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Agree with you seems like rafale is going to be the winner as the engine can be kept the same apart from that they are agreeing for the ToT portion. Somehow I feel that the writing is on the wall (MRCA tender came up because of delay in purchasing the mirages IAF love mirage so may be they have tilt towards the rafale too)
 
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outlookindia.com | wired

On the 126 fighter jets, he said that the technical evaluation was coming to an end and IAF expected to wrap up the work in a month or so. The IAF expected flight evaluation to take place early next year, he said.
 
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Does this mean doors are opening for PAF to acquire Russian fighters.:lol:
 
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Does this mean doors are opening for PAF to acquire Russian fighters.:lol:

I hadn't got your logic but according to your ACM interview there is no plan for any other except JF 17 and J 10 and some f 16 for fighters (Posted by fatman sir)
 
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We should go with Rafale. We can license build the AESA, airframe and also incorporate the kaveri engine into the rafale. It would make us less dependent on the french for spare parts. The use of composite materials also helps us in maintaining the craft easily.

Hmmm yes maybe you can make it smaller and shorter too? Or is this just wishful thinking?the KAveri is underpowered for light aircraft and now you want it for the Rafale?MAybe you want to buy a Ferrari and put a Tractor engine in there too?
The more you speak the less I realise you know.
 
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Hmmm yes maybe you can make it smaller and shorter too? Or is this just wishful thinking?the KAveri is underpowered for light aircraft and now you want it for the Rafale?MAybe you want to buy a Ferrari and put a Tractor engine in there too?
The more you speak the less I realise you know.
Key you twisted the whole thing like anything :). He said that kaveri snecma JV engine to be used as common for both rafale and LCA
 
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Key you twisted the whole thing like anything :). He said that kaveri snecma JV engine to be used as common for both rafale and LCA

The JV engine would be for the LCA. A TOTALLY different airframe. its a different matter sticking it into a twin engine aircraft. One or the other would have to be redesigned. EITHER way it would entail FURTHER delays.

Oh and having seen the guy lecture veteran fighter pilots on ACM his credentials are not high.
 
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The JV engine would be for the LCA. A TOTALLY different airframe. its a different matter sticking it into a twin engine aircraft. One or the other would have to be redesigned.

The engine that initially powered the RAFALE was the GE F-404, similar to the one being flown on the LCA. The Kaveri with a few aditional modifications can be used on the Rafale. Anyways, Rafale and LCA have a delta wing config making it more similar than different as you claim.

EITHER way it would entail FURTHER delays.

It will be a good 5 years before we actually see the MRCA fighters being inducted. By then Kaveri will be ready.


Oh and having seen the guy lecture veteran fighter pilots on ACM his credentials are not high.

Go read up on the posts. They are twisting whatever I say and giving a completely different picture compared to my views.
 
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domain-b.com : Dassault Aviation and Tata Technologies sign MoU for MMRCA offsets

Dassault Aviation and Tata Technologies sign MoU for MMRCA offsets

London, Pune, India and Detroit: Dassault Aviation and INCAT's parent company, Tata Technologies, have signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for Engineering Services Outsourcing (ESO), services. Under the terms of the MoU, INCAT will provide Dassault Aviation with engineering services in a number of critical domains in support of the Indian Air Force's 126 fighter multi-role medium range combat aircraft (MMRCA) programme.

The programme involves significant industrial offset requirements, up to 50 per cent.

Image: Dassault AviationWhile the bulk of the services will be delivered mostly from the recently established joint venture INCAT HAL Aerostructures Ltd (IHAL) and its dedicated aerospace ESO centre in Bangalore, some others will be supplied through INCAT's delivery teams in France and the US.

The joint venture will be the Preferred Delivery Centre for both organizations with both HAL and Tata Technologies 50 per cent partners in the venture.

M. Fakruddin, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd's, director, corporate planning and marketing, said "the objective of this joint venture is to undertake work packages related to engineering design services in aerostructures, and also the captive offshore and on-site work load of both partners from aerospace OEMs, including offset programmes."

Founded in 1989, INCAT is a Tata Technologies company providing services in product lifecycle management, enterprise resource management and application development and maintenance.

The company is headquartered in Novi, Michigan, Pune and Stuttgart.

The agreement testifies INCAT's expertise in the aerospace market. Eric Trappier, executive vice-president international of Dassault Aviation says: "It is essential to find partners with the right expertise and experience in both aerospace engineering and working in India. INCAT and Tata Technologies have proven credentials in both these areas."

Lokesh Srivastava, CEO of IHAL, comments: "This MoU marks a significant milestone since the formation of IHAL and is a sure sign of the solid demand for our services."

As for Dassault Aviation it has delivered more than 7500 civil and military aircraft to 75 countries logging some 20 million flight hours to date over the past sixty years

Dassault Aviation's association with India is itself half a century old. From the Toofani fighters supplied in the 1950's to the Mystere IV, the Jaguar manufactured under licence by HAL, to the Mirage 2000 it has been a rich relationship.
 
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Does that mean Rafale has been selected or all the vendors have to sign a MoU on Offsets even before participating in flight evaluations. I'm confused.
 
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Does that mean Rafale has been selected or all the vendors have to sign a MoU on Offsets even before participating in flight evaluations. I'm confused.

Even Boeing has signed a similar contract in case if they win. The technical evaluation is over and field trials have to begin by next 1-2 months. Then IAF will submit it's preference and then the negotiation committee will give the final clearance.
 
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IAF MRCA Deal: Dassault Seeks "Level Playing Field" with Boeing, MiG, Lockheed Martin
Dated 6/11/2008


French aviation major Dassault, whose Rafale fighter is one of the six aircraft in the fray for a $10 billion Indian Air Force (IAF) order for 126 combat jets, has sought a level playing field in the competition, saying two sets of mismatched planes are in the fray and that it does not want to lose out on this count.

'The Rafale, as a twin-engine aircraft, is a heavier jet and is in the same class as the (Boeing) F/A-18 Super Hornet and the (Eurofighter) Typhoon. The other three aircraft are in the lighter variety' J.P.H.P. Chabriol, Dassault Aviation's senior vice president for military sales, told a group of visiting Indian journalists at the company’s headquarters here.

'The IAF’s RFP (request for proposal), in the first analysis, in terms of performance, is not extremely demanding. We don’t want a situation where the other three aircraft are compliant with the RFP but we lose out on the price differential,' Chabriol added.

'The IAF has to decide whether it wants a heavy aircraft or a light aircraft,' he contended.

The other aircraft in the fray are the Lockheed Martin F-16, the Saab Grippen and the MiG-35. The first two are single-engine aircraft while the third has a twin power plant but is considered a lighter jet since it is essentially an upgraded version of the MiG-29 that the IAF currently operates.

What concerned Chabriol was that the price of the jet would depend on whether a light or a heavy aircraft got the IAF nod.

‘Quite obviously, there would be a price differential if a single or a twin-engine jet is chosen. If India takes the L-1 (lowest tender) route this would be unfair because we have a good product but this quality comes at a price,’ he maintained.

In this context, Chabriol noted that Dassault had made an ‘unsolicited offer’ for selling 40 Rafale aircraft to India, an indication that the company would not be too disappointed if it did not win the larger order.

‘We have had a presence in India since independence (in 1947) The first jet that the IAF flew was the Toofani, followed by the Mystere and the Mirage-2000 (that entered squadron service in the 1980s). Then, your navy has flown the Alize. The Rafale would be the logical next step,’ he pointed out.

'Three of your former air chiefs (Air Chief Marshals A.Y. Tipnis, S. Krishnaswamy and S.P. Tyagi) have flown the Rafale and certified it to be a good aircraft. There is no reason why we should not get the order,' Chabriol contended.

Dassault is the prime contractor for the Rafale, which is currently in operation with the French Navy and the French Air Force. It has also entered into collaborations with a number of French companies to supply various systems for the aircraft. Primary among these companies are electronics major Thales, which has supplied 90 percent of the optronics for the fighter, and Snecma, which supplies the engines.

In addition, the company has floated Rafale International to co-market the aircraft.

The IAF had floated its global tender for the jets in September 2007 and these were opened earlier this year. The technical bids are currently being evaluated after which all the six aircraft will be put through a rigorous testing process in Bangalore, Jaisalmer and Leh.

The first is meant to gauge the aircraft's ability to operate in the humid conditions of south, the second their effectiveness in the deserts of Rajasthan and the third to study their suitability in the icy Himalayan heights of Ladakh in Jammu and Kashmir.

By the time the evaluation process is complete, the size of the order is likely to rise to around 200 jets, as the IAF, which is down to 32 squadrons from a high of 39 1/2, is expected to see a further depletion of its fleet due to the retirement of some its ageing Soviet-era MiG-21 aircraft. The IAF has a sanctioned strength of 45 squadrons.

IAF MRCA Deal: Dassault Seeks "Level Playing Field" with Boeing, MiG, Lockheed Martin | India Defence
 
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Kinda old news, but it's just making right noises now. They have already said they will give full ToT for rafale.
 
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