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Off topic but i think the F35 cost around $ 150 million a pop even after all the program cost increases ...

f-35 was never in the contest. Had it been in it, perhaps it could have had a look in. The costs of the MMRCA contendors includes the flyaway cost and upgrade packages as well as ToT and some weapon systems. F35 is costing $156 mn already just to develop at current costs. Throw in no ToT, and weapon systems are still to be finalized.

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Yeah, but an Indian special would be $300 million a pop, just because they are gullible.

COngratulations. Your first troll post on this thread false flagger.
 
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indeed.

We at Chinese forum always wonder how india can be that rich, I mean if you look, C-17 deal is followed by C-130 deal, MMRCA project and T-50 "joint" development, T-90 will be brought in at the scale of thousands, aircraft carrier and Mig-29 from Russia.

You know, this is the definitation of being rich, on the other hand, we poor Chinese build out own Y-20, improved our Y-8 now calling it Y-9, we had to keep modernize our J-10B to keep it up with your MMRCA, our J-20 project will take probably another 7-8 years to complete no "joint" helping hand, Type-99A2 is damn expensive, only hundreds will be built, our aircraft carriers are still being planned, J-15 is still a prototype.

I would say it is a huge difference & gap, india is clearly having a up hand -- poor Chinese building everything at home, indians buying from everywhere.

It is a sad state of affairs for China and it is also quite understandable that no one is willing to sell anything to,so keep the attitude to yourself and all the best.
 
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Thank you for your valuable comment..

I'm happy to shine light to enhance your understanding of the world.

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f-35 was never in the contest. Had it been in it, perhaps it could have had a look in. The costs of the MMRCA contendors includes the flyaway cost and upgrade packages as well as ToT and some weapon systems. F35 is costing $156 mn already just to develop at current costs. Throw in no ToT, and weapon systems are still to be finalized.

COngratulations. Your first troll post on this thread false flagger.

The truth hurts, huh?
 
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India fighter jet deal soars to $20bn - FT.com

Source: Financial Times

An Indian contract to buy 126 fighter jets from one of two European bidders could be worth more than $20bn, almost double the original estimate, according to government officials.

The defence ministry revised up its initial $11bn estimate after opening bids on Friday from the Eurofighter Typhoon consortium and France’s Dassault, the maker of the Rafale aircraft, a ministry official told the Financial Times.

It is just Lockheed Maritn and its agent US Government Propaganda.
 
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The truth hurts, huh?

To Whom ?

India has no plans as of now to either join the US-led joint strike fighter (JSF) programme or buy the F-35 `Lightning-II' fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) when it finally becomes operational.

"We cannot have two types of FGFA. We have already launched preliminary work for our FGFA after inking the $295 million preliminary design contract (PDC) with Russia last month,'' said a top defence ministry official on Friday.

This comes in the wake of comments made by a top Pentagon official, undersecretary of defence for acquisition, technology and logistics Ashton Carter, in Washington that the US was open to Indian participation in its JSF project.

Interestingly, the comments came during a function where an aggressive sales pitch was made for India to select either the American F/A-18 `Super Hornet' (Boeing) or F-16 ‘Falcon' (Lockheed Martin) over their European rivals in the ongoing IAF's medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) contest.

The other 4.5-generation fighters in the hotly-contested race to bag the $10.4 billion MMRCA project, under which 18 jets will be bought off-the-shelf and another 108 will be manufactured in India under transfer of technology, are Eurofighter Typhoon, Swedish Gripen (Saab), French Rafale (Dassault) and Russian MiG-35 (United Aircraft Corporation).

The IAF force matrix for the coming years revolves around the 270 Sukhoi-30MKIs contracted from Russia for around $12 billion, the 126 MMRCA and 120 indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft, apart from upgraded MiG-29s and Mirage-2000s.

In the decades ahead, the advanced stealth FGFA to be developed with Russia will be the mainstay of India's combat fleet. "Our FGFA will be cheaper than the F-35. Moreover, the intellectual property rights of the FGFA will equally and jointly vest on both India and Russia, with full access to the source code and the like,'' said another senior official.

With a potent mix of super-manoeuvrability and supersonic cruising ability, the "swing-role'' FGFA will of course not come cheap. The cost of designing, infrastructure build-up, prototype development and flight testing has been pegged at around $11 billion, with India and Russia chipping in with $5.5 billion each.

Over and above this, each of the 250-300 FGFA India hopes to begin inducting from 2020 onwards will cost around $100 million each. In all, India will spend upwards of $35 billion over the next two decades in its biggest-ever defence project till now.

The Indian FGFA will primarily be based on the single-seater Sukhoi T-50, the prototype of which is already flying in Russia, but will include a twin-seater version and a more powerful engine with greater thrust.

"Its complete design will be frozen by the end of the 18-month PDC. Six to seven of its prototypes should be flying by 2017. After that, there will be 2,500 hours of flight-testing over 25 months before the series production begins in 2019,'' he said.

Read more: http://www.****************/india-rejects-us-f-35-jsf-offer-31733/#ixzz1dI3xi8OQ
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I heard only 2 squadrons will be purchase in fly away condition and rest HAL will produce under ToT so considering HAL production speed and reputation in mind the cost will further shoot up in future by 5 Billion$ or maybe more.
 
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I heard only 2 squadrons will be purchase in fly away condition and rest HAL will produce under ToT so considering HAL production speed and reputation in mind the cost will further shoot up in future by 5 Billion$ or maybe more.
You are wrong dude!
Only a sqad will be delivered in fly away condition.
Remaining 6 squads will be produced locally, it can further bring the costs down.
 
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First batch from vendor.
Few from kits and assembled in HAL.
And subsequently all the components manufactured here locally.

:cheers:
 
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indeed.

We at Chinese forum always wonder how india can be that rich, I mean if you look, C-17 deal is followed by C-130 deal, MMRCA project and T-50 "joint" development, T-90 will be brought in at the scale of thousands, aircraft carrier and Mig-29 from Russia.

You know, this is the definitation of being rich, on the other hand, we poor Chinese build out own Y-20, improved our Y-8 now calling it Y-9, we had to keep modernize our J-10B to keep it up with your MMRCA, our J-20 project will take probably another 7-8 years to complete no "joint" helping hand, Type-99A2 is damn expensive, only hundreds will be built, our aircraft carriers are still being planned, J-15 is still a prototype.

I would say it is a huge difference & gap, india is clearly having a up hand -- poor Chinese building everything at home, indians buying from everywhere.
yeah poor chineese builidin everythin at home while those b****** russians have been copying evrything they buy frm china for the past 30 years and pitting the hard wrk of chineese scientist in ****

anyway coming back from the brief moment of trolling[for which i m srry]
i have a question for you guys
why doesnt india just scrap mmrca and go for more pakfa/fgfa
ofcourse it'll get a lot of tech and exp and weapons plus it makes for bad repu in int'l market
but shouldnt quality be priority for india as it faces a numericaly superior opponent
just my guess:flame:
 
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indeed.

We at Chinese forum always wonder how india can be that rich, I mean if you look, C-17 deal is followed by C-130 deal, MMRCA project and T-50 "joint" development, T-90 will be brought in at the scale of thousands, aircraft carrier and Mig-29 from Russia.

You know, this is the definitation of being rich, on the other hand, we poor Chinese build out own Y-20, improved our Y-8 now calling it Y-9, we had to keep modernize our J-10B to keep it up with your MMRCA, our J-20 project will take probably another 7-8 years to complete no "joint" helping hand, Type-99A2 is damn expensive, only hundreds will be built, our aircraft carriers are still being planned, J-15 is still a prototype.

I would say it is a huge difference & gap, india is clearly having a up hand -- poor Chinese building everything at home, indians buying from everywhere.

all chinese have is copied stuff...you might be getting good at it but considering recent orders for engines from russia and ukraine i doubt you are not even good at that...
 
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I think we're misinterpreting the issue. It is $11 billion for 126 aircraft WITH AN OPTION TO BUY 63 MORE. So that could come to almost $20 billion if one also takes into account the additional infrastructure required.

And the French Rafale is probably going to be the clear winner as it is much cheaper than the Typhoon and a single source product unlike the Eurofighter.
 
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