Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[INDIAPOSITIVE]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547799042905690118

 

[BON PLAN]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547799042905690118

All delivered, but the last remains in France for some tests.
It is the information I have. Maybe in the mean time the last is going to India...

 

[Black Tornado]

All delivered, but the last remains in France for some tests.
It is the information I have. Maybe in the mean time the last is going to India...

Sad that dumb MoD kept on sleeping while Rafales were getting sold out to other countries, hope that domestic production of 114 Rafales begin soon. Also if possible those 50 aircrafts for aircraft carriers should also be Rafales to bring commonality.

 

[Super Falcon]

One hell of a machine will boost Iaf capability

 

[Blue Marlin]

36 for large country like india is peanuts, even if your splitting them 18 in the east and 18 in the west........

 

[Two banks of the River]

36 for large country like india is peanuts, even if your splitting them 18 in the east and 18 in the west........

Less than peanuts. Totally agreed.

 

[BON PLAN]

"in term of performances, Rafale smokes F35 in all area..."

 

[Princeps Senatus]

"in term of performances, Rafale smokes F35 in all area..."

 

[SQ8]

"in term of performances, Rafale smokes F35 in all area..."

Sure - once it can get close enough and both are down to guns.
In terms of sensors, emissions, low visibility and net centricity - the Rafale doesn’t stand a chance against a F-35.

Just a clickbait video similar to how that “Rafale beats F-22” video came out just so the French can puff their chests up

 

[dbc]

Sure - once it can get close enough and both are down to guns.
In terms of sensors, emissions, low visibility and net centricity - the Rafale doesn’t stand a chance against a F-35.

Just a clickbait video similar to how that “Rafale beats F-22” video came out just so the French can puff their chests up

Lt Col Ian Knight Royal Netherlands Air Force Knight divulged a little more information about flying basic fighter maneuvers (BFM) in an F-35. ‘When our envelope was cleared to practise BFM we got the opportunity to fight some fourthgeneration fighters. Remember, back then the rumors were that the F-35 was a pig. The first time the opponents showed up [in the training area] they had wing tanks along with a bunch of missiles. I guess they figured that being in a dirty configuration wouldn’t really matter and that they would still easily outmaneuver us. By the end of the week, though, they had dropped their wing tanks, transitioned to a single centerline fuel tank and were still doing everything they could not to get gunned by us. A week later they stripped the jets clean of all external stores, which made the BFM fights interesting, to say the least…

OUT OF THE SHADOWS

The Royal Netherlands Air Force has been flying a pair of F-35As...

www.key.aero

 

[SQ8]

Lt Col Ian Knight Royal Netherlands Air Force Knight divulged a little more information about flying basic fighter maneuvers (BFM) in an F-35. ‘When our envelope was cleared to practise BFM we got the opportunity to fight some fourthgeneration fighters. Remember, back then the rumors were that the F-35 was a pig. The first time the opponents showed up [in the training area] they had wing tanks along with a bunch of missiles. I guess they figured that being in a dirty configuration wouldn’t really matter and that they would still easily outmaneuver us. By the end of the week, though, they had dropped their wing tanks, transitioned to a single centerline fuel tank and were still doing everything they could not to get gunned by us. A week later they stripped the jets clean of all external stores, which made the BFM fights interesting, to say the least…

OUT OF THE SHADOWS

The Royal Netherlands Air Force has been flying a pair of F-35As...

www.key.aero

Not knowing what aircraft they were up against the clean nature of the F-35(and most LO aircraft) means they have less drag on them of all sorts.

But the F-35 isn’t a slouch as is assumed either. Not to derail this further but a clean F-35 vs a clean Rafale would be an interesting fight but right now the F-35 pilot is the only one whose helmet will not just be point him to where the Rafale is and track the Rafale 360 degrees; but if the Rafale goes in a visually obscured area of the F-35 the helmet will project the image of where the Rafale is so the F-35 pilot can look at the floor and still “see” the Rafale in full color

 

[BON PLAN]

In terms of sensors, emissions, low visibility and net centricity - the Rafale doesn’t stand a chance against a F-35.

Sensor? Rafale AESA radar was judged good enough by UAE. So good that they didn't inked a F35 deal.

Emissions? hum hum.... F35 is so hot it has to open its internal bays every 15 minutes. And unable to supercruise despite a 12T dry engine means it is shape as a sugar piece : absolutely not good for IR stealth.

Low visibility? In X band sure. in low band all fighters are visible. In IR trace : F35 is a candle in the sky.

Net centricity : probably. Just wait the Rafale F4.

Lt Col Ian Knight Royal Netherlands Air Force Knight divulged a little more information about flying basic fighter maneuvers (BFM) in an F-35. ‘When our envelope was cleared to practise BFM we got the opportunity to fight some fourthgeneration fighters. Remember, back then the rumors were that the F-35 was a pig. The first time the opponents showed up [in the training area] they had wing tanks along with a bunch of missiles. I guess they figured that being in a dirty configuration wouldn’t really matter and that they would still easily outmaneuver us. By the end of the week, though, they had dropped their wing tanks, transitioned to a single centerline fuel tank and were still doing everything they could not to get gunned by us. A week later they stripped the jets clean of all external stores, which made the BFM fights interesting, to say the least…

OUT OF THE SHADOWS

The Royal Netherlands Air Force has been flying a pair of F-35As...

www.key.aero

What kind of "4th gen" fighters?
Kfir? SH18? M2000?

Note that 5th gen is a LM marketing definition, released with the F22.
5th gen was : stealthy, F16 like agile, Sensor fusion, Supercruise. F35 is short on some.

 

[BON PLAN]

Not knowing what aircraft they were up against the clean nature of the F-35(and most LO aircraft) means they have less drag on them of all sorts.

But the F-35 isn’t a slouch as is assumed either. Not to derail this further but a clean F-35 vs a clean Rafale would be an interesting fight but right now the F-35 pilot is the only one whose helmet will not just be point him to where the Rafale is and track the Rafale 360 degrees; but if the Rafale goes in a visually obscured area of the F-35 the helmet will project the image of where the Rafale is so the F-35 pilot can look at the floor and still “see” the Rafale in full color

Rafale is fitted with a helmet also.
Qatar ones were the first equipped, in 2017.....

 

[SQ8]

Sensor? Rafale AESA radar was judged good enough by UAE. So good that they didn't inked a F35 deal.

Emissions? hum hum.... F35 is so hot it has to open its internal bays every 15 minutes. And unable to supercruise despite a 12T dry engine means it is shape as a sugar piece : absolutely not good for IR stealth.

Low visibility? In X band sure. in low band all fighters are visible. In IR trace : F35 is a candle in the sky.

Net centricity : probably. Just wait the Rafale F4.


What kind of "4th gen" fighters?
Kfir? SH18? M2000?

Note that 5th gen is a LM marketing definition, released with the F22.
5th gen was : stealthy, F16 like agile, Sensor fusion, Supercruise. F35 is short on some.

No, they inked it because the capabilities they wanted with the F-35 weren’t available for the price quoted - good enough doesn’t mean it is better.

The second part has no reference or proof - open every 15 minutes? What source are you quoting?

Again, baseless self aggrandizing conjecture from your end and nothing else

Rafale is fitted with a helmet also.
Qatar ones were the first equipped, in 2017.....

So is a Mig-29
But there is a big difference in helmet capabilities - don’t try to hide behind generalized statements

 

[Wesen Hunter]

Rafale is great but F-35 is better.