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interesting, very intersting...........sending boeing officials to wherever the apche is deployed is a very good idea it will improve the helicopters availability manyfold..........but i still have one doubt will the US transfer full technology or partial technology on apg-79,may be if they hide only the high speed processor tech,then we can use a scale the e-scan antenna for aircraft like sukhoi,mig upg, mirage upg,lca using the original processors on their original radars commonly called "plug and play"that would give us a desicive edge over the enemy.i hope nuke deal goes thru and we may have a better a chance in tot.
 
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Central Chronicle--Column

New defence policy: No to agents

Six global defence and aircraft manufacturers, who are in the race to win the lucrative bid for supply of 126 medium multi role combat (MMRC) aircraft to the Indian Air Force, have submitted a list of local vendors, from whom they would source components, systems and service in addition to offering an increased investment to revitalize India's defence and aerospace sectors in the event of winning the order.
This development, not surprisingly was in response to a new investment-friendly weapons' procurement policy unveiled by Defence Minister A.K. Antony on August 1. The policy specifically mandates that all foreign companies bidding for major Indian defence contracts worth over Rs.3,000-million will have to invest anything between 30 per cent and 50 per cent of the value of the order in the Indian defence and aerospace sectors.

Interestingly, American defence and aerospace majors, Boeing Co and Lockheed Martin have already inked contracts with a number of industrial groups and software and IT services companies to execute the offset clause forming part of the contract, in anticipation of bagging the order. "We are already establishing the ground work that will lead us to success in this large undertaking through early management of Indian industry, both in the public and private sectors" observed Boeing Integrated Defense Systems Vice President (India) Vivek Lall.

On the other hand, the Bangalore-based aeronautical and defence outfit Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) is quite bullish about the benefits flowing to it from the offset clause. According to its spokesman, "We will work with the vendors chosen by the winner." As it is, HAL will license produce 108 of the 126 combat aircraft to be acquired by India, while the 18 jets will be delivered to IAF in a flyway condition.

In the race to grab an estimated US$10-billion order for the supply of 126 combat aircraft: are Boeing's F/A-18 Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin's F-16 Falcon, Russia's Mig-35, Swedish Jas-39 from Grippen, French Dassault Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon from the British, German, Spanish and Italian firms consortium. As it is, these six defence majors had submitted their bid this April. "We will seriously examine all the bids and shortlist the companies in due course" said a spokesman of the Defence Ministry.

It was an anticipated delay in the induction of India's home-grown fourth generation, supersonic tactical fighter Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas that nudged the IAF to scout the global defence market for the procurement of the 126 combat aircraft, that would serve as the frontline fighters by replacing the aging and obsolete Mig-series of fighter jets. As things stand now, LCA Tejas is not expected to be ready for induction till early next decade.

As stated by defence ministry sources, India's new defence procurement policy (DPP-2008) not only seeks to end the "murky role of middlemen and agents" in defence deals, but also put the procurement of armaments and fighting equipment on a fast track with a clear cut focus on transparency at every stage. As New Delhi-based defence analysts point out, in the backdrop of India's emergence as a major and lucrative defence market, with plans to spend up to US$50-billion on the import of defence hardware and equipment over the next five years, the need for a comprehensive well-drafted defence purchase policy has become all the more pronounced.

Till recently, India's defence procurement scenario was under the vicious influence of middlemen, whose questionable role had resulted in the cancellation of a couple of recent military procurement deals. Against this backdrop Antony has made it clear that "we will not allow middlemen in defence deals". And, according to the Ministry spokesman, "as per the new policy, armament companies will have to sign integrity pacts to ensure that no unethical means will be employed to bag these deals".

The new policy also lays stress on enhancing the transparency of technical trials in addition to easing licensing conditions for India's private sector companies to participate in defence production and promoting joint ventures. More importantly, DPP-2008 also facilitates the concept such as "offset banking". As part of this concept, foreign vendors accumulate offset credits for two years preceding the award of a contract. However, the policy also makes it clear that offsets can be banked after getting due permission from the Government, which will examine all aspects of offset banking proposals to ensure that they are advantageous to our defence sector.

In particular, DPP-2008 promises the defence vendors advance information on procurement before floating tenders. Further, it seeks to enhance the financial powers of the Army, Navy and Air Force headquarters. Similarly, as per this policy foreign companies will be allowed to park funds in banks in anticipation of future contracts so that they need not have to manage money for the offset policy when the deal is finalized. But then this DPP makes it clear that the offset will be direct in that it will be allowed only in the defence arena. "The offset policy will be fine-tuned and allowing indirect offset is unlikely, since the Defence Ministry is extremely keen to build the indigenous sector," explains its spokesman.

"The new DPP will hasten indigenization by helping defence public sector units, the Defence Research and Development Orgnisation (DRDO0 and private industry to enter into a joint venture with foreign arms' suppliers," observes Antony. As he stated, the ultimate aim is to reduce India's dependence on foreign arms' supplies and to "ensure that our armed forces will be able to speedily procure world-class equipment from indigenous or foreign sources".

The Defence Minister also stressed the point that a strong and resurgent domestic defence industry, both in the public and private sector, could contribute to meeting the growing needs of the defence forces in a big way. The current policy encourages private participation in the defence production scenario. It also allows 28 per cent FDI in the Indian defence sector. According to Ministry sources, in the new procurement policy "suitable amendments have been effected to pave the way for speedier procurement of weapons, systems and platforms while enhancing transparency at the same time".

Importantly, Antony sees a vastly enhanced role for the local private industry in the country's defence production matrix. "It should be our endeavour to achieve the maximum synergy between defence public and private sectors, in order to create a competitive defence technology edge and strengthen the industry itself." He also expressed the view that DPP-2008 will promote indigenization and encourage wider representation of the industry on panels doing technical evaluation of indigenously designed military platforms.

Recall, till 2001, entry of private sector into India's production sector was barred. It was only after the Vijay Kelkar Committee recommended that private firms be allowed to participate in the production of arms and defence equipment that led to the opening up of the sector in a phased manner to private participation. Today, a number of Indian private entities including Tata Power, Larsen and Toubro, Mahindra and Mahindra, Kirloskar Group and Wipro have all unveiled their plans to enter the defence sector in a big way. "The role of private players has largely been at the sub contract level. Now the second step for them is to reach the sub assembly level and that will take time", says HAL Chairman Ashok.K.Baweja. A beginning has been made.

Radhakrishna Rao, -INFA
 
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By Siva Govindasamy

Indian companies are reaping rich rewards from the country's military modernisation programme, with the private sector increasingly competing with established players like Hindustan Aeronautics for highly lucrative contracts in the coming years.

Foreign companies must reinvest 30-50% of the value of the contracts in India, and air force deals alone could result in an estimated $15-20 billion in offsets over the next decade.

"The government is keen to acquire the latest technology and benefit the local economy through these contracts," says an Indian observer.

BIGGEST PRIZE

The biggest deal is a $10-12 billion multirole combat aircraft competition, in which the successful bidder faces a 50% offset requirement.

The Boeing F/A-18E/F, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16, the RSK MiG-35 and Saab Gripen are all in the fray for the 126-aircraft deal.

New Delhi is also keen to buy 197 military light utility helicopters for $750 million and 22 attack helicopters for $500 million, has ordered six Lockheed C-130J transports, and will imminently confirm deals for the Boeing P-8I Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft and 80 new Mil Mi-17-IV multirole helicopters.

HAL, which has had more success with licence-production than the development of its own aircraft, will continue to benefit, say observers. It will manufacture 108 of the fighters that India orders under the MRCA competition, making it a key partner for the bidders. Last year, it also signed a deal with Boeing that could see the US company outsource around $1 billion worth of manufacturing work over 10 years.

Its orderbooks are heavy with the licence-production of the BAE Systems Hawk advanced jet trainer and Sukhoi Su-30 fighter, and it will work with Russia on a medium transport aircraft and fifth-generation fighter. "HAL is the only company in India with dedicated aircraft manufacturing facilities, and so it is the logical partner for most aerospace companies," says the New Delhi-based source.

PRIVATE CHALLENGERS

HAL faces a challenge from private companies, after India issued licences to companies such as Tata Group and Larsen & Toubro to produce defence items. Software houses such as Infotech and Wipro are also keen to build their defence business.

After being limited to supplying raw materials, components or design technology for many years, these companies are looking for a bigger share of the pie.

Tata, with its experience in manufacturing and engineering, is the likeliest challenger to HAL as a lead systems integrator. In May, it signed a deal with Israel Aerospace Industries to develop and produce a range of military products. It has also signed agreements with Boeing and EADS.

"It will not be surprising if Tata outbids some of the established government-owned companies on its way to securing some big-ticket contracts from the MoD," says Laxman Kumar Behera, an associate fellow at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses in New Delhi.

L&T will also partner foreign companies in the MRCA competition, and has been working with the Defence Research and Development Organisation for several years on new defence products. The opening up of the defence sector will primarily benefit its heavy engineering division, which has "good prospects in the short to medium term", adds the company. It has constructed a new strategic systems complex to integrate and test weapon systems, sensors and engineering systems, and is setting up a precision manufacturing facility for defence products.

Given the emergence of India's IT industry, it is no surprise that Wipro, India's third largest software company, looks to get in on the act. It is setting up units for electronic warfare systems, radars, flight-control systems, flight simulators and engine systems for companies like BAE Systems, Lockheed and Northrop Grumman.

"Revenues from defence are small, but the big revenues will start flowing from the middle to the end of 2009," says Sudip Nandy, chief executive of telecom and product engineering services at Wipro.


India set for offset bounty
 
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Hey do we have ANY timeframe on this deal at all yet?

Time line according to air chief interview the trials will begin by next january and then the recommendations will be given (no time lines mentioned about the time table of testing). After then see how much time bureaucracy need to complete the deal.
 
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I think this is directing towards....
Boeing eyeing $20 billion Indian defence aircraft orders

25 September 2008

New Delhi: Boeing's Indian arm has outlined plans to make a $20 billion bid for Indian defence aircraft orders in India over the coming 10 years.

In a statement to Indian media, Boeing India president Ian Thomas said that Boeing's market outlook for India includes bidding for $20 billion worth defence aircrafts in the next 10 years. Boeing has bid for the F-18 Super Hornet for the Indian Air Force's contract for 126 medium, multi role combat aircraft (MMRCA).

Thomas also said that Boeing was also interested in the 1001 passenger and freighter aircraft that Boeing estimates India will need over the next 20 years.

Boeing is also in talks with the ministry of defence for the supply of maritime surveillance aircraft, the P8I, and is also looking for a piece of the action on orders for 1001 commercial airplanes worth over $105 billion that India will need over the next 20 years.

Boeing had earlier said that it would partner with Computational Research Laboratory (CRL), a subsidiary of the Tata Group, to test and validate one of the world's fastest supercomputers, the Indian-made Eka system.

''The Eka system is the fourth fastest supercomputer in the world and the fastest in Asia as rated by the International Conference for High Performance Computing Networking Storage and Analysis and will be used by CRL to run a programme that will model high lift aerodynamic simulations in three dimensions for Boeing,'' said a company statement.

Boeing and Tata Industries have also agreed to form a joint-venture company that is initially expected to handle more than $500 million of defence-related aerospace component work in India for export to Boeing and its international customers. (see: Boeing, Tata Industries JV to target domestic and international defence contract work)


domain-b.com : Boeing eyeing $20 billion Indian defence aircraft orders
 
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The Hindu : National : “MiG will win battle for tender”

“MiG will win battle for tender”

Sandeep Dikshit
NEW DELHI: United Aircraft Corporation chief Alexey Fedorov has said that he expected the MiG-35 to win the multi-billion tender for multi-role combat aircraft on the strength of Russia’s record of transferring technology.

Admitting that competition was very tough since the crème de la crème of the aviation industry was participating in the Indian Air Force’s tender for 126 fighter aircraft estimated at over $10 billions, Mr. Fedorov said, “We may win because of the long-term advantage of transferring know-how to India.”

Heading the UAC — a conglomerate of major Russian aviation companies, including Sukhoi, Illyushin, Tupolov and Irkut — Mr. Fedorov pointed out that Russia had in the past transferred technology of military fighters such as MiG-21, MiG-27 and Sukhoi-30 MKI. “I am sure no one would be able to transfer such intellectual know-how as Russia. Besides, another advantageous factor is that the adaptability of MiG-35 to all maintenance centres in the territory of India can be much easier,” he told journalists here.
 
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MiG-35 has edge over rivals in Indian fighter tender: Official3 Oct, 2008, 1931 hrs IST, PTI

MOSCOW: The MiG-35 fighters offered to India by Russia under New Delhi's USD 10 billion global tender for acquisition of 126 medium multi-role jets
has an edge over rivals including US F-16s and F-18s, a top aviation industry official here claimed.

"The competition is very tough, but we have several trump cards - MiG-35's superb performance characteristics and the fact that Russia and India share a long-standing partnership in strategic and political cooperation," President of United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Alexei Fedorov told reporters after his recent India visit with Russian Defence Minister.

He said the UAC is optimistic about MiG-35 winning the race as an advanced version of MiG-29 Fulcrum fighter in service with the Indian Air Force.

Six major aircraft makers - Lockheed and Boeing from the US with F-16 and F-18, Russia's MiG, France's Dassault, Sweden's SAAB and EADS, a consortium of British, German, Spanish and Italian companies with Eurofighter -- are in the race for the USD 10 billion deal.

"So far, none of the participants has met the demands of the tender put forward by the Indian Air Force," Fedorov said adding that due to its flying characteristics MiG-35 has an edge over its rivals.

"Secondly, we have a very long history of our relationship of not only supply of readymade planes but also their licensed production in India. In case of MiG-35's victory, the Indian side would have to spend much less amount for the creation of infrastructure for the use, maintenance and servicing of this aircraft," he underscored.

Fedorov, who was in charge of Indo-Russian Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighter development and production deal, believes that in defence cooperation the 'level of political trust' is highly important. "We have a very close bilateral political and economic ties and this is our third advantage." MiG-35 has edge over rivals in Indian fighter tender: Official- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times
 
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Indian Air Force MRCA Deal to be Finalized Very Soon: Air Chief Marshal Fali Major
Dated 4/10/2008


India said on Friday it was gearing up to seal military contracts worth billions of dollars including a massive fighter jet deal which has prompted a dogfight among global aeronautical giants.

India's move to buy 126 fighter jets worth 12 billion dollars was in its final stages with evaluations of six shortlisted aircraft set to begin next year, Air Chief Marshal Fali Major told a news conference. "A number of projects now are reaching a conclusion," Major said in New Delhi, referring to contracts due to be awarded. "The Indian air force is in a state of transformation and we are on the way to modernization," he said.

US-based Boeing and Lockheed Martin, Russian MiG, Sweden's Saab and French Dassault are vying for the world's richest fighter jet deal in 15 years.
Industry sources said Lockheed Martin's F-16 or Boeing's Super Hornet have already emerged as front runners.


The military official's statements came a day after the US Senate endorsed a US-India nuclear deal, removing all hurdles for the resumption of civilian nuclear trade between the two countries after more than three decades.

Experts say the deal will also open doors for the military to buy technology which had been banned for export to India after the US slapped sanctions on the country following its 1998 nuclear weapons tests. US defence contractors have been lobbying hard to secure deals with India. Major's comments came less than a week after India and its main arms exporter Russia extended their military ties by 10 years with the sale of 347 tanks and talks on collaboration on a fifth-generation fighter jet.

Most of the big-ticket hardware from countries including Britain, France, Israel, Russia and the United States is destined for the technology-hungry air force. "The Indian air force needs the capability to support India's resurgent growth and so we are phasing out old equipment with new hardware," Major said.
The air force will also buy six Hercules transport planes from Lockheed Martin for 968 million dollars and will begin final talks for six air-to-air refuelling planes with either Airbus or the Russians this month, Major said.

The first of two Israeli Phalcon Airborne Warning and Control System radar systems worth 1.1 billion dollars would reach India in January, other officials said. Major, meanwhile, also said India had begun upgrading its military installations and airbases on the border with China to counter any possible threat from its giant Asian neighbour.

"A comprehensive infrastructure development programme has been undertaken in the northeast where roads and advanced landing grounds are being beefed up," he said. "By 2009 we would have our Sukhoi-30 multi-role fighter jets deployed on the eastern sector," Major said as other officials said military engineers were working at high speed to fortify the Sino-Indian border.

The Indian military says China has also built strategic roads and air fields close to disputed frontier regions. The two populous countries which have fought a brief but a bitter border war in 1962 still have territorial disputes that not been resolved despite 13 rounds of high-level talks.


Indian Air Force MRCA Deal to be Finalized Very Soon: Air Chief Marshal Fali Major | India Defence
 
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Seems like after the nuclear deal the balance is shifting towards the Super hornet. But let us see what other contenders come up with.
 
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Seems like after the nuclear deal the balance is shifting towards the Super hornet. But let us see what other contenders come up with.

It does look like it, by the way, which does India prefer? the Falcon or the super bug? The former leads to a possible F-35 future deal.
 
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It does look like it, by the way, which does India prefer? the Falcon or the super bug? The former leads to a possible F-35 future deal.

The whole thing depends upon the level of Tot offered. Which one gives more will be the winner. But IAF recommendation also matters here. Between super bug and falcon hmmm difficult choice.
 
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There is alot more at stake then just 126 fighters. Switching from Russian to non Russian weapon system might bring some short term roblems for the IAF. What if Russian increase the price for the spares they are selling and also start delaying the delivery of the parts.
Then you shall have to induct a new technology and inventory. One needs time to absorb new systems. In retaliation for not getting the contract what if Russia offers fighters to Pakistan.
In short a lot may be at stake then just the order. Lets wait and see.
 
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There is alot more at stake then just 126 fighters. Switching from Russian to non Russian weapon system might bring some short term roblems for the IAF. What if Russian increase the price for the spares they are selling and also start delaying the delivery of the parts.
Then you shall have to induct a new technology and inventory. One needs time to absorb new systems. In retaliation for not getting the contract what if Russia offers fighters to Pakistan.
In short a lot may be at stake then just the order. Lets wait and see.

Now ezaz these are just talking in air simply without having any logic behind it. Why they will increase the price of the things. Just because they lost in some competition? Well i don't think so. Because PAK FA is also in line. Well if russia offers fighters to pakistan. Well good, if you can buy buy it.

Regarding the induction and inventory. Well that needs to be done. But it is justified for this huge numbers.
 
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