Disintegration of China because of economic collapse?

[Nadal]

Of course, we are not their grandson, but borrowing some of their idea is nothing wrong.

All you folks from HK and TW are allowed to worship the Jewish-Invented Christianity, then what's wrong to borrow some idea from the Jewish-Invented Communism?

Christianity is a religion.

Communism is just an ideology but failed.

 

[Sasquatch]

Taiwan's DPP eyes better China ties
Taiwan's DPP eyes better China ties - Yahoo! News Singapore

SEF chairman supports DPP-China ties
SEF chairman supports DPP-China ties - Taipei Times

Breakthrough in ties between DPP and Beijing
Breakthrough in ties between DPP and Beijing | South China Morning Post

Beside......almost all DPP top members doing business in mainland China. I will create a separate thread about China-Taiwan relationship.

This means noting until they renounce Independence as of yet it is all just for show, otherwise the missile remain pointed and a peace treaty cannot be signed.

 

[Kolaps]

This means noting until they renounce Independence as of yet it is all just for show, otherwise the missile remain pointed and a peace treaty cannot be signed.

Don't blame anything to Taiwan, mainland China have their mistake too.

You are not communist anymore, why keep the communist name? Why you can show and prove your loyalty to Chinese civilization? It's yours too and it just need a little step to reform. Mainland China just makes everything so difficult.

Beside you still need to prove and guarantee people power and freedom. Convince me about this! Show me some evidences and stories.

 

[Sasquatch]

Don't blame anything to Taiwan, mainland China have their mistake too.

I am not blaming Taiwan just the DPP and their independence bid and the reason of hostility including Taipei wanting us to remove the missiles pointed at it no Independence bid no missiles.

You are not communist anymore, why keep the communist name? Why you can show and prove your loyalty to Chinese civilization? It's yours too and it just need a little step to reform. Mainland China just makes everything so difficult.

Never claimed I was communist it is the CPC, it will remain that way. We are all loyal to Chinese civilization however political divides have caused a difference between the cross straits it is what started the civil war. We have been reforming for the past 10 years and I expect more over this coming decade as of yet Taipei bid for independence is what slows it, if a peace treaty is signed and independence is renounced then China can focus on itself more reform.

Beside you still need to prove and guarantee people power and freedom. Convince me about this! Show me some evidences and stories.

As of yet events like Wukhan where the government heeded the protesters demands or the current protests which the journalists finding a compromise, China will gradually reform its political system as it has done with the economy all that is needed from Taipei is to accept a peace treaty and drop independence bid. And unification can be discussed later while reform is going.

We have common stances on Diaoyu Islands and the South China Sea which we should work on.

 

[cirr]

Christianity is a religion.

Communism is just an ideology but failed.

While it used to be an idea, democracy has now become an ideology:

If you are not a so-called democracy，I（the West in general and the US in particular）will bomb you into a democracy。

 

[Nadal]

While it used to be an idea, democracy has now become an ideology:

If you are not a so-called democracy，I（the West in general and the US in particular）will bomb you into a democracy。

You pro-CCP Mainlander always says, "KMT collapsed in 1949 because of Mainland Chinese's choice"

How about "Collapse of al-Gaddafi's Libya in 2011"? Is it not because of Libyan's choice?

You always blames Westerners for double standard, but you still adopt double standard.

 

[giant panda]

You pro-CCP Mainlander always says, "KMT collapsed in 1949 because of Mainland Chinese's choice"

How about "Collapse of al-Gaddafi's Libya in 2011"? Is it not because of Libyan's choice?

You always blames Westerners for double standard, but you still adopt double standard.

lol ,
but do you forget US ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens??

 

[Nadal]

lol ,
but do you forget US ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens??

You also don't forget Mao's 27 years (1949-76).

You can blame imperialist crime (USA, UK, France, Russia, Japan) against China in 1840-1949, but you can't deny Mao crime in 1949-1976.

 

[S10]

That is correct.

Mainland China is also play a role in Taiwan stagnation. Taiwan is an island under siege, where war and Armageddon are everyday threat. Where everyone, if they had a change, they will immigrate flee from Taiwan, take or invest all their money aboard. Far far from Taiwan. That is why Taiwan look stagnant, people have the money but they won't invest in Taiwan. If not, Taiwan economy today will be twice bigger, GDP per capita will be on par with US.

Anyway, that is not Mainland China fault too. Taiwan government and democracy have a role too. When we had public election for the first time, embracing democracy from authoritarian, that was when Taiwan economy started to stagnant. Now that China has opened up, you are no longer competitive.

If mainland Chinese really care about the future of Taiwan and the whole Chinese civilization, please fastening the political reform! Abandon communism and re-embrace Confucianism or anything from our civilization. The day when China and Taiwan reunification, there will be no communist nor democracy. Just China! Please think of it!

You do realize that Taiwan's economic miracle was the product of a very special period right? I'll give you a few reasons why Taiwan was successful in the 1970's to 1990's, and why it will be downhill from here.

1. Mainland China was closed to the outside world from 1949 to early 1990's. Taiwan on the other hand, was not. It was able to grow its economy through small manufacturing.

2. When Chiang Kai-shek fled to Taiwan with his remaining forces in 1949, he brought alot of experts all over the China with him. These people were top of the line thinkers and engineers. You will never have the same pool of experts to pick from on a small island anymore.

3. Also, KMT forces looted and pillaged in mainland for weeks before bring their wealth to Taiwan. Your economy was fed with the blood of mainlanders.

 

[giant panda]

You also don't forget Mao's 27 years (1949-76).

You can blame imperialist crime (USA, UK, France, Russia, Japan) against China in 1840-1949, but you can't deny Mao crime in 1949-1976.

Chairman Mao said:
This tiny sphere,
　　Finds a few flies here and there,
　　Darting against wall
　　Humming drops of tear!
　　Ants only assume their colony a big state,
　　Mayflies just can’t do the giant tree toppling.
　　The west wind scatters leaves on the capital street,
　　Now like flying arrows twanging.
　　The whole world rolls on,
　　With so many urgent deeds to be done
　　As time presses, seize the day seize the hour!
　　For Ten thousand years would be too long.
　　Four Seas‘re surging with clouds and waters raging,
　　Five Continents‘re rocking with wind and thundering.
　　Wipe out all pests,
　　We are always winning!



you a fly is a nuisance 你這個大假西 小蒼蠅
swat swat swat

 

[Green Bullet]

but you can't deny Mao crime in 1949-1976.

Chairmen Mao was a great leader, who fought for Chinese freedom and pride where a century of humiliation plagued China. Yes the great leap forward and the cultural revolution was a disaster, however this was a mistake at the grass root level and not Chairmen Mao himself advocating the assumption to kill intellectuals and so on. Youth empowerment was given and this phenomena is very difficult to control. Regardless Chairmen Mao did a great service to his country before his death by setting the foundation of the open door policy by meeting Henry Kissinger. As a Chinese you can criticize him, but at least give some respect to a leader who fought against imperial Japan and gave freedom.

 

[Nadal]

Chairman Mao said:
This tiny sphere,
　　Finds a few flies here and there,
　　Darting against wall
　　Humming drops of tear!
　　Ants only assume their colony a big state,
　　Mayflies just can’t do the giant tree toppling.
　　The west wind scatters leaves on the capital street,
　　Now like flying arrows twanging.
　　The whole world rolls on,
　　With so many urgent deeds to be done
　　As time presses, seize the day seize the hour!
　　For Ten thousand years would be too long.
　　Four Seas‘re surging with clouds and waters raging,
　　Five Continents‘re rocking with wind and thundering.
　　Wipe out all pests,
　　We are always winning!



you a fly is a nuisance 你這個大假西 小蒼蠅
swat swat swat

50 Cents and Left Maoists enjoy blaming pro-democracy Chinese as 假西 (Fake Westerbers), but are you 真東 (Real Easterners)?

Much Hong Kong Chinese and Most Taiwanese are pro-democracy, could you call all Fake Westerbers

50 Cents and Left Maoists enjoy blaming pro-democracy Chinese, but just only maintain the Vested people!

 

[eddieInUK]

Chairmen Mao was a great leader, who fought for Chinese freedom and pride where a century of humiliation plagued China. Yes the great leap forward and the cultural revolution was a disaster, however this was a mistake at the grass root level and not Chairmen Mao himself advocating the assumption to kill intellectuals and so on. Youth empowerment was given and this phenomena is very difficult to control. Regardless Chairmen Mao did a great service to his country before his death by setting the foundation of the open door policy by meeting Henry Kissinger. As a Chinese you can criticize him, but at least give some respect to a leader who fought against imperial Japan and gave freedom.

He started industrialisation and unify the whole China. In general he did a good job. He made mistakes but he is serious on development. Before him, we have democracy for 30 years, thats when Japan attacks China.

 

[Green Bullet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoSMNdC7UUw

I love this song, because for some reason it has a good tune. China will not disintegrate and those who have such thought need to smoke Chunghwa to relax and not become overexcited.

 

[Green Bullet]

Trust me Eddie, I believe Chairmen Mao did great things for China, but he is misunderstood in the west. Human beings can make mistakes but in general he did a good job for China, and every Chinese should be proud of his achievements.