programmes, the nation is putting itself into a strong position in international markets for space products and services.

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Science and technology builds capability and capacity, and inspires the next generation
 
@RiazHaq give up your bias and hatred and at least acknowledge that fact that a south Asian country(you are one too) has accomplished such a big achievement .
before you look down on us and try to point out how many poor we have , remember you are in a similar position as us.
 
I am sorry but I do not agree with the article's assertion.Exploring the unknown, questioning the myths and penetrating the unresolved have always been the usual characteristics of a vigorous mind. To withdraw oneself from scientific research just because one have its other constraints and problems to resolve is not only stupid but signature of a regressive, pessimist mindset just as the article concludes.

I find this notion utterly absurd and frivolous that India should have concentrated on improving its human development index instead of spending such a huge sum of money in futile space research. While this is true that the budget allocated for projects like NREGA, Integrated Rural development Program etc is not sufficient enough but this is equally hilarious to assume that poverty eradication programs get hampered by the the funneling of money for its space missions.

Does Indian Mars Mission adds something extra ordinary to the world of space exploration? I am afraid not much. US of A or the European Space Agency are thousand yards ahead in terms of technological superiority, pay load capacity and quality advancement. But as a third world country in Asia, this is indeed an achievement. It opens up new opportunities for space commerce for ISRO. A space mission that costed less than a hollywood movie but over shadowed its predecessor's efforts (like the Japanese, American and Chinese) deserves much applause for the determination, tenacity and the ambition of its people. As Amitabha Ghosh, a planetary geologist working in NASA puts it," India's expedition will never be a failure even if it does not succeed."
 
NASA’s Maven spacecraft arrived at the Mars late on Sunday night (September 21) before India's mission arrived on Mars (September 23)

NASA, ISRO to Share Martian Data
By Express News Service
Published: 24th September 2014 06:04 AM

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BANGALORE: India’s maiden mission to Mars, the Mangalyaan, has received active cooperation from the American space agency NASA.

This is part of the civil space co-operation agreement between India and the US, which also concerns joint development of new scientific products.


According to officials, the idea of a Joint Working Group (JWG) on Mars is beneficial to both sides as the orbiters-The Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution (MAVEN) and Mars Orbiter Mission (MOM) can share their findings. MAVEN, which will help NASA understand how Mars changed from a warm planet to a cold wasteland, is not equipped to study methane sources.
This is however a significant payload on MOM. “There will be a meeting of the scientific community post the insertion of MOM into orbit on Wednesday. Our orbiter can complement MAVEN and there will be no clash as such between the two,” ISRO secretary, Koteswara Rao had said recently. However, there has been no formal announcement of a JWG yet and it is expected to be announced during the visit of Prime Minister Narendra Modi to the US this week.

Another opportunity for NASA and ISRO to work together will be when the comet Siding Spring passes within a distance of 1,32,000 km from Mars on October 19. “Three out of the five payloads on MOM can be used to observe the comet in October,” Rao said.

NASA, ISRO to Share Martian Data -The New Indian Express

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Nasa, Isro in talks for jointly developing satellite for first time

Jul 29, 2013, 07.42PM IST

BANGALORE: US space agency Nasa and India's premier space agency Isro are in talks for jointly building a satellite for the first time.

"Now, there is a feasibility study going on whether we can jointly make a satellite, with synthetic aperture radar (SAR) payloads working on two frequency bands - L-band and S-band", Chairman of Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) K Radhakrishnan told PTI here.

Charles F Bolden Jr, Administrator of National Aeronautics and Space Administration (Nasa) of United States, visited the Space Applications Centre (SAC) of Isro in Ahmedabad on June 25.

He had a meeting with Radhakrishnan, also Secretary, Department of Space, along with senior officials of Isro to discuss the ongoing cooperative activities between ISRO and NASA and also the potential areas of future cooperation.

"...the joint satellite mission is an important step. It's not making an instrument and plugging it actually. It's working together. That's what we are discussing. It (working together) should happen in the next few months", Radhakrishnan said.

"Both organisations are coming together and saying let's develop it together...use your strength, use my strength. That's a good way of working", he said.

"It (the proposed satellite) is interesting from scientific point of view, it's interesting from normal resource management point of view," he said.


Radhakrishnan said Nasa's Jet Propulsion Laboratory would make the radar system "if it (in case of Nasa, Isro deciding to work together on the mission) is getting through".

On Isro's role, he said, "We will be working together. Some will be built by us, some will be built by them. So, this (work-sharing) has to be finalised", adding, data generated by the mission would be used by both Isro and Nasa.

Radhakrishnan hinted at the possibility of Isro making the satellite for the joint mission, with launch from Indian soil.

In this context, he pointed to the Indo-French joint satellite missions Megha-Tropiques and Saral, with Paris opting for Indian satellites for the ventures with 'desi' rockets.

India's 2008 Chandrayaan-1 mission had two instruments from USA.

Mini Synthetic Aperture Radar (MiniSAR) was from Johns Hopkins University's Applied Physics Laboratory and Naval Air Warfare Centre, USA through Nasa. MiniSAR was mainly intended for detecting water ice in the permanently shadowed regions of the lunar poles up to a depth of a few meters.

Moon Mineralogy Mapper (M3), an imaging spectrometer from Brown University and JPL through Nasa, was intended to assess and map lunar mineral resources at high spatial and spectral resolution.

Nasa, Isro in talks for jointly developing satellite for first time - The Times of India

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Billions spent on India's space program could have been better spent to improve hygiene and save lives of millions ordinary Indians dying of infections and diseases caused by lack of sanitation.

India's rivers have been turned into open sewers by 638 million Indians without access to toilets, according to rural development minister Jairam Ramesh. He was reacting aUNICEF report that says Indians make up 58% of the world population which still practices open defection, and the sense of public hygiene in India is the worst in South Asia and the world.

Haq's Musings: India Leads the World in Open Defecation
 
India's Mars Mission costed <$80M USD this time. By international standards, this is very cheap. So I don't believe it's coming at the expense of social spending.
Don't worry you think OP is serious, its just a display of butthurt!! Do you really think an idiot like the OP would ever care about poor of India? He would rather wish to see more and more Indians dead. His intent is just to troll because you know life in old age home is so damn boring..
 
India's share of the world's poorest has jumped from 22% in 1980 to 33% now.
According to UN Secretary-General's Millennium Development Goals report released by UN Information Centre "the poverty rate fell from 49 per cent in 1994 to 42 per cent in 2005 and to 33 per cent in 2010. If the current pace continues, India will meet the poverty reduction target by 2015,".
source:India’s poverty rates will drop by half by 2015: UN report | Business Line

If you look at the percentage of people below the international poverty line set by unicef the numbers have been steadily decreasing.
 

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