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[he-man]

That would require re-negotiating the contract, which means another two years.

Also, Eurofighter would cry foul and claim that they could have given a better financial bid if the numbers to be produced in Europe was different, and demand a new chance to bid.

The best thing to do is to sign this deal as it was envisaged - 18 from France and 108 at HAL, but also pursue the follow on clause of 63 additional units immediately. And get those 63 delivered directly from France, or in a split ratio. That would ensure fast acquisition.

our govt policies have really screwed us.

this deal should have been signed in 2011 at the very least and now we are not even sure of its signing??

what is the reason??

1)tot issues?

2)price??

3)corruption??

4)row over reliance vs hal??


i think its due to tot

 

[[Bregs]]

The last stages of deal has consumes 4 months alone and still its not signed because of there are numerous numbers of Indian sub contractors have to be chosen, finalized

 

[he-man]

The last stages of deal has consumes 4 months alone and still its not signed because of there are numerous numbers of Indian sub contractors have to be chosen, finalized

if we are willing we could have finalized the deal in 6 months flat
i don't know whats the problem here??

do we need 3 years to write a contract??

bullshit

 

[vK_man]

if we are willing we could have finalized the deal in 6 months flat
i don't know whats the problem here??

do we need 3 years to write a contract??

bullshit

Dassault manufacturer of Rafale shareholders are friends with Gandhi family .So I believe the bribes and kickbacks are being worked out.

 

[Raje amar]

Mannnnnnn............

More than a decade and still waiting for the jets.
Please sign the deal in the tenure of this Govt. only. Or it will take many more years after the elections.

Better we sign the contract for all the 200 birds of which at least 50 in flyaway condition.

Or cancelled the bid and award the contract to single party through FMS ( no US jet please).

 

[halloweene]

Absolutely Janon, and that is why Dassault had roposed to deliver first Rafales under a separate contract. They do understand India's rebuttal as Idia would have been more or less compelled to Rafale during negociations on MMRCA.
Dassault CEO privately said that the deal may possibly be signed before the end of year. It is a crazily complex program, as the ToT is really extensive.

 

[Gessler]

Absolutely Janon, and that is why Dassault had roposed to deliver first Rafales under a separate contract. They do understand India's rebuttal as Idia would have been more or less compelled to Rafale during negociations on MMRCA.
Dassault CEO privately said that the deal may possibly be signed before the end of year. It is a crazily complex program, as the ToT is really extensive.

Hi Halloweene, nice to see you getting active on PDF as well.

 

[ejaz007]

Indian Negotiator for Giant Rafale Fighter Deal Dies


NEW DELHI — A top Indian defense official negotiating a $12 billion deal to buy France's Rafale fighter jets has died of a heart attack, further complicating talks over the delayed contract, officials said Thursday.

India chose France's Dassault Aviation in January 2012 for exclusive negotiations for 126 aircraft, but successive deadlines to complete one of the world's biggest defense contracts have slipped by.

Chances of Dassault meeting a target to conclude the huge and complicated production-sharing agreement this year are dwindling, with elections looming in the first half of next year.

Arun Kumar Bal, a joint secretary in the defense ministry in charge of air acquisitions, died Wednesday from a heart attack at the age of 52, meaning a replacement will now have to be named.

"We don't think his death will have any impact on the MMRCA," a defense ministry official, who asked not to be named, told AFP referring to the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft deal.

"The ministry will just have to name a replacement," he added.

But a senior officer familiar with defense acquisitions said Bal was part of the "decision-making process" and in charge of examining Dassault's ability to meet the requirements stipulated by the government.

"It's a fact that Bal was associated with the program for a while and so the new officiating person will need to familiarize themselves with his work," the officer said.

Defence Minister A.K. Antony, 73, is also currently in hospital where he is recovering from surgery on his prostate.

India is the world's biggest arms importer — partly a consequence of its weak domestic production capacity — and foreign defense companies are jostling for huge contracts for helicopters, planes and weaponry.

But as well as elections next year, the state's finances are strained with the government under pressure from investors and ratings agencies to keep the public deficit below its "red line" of 4.8 percent of gross domestic product.

Indian Negotiator for Giant Rafale Fighter Deal Dies | Defense News | defensenews.com

 

[sovcomflot]

Indian Negotiator for Giant Rafale Fighter Deal Dies


NEW DELHI — A top Indian defense official negotiating a $12 billion deal to buy France's Rafale fighter jets has died of a heart attack, further complicating talks over the delayed contract, officials said Thursday.

India chose France's Dassault Aviation in January 2012 for exclusive negotiations for 126 aircraft, but successive deadlines to complete one of the world's biggest defense contracts have slipped by.

Chances of Dassault meeting a target to conclude the huge and complicated production-sharing agreement this year are dwindling, with elections looming in the first half of next year.

Arun Kumar Bal, a joint secretary in the defense ministry in charge of air acquisitions, died Wednesday from a heart attack at the age of 52, meaning a replacement will now have to be named.

"We don't think his death will have any impact on the MMRCA," a defense ministry official, who asked not to be named, told AFP referring to the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft deal.

"The ministry will just have to name a replacement," he added.

But a senior officer familiar with defense acquisitions said Bal was part of the "decision-making process" and in charge of examining Dassault's ability to meet the requirements stipulated by the government.

"It's a fact that Bal was associated with the program for a while and so the new officiating person will need to familiarize themselves with his work," the officer said.

Defence Minister A.K. Antony, 73, is also currently in hospital where he is recovering from surgery on his prostate.

India is the world's biggest arms importer — partly a consequence of its weak domestic production capacity — and foreign defense companies are jostling for huge contracts for helicopters, planes and weaponry.

But as well as elections next year, the state's finances are strained with the government under pressure from investors and ratings agencies to keep the public deficit below its "red line" of 4.8 percent of gross domestic product.

Indian Negotiator for Giant Rafale Fighter Deal Dies | Defense News | defensenews.com

This stinks . More like murdered.

 

[Novice09]

Look at our belief on UPA govt... I can't think that this is natural death...

 

[meena24]

The 18-month long negotiations between Dassault and India over the Rafale MMRCA deal may be heading to a conclusion, if information pieced together from various sources is to be believed.

On the Indian Air Force’s 81st anniversary last week, Dassault used the local media to congratulate the IAF by posting advertisements about the Rafale under a congratulatory banner.

“For the normally media-shy Dassault which did not even hold a customary press conference during the Aero India show earlier this year, despite winning one of the biggest fighter deals in the world, the current media blitz shows something is brewing”, said a source familiar with the developments.

Since India awarded Dassault the contract to supply 126 fighter aircraft last year, then estimated to be worth $12 billion, negotiations have run into difficulty over transfer of technology and about the status of the lead integrator. Dassault was expected to provide 18 Rafale fighter jets in "fly-away" condition while state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited(HAL) was to manufacture the rest in India.

Until a couple of months ago, Dassault was reported to pushing for two separate contracts to be signed - one for the ready-made jets, and another for the rest to be built by HAL; a proposal supposedly rejected by India.

However, India’s dire need to supplement its depleting fighter aircraft fleet with multi-role fighter aircraft may be pushing it to take a less rigid stance at the negotiation table. One line of argument going around is that India would increase the order of jets to be flown in from France to 25 or 30 up from 18, until a way out has been found over technical and other issues concerning the manufacture of the remaining 90 or 100 aircraft in India.

This would give both parties about two years to get their act together given that the Dassault factory
in France can only assemble about 25-30 planes in a year of which slightly less than half is committed to the French Air Force.

While the upcoming 2014 general elections are often cited as a reason for delaying the signing of the
contract, even if negotiations do come to a completion, pressure from the Indian Air Force (IAF) may
force the government to allocate funds for the purchase even in an election year.

When asked at a press conference last week, about the depleting fleet, IAF chief NAK Browne said,
"If the MMRCA deal isn't signed, there will be a rapid decline in fighter numbers between 2017 and 2022. It is imperative that the deal is signed quickly".

“RAFALE International sees the MMRCA program as much more than a mere acquisition process. It is the opportunity to develop a large scale strategic partnership and industrial cooperation between India & France covering in-depth technological and production cooperation,” Dassault says on its Rafale India website. “The offer is also totally supported by the strong political commitment of France towards India in all fields of Defense cooperation.”

Dassault has entered into a joint venture agreement with the Anil Ambani owned Reliance Industries to manufacture aircraft spares in India, presumably as part of the offsets program.

The 18-month long negotiations between Dassault and India over the Rafale MMRCA deal may be heading to a conclusion, if information pieced together from various sources is to be believed.

On the Indian Air Force’s 81st anniversary last week, Dassault used the local media to congratulate the IAF by posting advertisements about the Rafale under a congratulatory banner.

“For the normally media-shy Dassault which did not even hold a customary press conference during the Aero India show earlier this year, despite winning one of the biggest fighter deals in the world, the current media blitz shows something is brewing”, said a source familiar with the developments.

Since India awarded Dassault the contract to supply 126 fighter aircraft last year, then estimated to be worth $12 billion, negotiations have run into difficulty over transfer of technology and about the status of the lead integrator. Dassault was expected to provide 18 Rafale fighter jets in "fly-away" condition while state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited(HAL) was to manufacture the rest in India.

Until a couple of months ago, Dassault was reported to pushing for two separate contracts to be signed - one for the ready-made jets, and another for the rest to be built by HAL; a proposal supposedly rejected by India.

However, India’s dire need to supplement its depleting fighter aircraft fleet with multi-role fighter aircraft may be pushing it to take a less rigid stance at the negotiation table. One line of argument going around is that India would increase the order of jets to be flown in from France to 25 or 30 up from 18, until a way out has been found over technical and other issues concerning the manufacture of the remaining 90 or 100 aircraft in India.

This would give both parties about two years to get their act together given that the Dassault factory
in France can only assemble about 25-30 planes in a year of which slightly less than half is committed to the French Air Force.

While the upcoming 2014 general elections are often cited as a reason for delaying the signing of the
contract, even if negotiations do come to a completion, pressure from the Indian Air Force (IAF) may
force the government to allocate funds for the purchase even in an election year.

When asked at a press conference last week, about the depleting fleet, IAF chief NAK Browne said,
"If the MMRCA deal isn't signed, there will be a rapid decline in fighter numbers between 2017 and 2022. It is imperative that the deal is signed quickly".

“RAFALE International sees the MMRCA program as much more than a mere acquisition process. It is the opportunity to develop a large scale strategic partnership and industrial cooperation between India & France covering in-depth technological and production cooperation,” Dassault says on its Rafale India website. “The offer is also totally supported by the strong political commitment of France towards India in all fields of Defense cooperation.”

Dassault has entered into a joint venture agreement with the Anil Ambani owned Reliance Industries to manufacture aircraft spares in India, presumably as part of the offsets program.

I am posting the source of the News here, I don't want to edit that particular Post

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/9234/Dassault_Woos_India_Sensing_MMRCA_Deal_Conclusion#.UlqoR91e3Df

 

[meena24]

@ Aviation Experts
@Abingdonboy @ Sancho

Please Clarify whether we will get 25-30 Jets as suggested in the news within a span of 2-3 Years as in the News.

my Comments:

I personally believe we must ask Dassault to assemble at least 50 Jets and provide them in a fly away conditions so that IAF will able to attain full strength of 42 Squadrons by 2022.

 

[skysthelimit]

MMRCA Deal By March 2014: IAF Deputy Chief

The MMRCA fighter deal will be signed within this financial year, Air Marshal S. Sukumar, Deputy Chief of Air Staff has said today. He was speaking at the 8th International Conference on Energising Indian Aerospace Conference jointly organized by Confederation of Indian Industry, Indian Air Force & Centre for Air Power Studies in New Delhi.

Livefist: MMRCA Deal By March 2014

 

[JohnyD]

India to finalize $15 billion Rafale deal by March, Indian Air Force says

NEW DELHI: India will finalize a $15 billion deal to buy 126 Rafale fighter jets from France's Dassault Aviation by March 2014, an Indian Air Force official said on Thursday, after the deal had been held up by differences over local manufacturing.

India picked the Rafale for exclusive negotiations in January 2012 after a bidding contest against Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft, made by a consortium involving EADS, Finmeccanica and BAE Systems.

However, there were differences over the role of India's state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd in manufacturing the jets.

Air Marshal S Sukumar, deputy chief of Air staff, told an aerospace conference the deal would be signed within the current financial year, according to a statement issued by conference organizer, the Confederation of Indian Industry.

Under the deal, Dassault is expected to send 18 ready-made jets and would manufacture the rest in India. Hindustan Aeronautics will be its lead partner.

Dassault had earlier expressed doubts about the ability of the local partner to make such a sophisticated fighter. Hindustan Aeronautics has been developing a light combat aircraft since the early 1980s with no success so far.

A spokesman for Dassault declined to comment. The French company is still hoping to finalize the deal by the end of the 2013.

India's government wants to encourage Indian companies to partner with foreign suppliers to reduce its reliance on imports and boost a domestic defence industry that is dominated by underperforming public sector companies.

A separate tender to buy and build 56 military transport planes at an estimated cost of 119 billion rupees has been extended by two months, Sukumar also said. The defence ministry launched the tender in May to replace an ageing fleet of Avro jets.

The ministry had originally said the transport planes deal must be struck between a foreign supplier and an Indian private company. However, heavy industries minister Praful Patel said last week that public-sector firms already making products for the armed forces should have been allowed to take part in the bidding.

The defence ministry has said it will look into Patel's complaint, potentially delaying the tender. Many of India's foreign arms purchases run into long delays because of accusations of corruption and bureaucratic complications.

India to finalize $15 billion Rafale deal by March, Indian Air Force says - The Times of India

 

[halloweene]

Audition of french MoD by assembly

Mr. Folliot, the White Paper states that the fighter aircraft will have 225 aircraft in 2025. To achieve this will require Rafale and Mirage 2000 D renovated. The draft LPM provides control of 26 Rafale - 11 in 2014, 11 in 2015 and four in 2016. We will have to eventually replace the Mirage 2000, also does not order the 2016 does mark the end of the commands of Rafale. The text also provides for the development of the new F3R standard Rafale cause an expenditure of € 1.1 billion, which must be added 700 million for the aircraft of the future - namely the UCAV that n 'is at present at the stage of studies.

I am convinced that we will succeed and, in 2014, we know a successful export. If this was not the case would proceed to a revision in 2015.

And S. Sukumar recently stated that deal will be signed before end of fiscal year.